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«Upgrading» to FI from CRI

Old 30th Dec 2018, 09:53
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«Upgrading» to FI from CRI

I have about 500 hrs of instruction experience (mostly tailwheel aircraft), but would like to upgrade my CRI(SE) to a FI.

The «teaching and learning»-part should be okay, but has anyone succeeded in getting credit for some hours to get a reduction in the mandatory instruction hours towards the full FI (based on experience, much like the CBIR)?

I have the ATPL-theory.
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 18:42
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According to the regulation there are not even any credits for the 3 hours of Instruction you have already received. You have to do the full 30 hours of which 5 hours may be mutual practice.
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 19:32
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I have looked at going the other way from FI to CRI as the junior qualification covers most of what I do nowadays.The full CRI course is required.So over 40 years of unrestricted instructing including 35 years as an FE and having held FIC approval count for nothing.Needless to say I have maintained the FE.Regards Stampe
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 21:41
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A lot of new FIs have managed to obtain a CRI on the basis of their FI so that they don't have to be supervised, so it can be done! Perhaps there is nobody left with any common sense. You could argue that as a FIC instructor you could train a CRI and therefore you must have the privileges.
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Old 30th Dec 2018, 23:36
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Originally Posted by PA19 View Post
I have about 500 hrs of instruction experience (mostly tailwheel aircraft), but would like to upgrade my CRI(SE) to a FI.

The «teaching and learning»-part should be okay, but has anyone succeeded in getting credit for some hours to get a reduction in the mandatory instruction hours towards the full FI (based on experience, much like the CBIR)?

I have the ATPL-theory.
Look at the possibility of CRI --> FAA CFI --> EASA FI.

It may seem odd, but neither transition, this way, requires minimum training, only "as required" followed by examination. It may be cheaper and easier for somebody with your instructional hours.

You do however need an FAA CPL/IR to get the FAA CFI, which may prevent this - depending upon your personal circumstances.

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Old 31st Dec 2018, 09:44
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Originally Posted by Genghis the Engineer View Post
Look at the possibility of CRI --> FAA CFI --> EASA FI.

It may seem odd, but neither transition, this way, requires minimum training, only "as required" followed by examination. It may be cheaper and easier for somebody with your instructional hours.

You do however need an FAA CPL/IR to get the FAA CFI, which may prevent this - depending upon your personal circumstances.

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Genghis, I was told there is no way to go from FAA CFI to EASA FI. I guess if that means no set hours just pass the exams (again) that's one thing but boy that was a lot of work.
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Old 31st Dec 2018, 11:58
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Originally Posted by Stampe View Post
I have looked at going the other way from FI to CRI as the junior qualification covers most of what I do nowadays.The full CRI course is required.So over 40 years of unrestricted instructing including 35 years as an FE and having held FIC approval count for nothing.Needless to say I have maintained the FE.Regards Stampe
Thats incorrect. The CRI is embedded in the FI and we routinely have people apple for a CRI on the basis of holding an FI.
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Old 31st Dec 2018, 17:50
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Genghis, I was told there is no way to go from FAA CFI to EASA FI. I guess if that means no set hours just pass the exams (again) that's one thing but boy that was a lot of work.
FAA CFI TO EASA FI

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Old 31st Dec 2018, 21:16
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I recently completed the FI course (May 2018) having already been a CRI. I found no way of avoiding any of the 30 hours flying element of the FI course but the school decided that they would give me full credit for the 30 hours (I seem to recall) ground instruction that I'd received as part of the CRI course.

Although initially disappointed I actually found 30 hours flying just about right, we did the course in about 20-22 hours and then revised the exercises which really helped to drive them home.

I'd suggest you make sure you explicitely tell CAA that you want to keep the CRI when you get the FI rating added to your licence, I'm not quite sure why but it just feels better to keep everything so as to have the most options in the future.
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Old 9th Jan 2019, 15:29
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I think it is a misconception that its an "upgrade". Its an entirely different proposition to teach ab-initio exercises to a student pilot compared to converting a fully qualified pilot.
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