Well said puhbackred, enuf whining ( as usual) guys, just do it then you can stand tall and compare yourselves to those on Delta and similar. BTW, if you are rejected by your national carrier, hmmm.... but why ? Someone said, you pay peanuts, you get monkeys...I got a friends flying for a Canadian major and I must admit their pay are peanuts compared to a lot of us. So..they must be......and those in virgin blue and and Air NZ and etc, etc and MH of course. Whats the issue here ?