Recruitment Ban
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Recruitment Ban
Any one got any idea of the AOA will lift their recruitment ban bearing in mind what may or may not happen in the industry due to recent and no doubt forthcoming events? It's having rather a drastic effect on my planned career path at the moment.
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It is probably impossible to predict where the world is headed right now but cerainly the airline industry is in for a very, very rough ride. It was coming even before the events in NYC and WAS. The AOA could not see this and have steered themselves into a dead end along with the Members who were not ballsy enough to see it. Reminds me of the Pied Piper......
The ban meant nothing and who is recruiting at this time anyway. One thing is for sure if CX were, which they are not, to advertise in OZ I bet nearly everyone at AN would apply.. ban or no ban.
The current hurdle for the worlds airlines is insurance -or lack of - which could ground many who cannot get Government support. This may make the recent cuts seem like mmere chick feed. God I hope not but dont rely on the AOA to see sense.
Anyone seen the AOA President smile recently? I haven't! The 'Boys in Yellow' have shown their true colors! Bet there are few who wish they had gone where they have been!
Difficult times for all.
Good luck.
The ban meant nothing and who is recruiting at this time anyway. One thing is for sure if CX were, which they are not, to advertise in OZ I bet nearly everyone at AN would apply.. ban or no ban.
The current hurdle for the worlds airlines is insurance -or lack of - which could ground many who cannot get Government support. This may make the recent cuts seem like mmere chick feed. God I hope not but dont rely on the AOA to see sense.
Anyone seen the AOA President smile recently? I haven't! The 'Boys in Yellow' have shown their true colors! Bet there are few who wish they had gone where they have been!
Difficult times for all.
Good luck.
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The Recruitment Ban remains. The ban is in effect because 49 pilots have been sacked.We all hope for a resumption of normal ops, but this certainly wont happen until the 49 have been reinstated. There are some amongst the 49 who are in a far worse situation than people imagine. Whilst we must have sympathy for anyone who is out of a job, we must look after our own first.
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All understood Herb which is why I cannot take the job-I just wondered what current thinking was and whether with so much going on the AOA and CX might decide to sit down and get this sorted. Forgive me for sounding like a simple outsider, but I am not privvy to all the goings on in the AOA or CX for that matter. As for Nasty -humm! Nast
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Thanks for understanding.
Unfortunately there will always be people like NN around. When pilots learn to stick together the profession will gain the respect it deserves from the lowlife that call themselves "managers".
Unfortunately there will always be people like NN around. When pilots learn to stick together the profession will gain the respect it deserves from the lowlife that call themselves "managers".
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Herb, to my understanding (I might be wrong) that the AOA does want to get back into negotiations, whether the ppl sacked get their jobs back or not.
As mentioned above, I think that the guys down south will be looking here for jobs and it is advisable for CX pilots to watch their own seats. Many airlines are laying off, and a resolved union/company relationship is necessary.
As mentioned above, I think that the guys down south will be looking here for jobs and it is advisable for CX pilots to watch their own seats. Many airlines are laying off, and a resolved union/company relationship is necessary.
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The AOA website has many details which will help quell the speculation. (SCMP articles)
The AOA has requested to get back to the negotiating table, unconditionally, stating that the reinstatment of the 49ers remains an agenda item.
What remains speculative is the AOAs next move. An increase in industrial action could mean more sackings.....and the rules of the game are not quite so clear anymore. There are plenty of recently unemployed BA, AN, Virgin, UA and soon ANZ crews to take the place of perceived troublemakers (ban or no ban) Not to mention that sacking a few may suit CX anwyay, given the current global climate....although they state, that there is no plan to downsize yet.
The 49ers must remain an agenda item but not a pre-condition for negotiation. Now may not be the time to rattle the CX cage with anything more than 'work to rule'. (And that includes the recruitment ban, meantime)
There are no jobs out there. Can anyone in CX afford that fate that so many of us have suffered recently?
Finally lets not forget that the AOA approached CX immediately after the US attacks promising to help the customers wherever possible. Surely a sign of good faith on their behalf.
In a continual effort to find blame the ban creates new victims. Is compromise and maturity too much to ask (from both sides)?
The AOA has requested to get back to the negotiating table, unconditionally, stating that the reinstatment of the 49ers remains an agenda item.
What remains speculative is the AOAs next move. An increase in industrial action could mean more sackings.....and the rules of the game are not quite so clear anymore. There are plenty of recently unemployed BA, AN, Virgin, UA and soon ANZ crews to take the place of perceived troublemakers (ban or no ban) Not to mention that sacking a few may suit CX anwyay, given the current global climate....although they state, that there is no plan to downsize yet.
The 49ers must remain an agenda item but not a pre-condition for negotiation. Now may not be the time to rattle the CX cage with anything more than 'work to rule'. (And that includes the recruitment ban, meantime)
There are no jobs out there. Can anyone in CX afford that fate that so many of us have suffered recently?
Finally lets not forget that the AOA approached CX immediately after the US attacks promising to help the customers wherever possible. Surely a sign of good faith on their behalf.
In a continual effort to find blame the ban creates new victims. Is compromise and maturity too much to ask (from both sides)?
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Poor AOA, as CX now will eat them alive.
Best of luck to all you guys. I hear from some buds in the cockpit that it is getting quite unbearable (stress between company and union).
Cheers
Best of luck to all you guys. I hear from some buds in the cockpit that it is getting quite unbearable (stress between company and union).
Cheers
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I believe a recruitment ban at CX is immoral as long as any of the existing employees are prepared to accept promotion resulting from the selective dismissals.
Taking it out on new hire second officers is wrong ( direct entry F/Os CAPTs a different matter )
So long as this situatiou remains it refelects very poorly on all the existing flight staff.
Further up the pathetic scale of course are the flight staff associated with management that made or carried out the dismissal decision.
So whats the answer ?
I think the emplowees of CX should realise the type of management they re worlking for and get on with it.
The union has lost, consolidate and get ready to move out if necessary.
Taking it out on new hire second officers is wrong ( direct entry F/Os CAPTs a different matter )
So long as this situatiou remains it refelects very poorly on all the existing flight staff.
Further up the pathetic scale of course are the flight staff associated with management that made or carried out the dismissal decision.
So whats the answer ?
I think the emplowees of CX should realise the type of management they re worlking for and get on with it.
The union has lost, consolidate and get ready to move out if necessary.
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Fresh from the CX Intranet:
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As a result we are conducting a top to bottom review of our operations. However, we will not be making any hasty decisions. In due course we will need to respond to reductions in traffic levels, and match our capacity to the level of demand. We will also look at what measures we can take to reduce expenditure, which will include the deferral or cancellation of capital projects and purchases. We implemented a hiring freeze for all ground staff and cabin crew in August, which remains in place. We will now also phase out all pilot recruitment.
It is most unfortunate that at this critical time the leaders of the pilots' union are still trying to fight for more money and "improved lifestyles" for their members by pursuing industrial action against our Company. This action is specifically designed to damage the Company financially. Despite all that is going on, the AOA seems blind to the fact that what their members need most is to secure the future of the airline that pays their salaries and provides them with the lifestyle they now have.
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Dont fight the white lads...or you all maybe out of a job!
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As a result we are conducting a top to bottom review of our operations. However, we will not be making any hasty decisions. In due course we will need to respond to reductions in traffic levels, and match our capacity to the level of demand. We will also look at what measures we can take to reduce expenditure, which will include the deferral or cancellation of capital projects and purchases. We implemented a hiring freeze for all ground staff and cabin crew in August, which remains in place. We will now also phase out all pilot recruitment.
It is most unfortunate that at this critical time the leaders of the pilots' union are still trying to fight for more money and "improved lifestyles" for their members by pursuing industrial action against our Company. This action is specifically designed to damage the Company financially. Despite all that is going on, the AOA seems blind to the fact that what their members need most is to secure the future of the airline that pays their salaries and provides them with the lifestyle they now have.
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Dont fight the white lads...or you all maybe out of a job!
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Perhaps CX can use some of their 5 billion ($US 700million) profit from last year if they run into any financial difficulties.
The recruitment ban remains in place, if you find it immoral then perhaps you ought to become more informed about the reality of the situation than you are now.
The recruitment ban remains in place, if you find it immoral then perhaps you ought to become more informed about the reality of the situation than you are now.
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Hiring freeze it may be but next time you are ex-CLK look at the other bloke and say...we may have a prblem but we do have a job.
Ad naseum I say...CX will not put you in the street unless they have to.Let's believe our skills are valued and get on with presenting the world the best airline they have ever seen.
We are the best...let's get out there and show em...and sort out the 49 at the end of the year.
If you release them to make their own cases I belive 45 of them will get back ointo harness...albeit a bit further down the tree.
Ad naseum I say...CX will not put you in the street unless they have to.Let's believe our skills are valued and get on with presenting the world the best airline they have ever seen.
We are the best...let's get out there and show em...and sort out the 49 at the end of the year.
If you release them to make their own cases I belive 45 of them will get back ointo harness...albeit a bit further down the tree.
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BusyB... see your use of the English language has not improved. Resort to name calling again.
Fact - AOA were wrong from day one!
Fact - the President was after another job and wanted this dispute as a stepping stone (failed)
Fact - the problems were real prior to Sept 11. They are only hassened & the scale deepened. Only the AOA is living in fantasy land.
Fact - crews from AN, SR, UA, BA & XYZ would jump into the CX seat ban or no ban... get a life.
AOA along with the '49', '52 minus one' plus 'x' divied by 'y' all adds up to a flawed strategy which is only impacting the rest of the company staff thru out of date belief in being a 'superior net worth'.
Head down work hard and dig our way out is what's needed not cryptic 'lossers'.
BTW - yellow is associated with the colour of cowards.....so wear your ribbons with shame Guys. Might as well pay the shipping charges home for the 52 it is cheaper than paying 5% each month. You might need it.
happy days may be here again... dont know when though.
Boeing Boeing
Fact - AOA were wrong from day one!
Fact - the President was after another job and wanted this dispute as a stepping stone (failed)
Fact - the problems were real prior to Sept 11. They are only hassened & the scale deepened. Only the AOA is living in fantasy land.
Fact - crews from AN, SR, UA, BA & XYZ would jump into the CX seat ban or no ban... get a life.
AOA along with the '49', '52 minus one' plus 'x' divied by 'y' all adds up to a flawed strategy which is only impacting the rest of the company staff thru out of date belief in being a 'superior net worth'.
Head down work hard and dig our way out is what's needed not cryptic 'lossers'.
BTW - yellow is associated with the colour of cowards.....so wear your ribbons with shame Guys. Might as well pay the shipping charges home for the 52 it is cheaper than paying 5% each month. You might need it.
happy days may be here again... dont know when though.
Boeing Boeing
...and i've heard that a large number of CX check and training staff who were pre-1989 ansett pilots look forward to rubbing shoulders with the(now unemployed)pilots that filled their shoes post '89....
