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What a bunch of Hypocrites
Here we have the GMA and ex CP777 openly boasting about renting for the full housing allowance (68K ++) off a shelf company they own whilst at the same time the company goes and sacks two senior F/O's one who is renting and the other with a mortgage. Just unbelievable!!
When will the company get over this whole housing fiasco and just let the pilots get on with their jobs without fear and intimidation? Surely since this is paid as a cash allowance, taxed as a cash allowance it sould be just that, a CASH allowance.
To go and fire two pilots with a new born and a two year old right before christmas, both with good flying records for how they live their lives after they hang up their uniforms is just outragous.
You may try and control every facet of our professional lives but for god sake leave pilots personal lives out of it.
Fed Up
Here we have the GMA and ex CP777 openly boasting about renting for the full housing allowance (68K ++) off a shelf company they own whilst at the same time the company goes and sacks two senior F/O's one who is renting and the other with a mortgage. Just unbelievable!!
When will the company get over this whole housing fiasco and just let the pilots get on with their jobs without fear and intimidation? Surely since this is paid as a cash allowance, taxed as a cash allowance it sould be just that, a CASH allowance.
To go and fire two pilots with a new born and a two year old right before christmas, both with good flying records for how they live their lives after they hang up their uniforms is just outragous.
You may try and control every facet of our professional lives but for god sake leave pilots personal lives out of it.
Fed Up
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To go back to the main debate:
"Eligible employees who own a residential accommodation in Hong Kong for self-occupation are considered as home owner-occupiers. They are eligible for housing assistance under the specified terms and conditions.......will form part of the employees’ total taxable income."
Back in the real world the practice of purchasing a property that you don't live in, and to rent it out for personal gain might be considered 'fraudulent' under CX policy. This behaviour would perhaps be classified akin to gross misconduct, rather than - There, there, you didn't understand all the big words like "owner-occupiers", so we'll let you off. Get real!
"Eligible employees who own a residential accommodation in Hong Kong for self-occupation are considered as home owner-occupiers. They are eligible for housing assistance under the specified terms and conditions.......will form part of the employees’ total taxable income."
Back in the real world the practice of purchasing a property that you don't live in, and to rent it out for personal gain might be considered 'fraudulent' under CX policy. This behaviour would perhaps be classified akin to gross misconduct, rather than - There, there, you didn't understand all the big words like "owner-occupiers", so we'll let you off. Get real!
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N1 Vibes, i dont really get your gist, she NEVER rented a property out that CX was paying for, she just chose to spend most of her time with her boyfriend whilst maintain some sort of security for herself
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I've just flown with friends of the sacked FO's
They were warned around a year ago through a letter to all crew from the GMA regarding this exact situation "not being acceptable and any person doing it could face the sack" ( or words to those effect ). They chose to ignore it saying "it doesn't effect us"
They lived together and had a family together.( as proved by a private investigator the company hired )
I believe the male FO rented a place which CX paid for, in which they all lived.
The female bought a place which CX paid the mortgage on, then they rented it out. tripple dipping it seems?
I feel really sorry for them being sacked, maybe a bit harsh? They could have paid the money back as in another case earlier.
But they were warned by the GMA and their friends but chose to keep there heads in the sand.
I hope they get atleast one job back on appeal.
Good luck to them
Cheers.
They were warned around a year ago through a letter to all crew from the GMA regarding this exact situation "not being acceptable and any person doing it could face the sack" ( or words to those effect ). They chose to ignore it saying "it doesn't effect us"
They lived together and had a family together.( as proved by a private investigator the company hired )
I believe the male FO rented a place which CX paid for, in which they all lived.
The female bought a place which CX paid the mortgage on, then they rented it out. tripple dipping it seems?
I feel really sorry for them being sacked, maybe a bit harsh? They could have paid the money back as in another case earlier.
But they were warned by the GMA and their friends but chose to keep there heads in the sand.
I hope they get atleast one job back on appeal.
Good luck to them
Cheers.
I guess this guy and his 3 colleagues must all be wrong. My mistake!
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N1 Vibes, You know what the CX rumour mill is like!!, but I can tell you with absolute certainty that she never rented her place out whilst CX was paying for it. As I mentioned earlier she was never even accused of that by management.
If she did, like you I would have no sympathy, but she didnt so lets put that rumour to rest
If she did, like you I would have no sympathy, but she didnt so lets put that rumour to rest
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What a bunch of Hypocrites
Here we have the GMA and ex CP777 openly boasting about renting for the full housing allowance (68K ++) off a shelf company they own whilst at the same time the company goes and sacks two senior F/O's one who is renting and the other with a mortgage. Just unbelievable!!
When will the company get over this whole housing fiasco and just let the pilots get on with their jobs without fear and intimidation? Surely since this is paid as a cash allowance, taxed as a cash allowance it sould be just that, a CASH allowance.
To go and fire two pilots with a new born and a two year old right before christmas, both with good flying records for how they live their lives after they hang up their uniforms is just outragous.
You may try and control every facet of our professional lives but for god sake leave pilots personal lives out of it.
Fed Up
Here we have the GMA and ex CP777 openly boasting about renting for the full housing allowance (68K ++) off a shelf company they own whilst at the same time the company goes and sacks two senior F/O's one who is renting and the other with a mortgage. Just unbelievable!!
When will the company get over this whole housing fiasco and just let the pilots get on with their jobs without fear and intimidation? Surely since this is paid as a cash allowance, taxed as a cash allowance it sould be just that, a CASH allowance.
To go and fire two pilots with a new born and a two year old right before christmas, both with good flying records for how they live their lives after they hang up their uniforms is just outragous.
You may try and control every facet of our professional lives but for god sake leave pilots personal lives out of it.
Fed Up
They will be better off ultimately. I just hope that any future prospective employers realise being sacked by CX should be a badge of honor; this place never ceases to amaze me. Bravo! What do you do for an encore... on second thought, forget I asked!
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"Worlds Most Admired Airline"
Achievements for 2006
No profit share
2 * Female pilots sacked after their second pregnancy
1 * attempted suicide after a line check with MFL
25 * US pilots resigned to go back to US carriers
A couple fired for having kids without CX approva
Another South African married couple leaving because of CX intrusion in their personal lives
Un-Lawfull dismissal declared by "the House of Lords"
And only five years ago sacked 49 guys for "no particular reason"
Whats next
"Nick Rhodes awarded nobel peace prize"???????
Achievements for 2006
No profit share
2 * Female pilots sacked after their second pregnancy
1 * attempted suicide after a line check with MFL
25 * US pilots resigned to go back to US carriers
A couple fired for having kids without CX approva
Another South African married couple leaving because of CX intrusion in their personal lives
Un-Lawfull dismissal declared by "the House of Lords"
And only five years ago sacked 49 guys for "no particular reason"
Whats next
"Nick Rhodes awarded nobel peace prize"???????
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....this just in...."Nick Rhodes awarded nobel peace prize"!
When will people learn...you are not an employee but merely a contract worker who they can terminate at anytime. They are fantastic business managers who have not a clue when it comes to people. It will catch up to them shortly!
When will people learn...you are not an employee but merely a contract worker who they can terminate at anytime. They are fantastic business managers who have not a clue when it comes to people. It will catch up to them shortly!
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Anyone remember the scene in "Dances with Wolves" where a Col who was obviously nuts (presumably wielding power over many suboordinates, yet completely unbalanced and unchecked) sends Costner to a remote unmanned post? As Costner carries on his orders he hears the muffled shot from inside that turns out to be said Col shooting himself in the head.
That Col is not unlike many of the powers that be in CX. Don't understand the connection? Watch the movie, and then work for CX for awhile and you will.
That Col is not unlike many of the powers that be in CX. Don't understand the connection? Watch the movie, and then work for CX for awhile and you will.
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Is this about the principle or the money?
If it's about the principle, then those of you here who have worked for CX for some time will realise that they are in business for profit, therefore CX won't change.
If it's about the money, then the right honourable gentleman/lady should refer to the answer given some moments ago!
If you have already written your letter of resignation in disgust at the treatment of these people we could class you as a 'giver'
If you've been working for CX for years and not made any individual moves to defend perceived injustices in a public forum then we could class you as 'taker's'?
Reflect.
If it's about the principle, then those of you here who have worked for CX for some time will realise that they are in business for profit, therefore CX won't change.
If it's about the money, then the right honourable gentleman/lady should refer to the answer given some moments ago!
If you have already written your letter of resignation in disgust at the treatment of these people we could class you as a 'giver'
If you've been working for CX for years and not made any individual moves to defend perceived injustices in a public forum then we could class you as 'taker's'?
Reflect.
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NC:
You and I have been around a long time. You know our COS is not worth the paper it is written on. So to have it in our COS means nothing.
We are supposed to have a D&G procedure in our COS. How many times have it been followed? Does peanut throwing warrant a D&G?
Two pilots just got fired over some housing fiasco. They got one letter sayin they were fired. Then underneath the first letter were two more letters. The 2nd letter was his first appeal with the decision still to be terminated. The 3rd letter was his second appeal already written out with the same decision. They got all the letters at one time.
The Conditions of Service at Cathay Pacific is worth Sh!tt
Bloggs,
Thanks for mentioning the two pilots fired recently, its a shame we can forget it so quickly. You are right their D&G, appeal, Final appeal was an absolute joke but you heard it first here there is about to be some major headlines on this one!, Standby
Just to show you how the company is sticking to your COS Mr Rhodes proudly anounced at a C & T meeting ( I was there) two weeks before JR's final appeal that he was fired. Natural Justice I dont think so!!
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You and I have been around a long time. You know our COS is not worth the paper it is written on. So to have it in our COS means nothing.
We are supposed to have a D&G procedure in our COS. How many times have it been followed? Does peanut throwing warrant a D&G?
Two pilots just got fired over some housing fiasco. They got one letter sayin they were fired. Then underneath the first letter were two more letters. The 2nd letter was his first appeal with the decision still to be terminated. The 3rd letter was his second appeal already written out with the same decision. They got all the letters at one time.
The Conditions of Service at Cathay Pacific is worth Sh!tt
Bloggs,
Thanks for mentioning the two pilots fired recently, its a shame we can forget it so quickly. You are right their D&G, appeal, Final appeal was an absolute joke but you heard it first here there is about to be some major headlines on this one!, Standby
Just to show you how the company is sticking to your COS Mr Rhodes proudly anounced at a C & T meeting ( I was there) two weeks before JR's final appeal that he was fired. Natural Justice I dont think so!!
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Mr. R, what a human. Still sleeps at night though. Does not take any responsibility in the deaths of England and Bennett (two of our 49ers).
It’s what real Swire Princes are made of. Glad to see Swire Pacific hires the best.
I am sure his family is proud. Ask him at the next command dinner.
It’s what real Swire Princes are made of. Glad to see Swire Pacific hires the best.
I am sure his family is proud. Ask him at the next command dinner.
In the old days the company had a Policy called Leave Flatting.
This meant that when you were on leave or otherwise and not using your house, you rented it out and put the rent money in your pocket.
The company's Housing Section facilitated this process and not only found temporary tenants for you, they also collected the rent and gave it to you. All the time you also collected your normal CX housing allowance.
My how times have changed...
This meant that when you were on leave or otherwise and not using your house, you rented it out and put the rent money in your pocket.
The company's Housing Section facilitated this process and not only found temporary tenants for you, they also collected the rent and gave it to you. All the time you also collected your normal CX housing allowance.
My how times have changed...
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It all because some Swire Prince heard someone in a bar saying they were doing this deal.
Like I said, Swire Pacific hires the best. A real compassionate group.
Like I said, Swire Pacific hires the best. A real compassionate group.
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Yes, The same little Swine that was placed by his sidekick rhodes strategically next to JR at his command dinner to try and illicit more information.
Beware of this little prick, he's not the gentleman his old man was and lacks his intelligence so in typical swine fashion is climbing the ladder by ruthlessly screwing peoples lives
SOUTHPAC
Beware of this little prick, he's not the gentleman his old man was and lacks his intelligence so in typical swine fashion is climbing the ladder by ruthlessly screwing peoples lives
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