Massive Cathay Strike
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David,
You want to provoke thought however your thoughts are not original and prove you have no knowledge of how our industry works.
"If Cathay Pilots are the amongst best in the world then surely they can obtain gainful employment elsewhere."
Ever heard of seniority? We can all gain employment somplace else but then have to spend another 10 years getting back to the starting point.
"What is apparent is that across the world all airlines are trying to save money. Some are doing it by reducing service to its passengers and others are doing it by cutting employee fees. Some are doing both and more."
Cathay has cut so much that they have generated a record profit - but at what expense?
"Cheap good pilots are available, they are just harder to find."
Which goes hand in hand with - You pay peanuts you get monkeys.
I'm guessing that when you go for open heart surgery that you ship off to some third world country because the doctors there are paid less even though they have the same basic qualifications as your local expert.
You want to provoke thought however your thoughts are not original and prove you have no knowledge of how our industry works.
"If Cathay Pilots are the amongst best in the world then surely they can obtain gainful employment elsewhere."
Ever heard of seniority? We can all gain employment somplace else but then have to spend another 10 years getting back to the starting point.
"What is apparent is that across the world all airlines are trying to save money. Some are doing it by reducing service to its passengers and others are doing it by cutting employee fees. Some are doing both and more."
Cathay has cut so much that they have generated a record profit - but at what expense?
"Cheap good pilots are available, they are just harder to find."
Which goes hand in hand with - You pay peanuts you get monkeys.
I'm guessing that when you go for open heart surgery that you ship off to some third world country because the doctors there are paid less even though they have the same basic qualifications as your local expert.
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Airpressure, good post! But guys, don't make this a money issue otherwise TT will keep telling the public that the highest paid pilot at CX makes $5 million p.a. The KA guys, OTOH, are having a better campaign. The public is sympathetic to their cause and believes that it is a seniority issue not a money issue.
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wish to be
COS stands for Conditions of Service basically everything that is agreed to in a contract when you are first employed ie salary working conditions medical housing education etc.
Now unfortunately in Cathay's case, they see no reason to abide by their contracts with their crews and are continually changing and reducing our benefits . That is what this up coming fight is all about. Continual Contract abuse. This company has failed to live up to a single contract signed between the company and the crews. It's a sad state of affairs but unfortunately it's true
COS stands for Conditions of Service basically everything that is agreed to in a contract when you are first employed ie salary working conditions medical housing education etc.
Now unfortunately in Cathay's case, they see no reason to abide by their contracts with their crews and are continually changing and reducing our benefits . That is what this up coming fight is all about. Continual Contract abuse. This company has failed to live up to a single contract signed between the company and the crews. It's a sad state of affairs but unfortunately it's true
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Well said puhbackred, enuf whining ( as usual) guys, just do it then you can stand tall and compare yourselves to those on Delta and similar. BTW, if you are rejected by your national carrier, hmmm.... but why ? Someone said, you pay peanuts, you get monkeys...I got a friends flying for a Canadian major and I must admit their pay are peanuts compared to a lot of us. So..they must be......and those in virgin blue and and Air NZ and etc, etc and MH of course. Whats the issue here ?
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Read DM's remarks with interest. question(s)..do you feel long(and loyal) serving employees should be rewarded with pay cuts and threats of termination?. is it solid business practice to 'eliminate' professional employees once they get to the top of the tree?(a la haeco under DT).don't senior people in ANY professional capacity, having dutifully served their employer, deserve some show of loyalty and recognition in return? accountants and managers make errors but these are not measured in human lives lost..can you possibly imagine the collective effect that killing 400 plus people would have on their families?...dramatic..maybe..but history has proven beyond any arguement that the path that this company is following is leading in one direction only...and god help them when they get there. you can talk numbers all you want but the cold hard fact is that CX senior captains are paid about industry standard salaries for 747 pilots with their level of experience..not more... the problem is they work much harder for it and they no longer have even the basic conditions provided by leading global airlines..i.e a roster. if you asked almost ANY pilot(or their family)where they would be tomorrow they give you a map of the world and a dart! you are correct..there ARE good cheap pilots...why aren't they here?...the selection process is thorough...maybe they're not as good as YOU think or perhaps they can see what is most obvious ..that CX does not value loyalty,skill and safety over profit and that the word 'career' is no longer part of our lives.we WILL move on....most of us are mooching about waiting for a moderate retirement payout(if you believe the CX numbers you're more gullible than us!)and either giving it away all together or taking a local contract job with 14 days off at home /month for the same money....it leaves a foul taste to commit to a company,be promised a career(having given one up to get here)and be treated with complete contempt.....every few months it's something else..and always a downgrade. well good luck both recruiting and training as the captains leave. if you think their ability and experience count for nothing..i suggest you get yourself an aluminium-proof umbrella!
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This is a reply I posted earlier to Mr mccracken, however, it should answer your query too Kurmit.
Higher pay generally has the effect of attracting the best in the market. This applies in our field just as, I am quite sure, it applies in yours. CX used to pay the best and generally got the best. The guys recruited today are still pretty sh@t hot, however, the money continues to go down. What is the future? Maybe I won't be using all my retirement travel benefits!
Higher pay generally has the effect of attracting the best in the market. This applies in our field just as, I am quite sure, it applies in yours. CX used to pay the best and generally got the best. The guys recruited today are still pretty sh@t hot, however, the money continues to go down. What is the future? Maybe I won't be using all my retirement travel benefits!
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OOOOOooohhh! Okay then. Those KUL boys better not apply for that freighter job until you guys can drive the message to CX management that they must not seggregate between KL based and HKG....in terms of salary. Thank you very much for looking after us before we can get the job. Very thoughful of you and if we can stand like this, soon we can get what the boys at UAL and Delta are getting. The good thing is, living in KUL is cheaper than HKG and perhaps we can invite you guys for a BBQ sometimes. FYI, those attendees at the interview were told that CX is only testing the water and the job might not be a reality.But we can see quite an uproar over the thread. Keep it up boys/girls!
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I have purchased a CX/** Round the World ticket (first class) last month and the majority of the segments are on CX. Anyone have an idea of what will happen if CX really does goes on strike?
I have spent a lot of money on this ticket hoping to experience CX's first class service and is a "trip of a lifetime" for me.
In the event of a strike, what will CX do?
My CX segments are as follows:
CX 250 LHR HKG
CX 701 HKG BKK
CX 713 BKK SIN
CX 734 SIN HKG
CX 838 HKG YVR
All of these segments occur from mid-June to early-July.
I hope that if CX pilots really do go on a massive strike, PLEASE DON'T MAKE IT LAST TOO LONG !!
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I have spent a lot of money on this ticket hoping to experience CX's first class service and is a "trip of a lifetime" for me.
In the event of a strike, what will CX do?
My CX segments are as follows:
CX 250 LHR HKG
CX 701 HKG BKK
CX 713 BKK SIN
CX 734 SIN HKG
CX 838 HKG YVR
All of these segments occur from mid-June to early-July.
I hope that if CX pilots really do go on a massive strike, PLEASE DON'T MAKE IT LAST TOO LONG !!
[This message has been edited by cxfcpax (edited 09 May 2001).]
[This message has been edited by cxfcpax (edited 09 May 2001).]
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cxfcpax; there will not be a strike per se as such activities would probably only spur a rash of new contracts, on further reduced scales of remuneration. The outcome of any efforts to 'up the ante'is likely to be flight disruptions caused by crews being unfit to fly. I (along with most of my colleagues) am genuinely sorry that this state of affairs has been allowed to continue for so long and I really hope that you manage to get on your flights without difficulty. Your trip looks like it will be great fun. If it's any consolation (and it won't be much, I'm afraid)the last time that intransigence caused flight cancellations the company farmed out some of the routes, at massive expense, to other operators. It is likely that you will reach your destinations but the carrier with whom you fly might not be your first or even seventh choice. Good luck.
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I think your travel plans are pretty safe. There has to be well over a thousand pilots at Cathay, and six of them post their little strike rants here. The rest of them go on doing a day's work for a day's pay, just like their folks taught them.
If Dr. Johnson had lived two hundred years later, I'm sure he would have said "collectivism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings".
If Dr. Johnson had lived two hundred years later, I'm sure he would have said "collectivism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings".
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Hey cxfcpax,
Go back to your little cx management desk and rot away.
You are not a fcpax.
your cover is as safe as a paper bag filled with water.
Funny how you arrive just now, wanting to know about June/July.
You'll see what happens. JUST WAIT!!!!
Go back to your little cx management desk and rot away.
You are not a fcpax.
your cover is as safe as a paper bag filled with water.
Funny how you arrive just now, wanting to know about June/July.
You'll see what happens. JUST WAIT!!!!
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To: cxfcpax
I repeat again. Those boys don't have the B@LLS to strike. I will bet one whole year salary on it!!! Any takers??
The half @ss sickout 2 years ago was a disgrace to the airline industry. And the Airline Union. Please you bunch......just shutup and bent over like a good little girl you are, and take it .......you jellyfish!!!
YOU ARE THE WEAKEST LINK !!!!!
I repeat again. Those boys don't have the B@LLS to strike. I will bet one whole year salary on it!!! Any takers??
The half @ss sickout 2 years ago was a disgrace to the airline industry. And the Airline Union. Please you bunch......just shutup and bent over like a good little girl you are, and take it .......you jellyfish!!!
YOU ARE THE WEAKEST LINK !!!!!
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I am sure most of you have already spotted it, but I'll point it out anyway...A couple of newcomers to the forum, stirring and fishing . All with less than 5 posts.Draw your own conclusions.
Anyway. Pushbackred I doubt you have a salary to bet.
Please don't insult the ladies in the airline.
I don't remember a sick out? The only airline to have a sick out in recent memory are paying a huge fine for the folly.
Were you repeating or repeating again..please clarify.
Please do try to calm down and keep it civil old boy/girl. Thanks.
Anyway. Pushbackred I doubt you have a salary to bet.
Please don't insult the ladies in the airline.
I don't remember a sick out? The only airline to have a sick out in recent memory are paying a huge fine for the folly.
Were you repeating or repeating again..please clarify.
Please do try to calm down and keep it civil old boy/girl. Thanks.