No No No!
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Just a guess....you don't get affected by DEFO's Pax..... I'm alright so stuff the rest...whatever Dude!
I don't mind the company expanding aggressively as long as there is fair compensation to those waiting longer for upgrades....
I don't mind the company expanding aggressively as long as there is fair compensation to those waiting longer for upgrades....
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B scale guys blame A scale guys for not standing up.
Freighter scale guys blame B/A scale guys for not standing up.
The new DEFO 07 guys will blame everyone else for not standing up.
Nothing will change and people will just have to get over it.
Bottom line...I can't stop it and niether can you!
Oh, good guess but not a tough one considering DEFO 07 doesn't start till Jan 07.
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"Where you are in your career today will have a bearing on how much, if at all, this proposal will affect you." 
Ha ha ha. Obviously the likes of ST and the rest of his puppets have never heard of A Scale/ B Scale. By his logic, B Scale has never had a bearing upon A Scale COS.
Picking holes in this proposal is about as challenging as picking up a tart in Fenwicks, just not nearly as much fun.
PS, I hope PC keeps his word and keeps my identity anonomous after winning the "name the plane" award
Ha ha ha. Obviously the likes of ST and the rest of his puppets have never heard of A Scale/ B Scale. By his logic, B Scale has never had a bearing upon A Scale COS.
Picking holes in this proposal is about as challenging as picking up a tart in Fenwicks, just not nearly as much fun.
PS, I hope PC keeps his word and keeps my identity anonomous after winning the "name the plane" award
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CP DUDE...........
Sorry mate you are WRONG --- I am 36 and F/O.
AND MY VOTE IS STILL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Regardless of A scale / B Scale or any previous debarkles, I have an opertunity to change things from here on out and I will be doing my best to do so. Anyone who spent any time reading the proposed changes to COS07 will see how the door is left open to screw future S/O's...........
NO, NO, NO!
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Sorry mate you are WRONG --- I am 36 and F/O.
AND MY VOTE IS STILL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Regardless of A scale / B Scale or any previous debarkles, I have an opertunity to change things from here on out and I will be doing my best to do so. Anyone who spent any time reading the proposed changes to COS07 will see how the door is left open to screw future S/O's...........
NO, NO, NO!
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CP DUDE...........
Sorry mate you are WRONG --- I am 36 and F/O.
AND MY VOTE IS STILL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Regardless of A scale / B Scale or any previous debarkles, I have an opertunity to change things from here on out and I will be doing my best to do so. Anyone who spent any time reading the proposed changes to COS07 will see how the door is left open to screw future S/O's...........
NO, NO, NO!
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Sorry mate you are WRONG --- I am 36 and F/O.
AND MY VOTE IS STILL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Regardless of A scale / B Scale or any previous debarkles, I have an opertunity to change things from here on out and I will be doing my best to do so. Anyone who spent any time reading the proposed changes to COS07 will see how the door is left open to screw future S/O's...........
NO, NO, NO!
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Age 60 will happen one way or another. Let's get something for it before we lose that option. Other states are now looking at 65!
DEFO Pax needs to happen because of the limitations placed by the freighter fleet. Ideally, I would like to see a unified fleet where we fly both freighters and pax like the old days. ASL guys can remain freighter only and the rest fly both.
RP07 is better than the fall back plan. I say keep the relations positive between Company and Members and continue to make small progress.
So, are you No/No/No for a valid reason or are you so anti-company your not willing to listen or look at the offer?
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CP Dude i agree with what you are saying...the company is going to do what they want! However that does not mean i have to roll over and allow them to. Granted there is not much for me to do...except vote No to some of the issues.
RP07 is better than the fall back but DEFO(P) and Age 60 leave alot to be desired!
I also want the company to keep growing from strength to strength BUT good relations go both ways. There should be some form of incentive besides goodwill to accept these changes!
Two years of huge profits versus No profit share/No dicussion on Pay increase/DEFO's/Age 60........... they take and we give??
Sounds good if you management!!!
Cheers
RP07 is better than the fall back but DEFO(P) and Age 60 leave alot to be desired!
I also want the company to keep growing from strength to strength BUT good relations go both ways. There should be some form of incentive besides goodwill to accept these changes!
Two years of huge profits versus No profit share/No dicussion on Pay increase/DEFO's/Age 60........... they take and we give??
Sounds good if you management!!!
Cheers
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This submissive attitude of 'the company will do want it wants' could possibly be averted by allying with the FAU in some way. They have teeth, and are still wrongfooted by the lack of bonus payout. No idea how it could work, just a thought.
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".......RP 07 better than fall back........."
What about free reserve for 30 days?
What about my 5-4-3?
What about.......
I want this outfit to grow too but that does not meen take it up the tail pipe every single time. ENOUGH so I say NO and am not all "anti company".
"NO" is the only way on these current 3 issues.
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What about free reserve for 30 days?
What about my 5-4-3?
What about.......
I want this outfit to grow too but that does not meen take it up the tail pipe every single time. ENOUGH so I say NO and am not all "anti company".
"NO" is the only way on these current 3 issues.
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I have been following this Direct Entry FO (Pax) debate for sometime now, but what I have yet to establish is how it will affect current SO upgrade times. Can anyone shed any light on this? I notice that there is a threshold in the new deal that will stop SO's receiving Bypass Pay until 42 months service. Is there a restriction like this in the current contract? Many thanks for your help!
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game on
Our issues at hand are contractual, lets not all forget that. It is much harder for the company to just get what they want, we have to agree to it first.(although, their method of a gun to the head is an old but trusted method) We must hang on for as long as poss, send this crap back to them, negotiate or pi$$ off.
Age 60 may happen as per local legislation, but if it does go that way then fine, CX will be in breach of discrimination laws if they then want to pay 55+ ers less than their counterparts because of their age!!!!
RP07, no protection for lifestyle, no real penalties for overtime for the company, free reserve, no 5-4-3, doing 90+ hours a month will be the norm soon, yeah you will have more money in the bank, but only your partners will have time to spend it!!
No-No-No
Age 60 may happen as per local legislation, but if it does go that way then fine, CX will be in breach of discrimination laws if they then want to pay 55+ ers less than their counterparts because of their age!!!!
RP07, no protection for lifestyle, no real penalties for overtime for the company, free reserve, no 5-4-3, doing 90+ hours a month will be the norm soon, yeah you will have more money in the bank, but only your partners will have time to spend it!!
No-No-No
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CPDUDE..... "ALPHA FLOOR and Challenger-Deep, I owe you both an apology!" ...........
None necessary.
JUST TELL YOUR MATES TO VOTE NO, NO, NO!
None necessary.
JUST TELL YOUR MATES TO VOTE NO, NO, NO!
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"CPDUDE" is not an AOA Member, therefore has no vote. His mates are not likely to be members either...sucks, dunnit?
Get off your posturing butts and join, fer Pete's sake. How long will it take to figure this out?
Get off your posturing butts and join, fer Pete's sake. How long will it take to figure this out?
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It's worth remembering that the HKAOA is an association that has always been run for the benefit of the senior, as indeed are almost all unions and associations of this kind.
This is obviously apparent when you consider the results of the last such major change in new joiners conditions of service the introduction of B scale....all A Scale Captains, including those on the GC at the time (some of whom, I think, are still with the Company now on extensions), either have or will retire happily on their A scale wages. For those of you with the facility, check the eventual vote for the B scale resolution, and the quid pro quo the company offered for the introduction of the B scale.....it should make interesting reading.
For them, B scale made no difference apart from some low scale yammering in the right seat for a while. How do you propose to stop history repeating itself?
This is obviously apparent when you consider the results of the last such major change in new joiners conditions of service the introduction of B scale....all A Scale Captains, including those on the GC at the time (some of whom, I think, are still with the Company now on extensions), either have or will retire happily on their A scale wages. For those of you with the facility, check the eventual vote for the B scale resolution, and the quid pro quo the company offered for the introduction of the B scale.....it should make interesting reading.
For them, B scale made no difference apart from some low scale yammering in the right seat for a while. How do you propose to stop history repeating itself?