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PA19 30th Dec 2018 09:53

«Upgrading» to FI from CRI
 
I have about 500 hrs of instruction experience (mostly tailwheel aircraft), but would like to upgrade my CRI(SE) to a FI.

The «teaching and learning»-part should be okay, but has anyone succeeded in getting credit for some hours to get a reduction in the mandatory instruction hours towards the full FI (based on experience, much like the CBIR)?

I have the ATPL-theory.

Whopity 30th Dec 2018 18:42

According to the regulation there are not even any credits for the 3 hours of Instruction you have already received. You have to do the full 30 hours of which 5 hours may be mutual practice.

Stampe 30th Dec 2018 19:32

I have looked at going the other way from FI to CRI as the junior qualification covers most of what I do nowadays.The full CRI course is required.So over 40 years of unrestricted instructing including 35 years as an FE and having held FIC approval count for nothing.Needless to say I have maintained the FE.Regards Stampe

Whopity 30th Dec 2018 21:41

A lot of new FIs have managed to obtain a CRI on the basis of their FI so that they don't have to be supervised, so it can be done! Perhaps there is nobody left with any common sense. You could argue that as a FIC instructor you could train a CRI and therefore you must have the privileges.

Genghis the Engineer 30th Dec 2018 23:36


Originally Posted by PA19 (Post 10347180)
I have about 500 hrs of instruction experience (mostly tailwheel aircraft), but would like to upgrade my CRI(SE) to a FI.

The «teaching and learning»-part should be okay, but has anyone succeeded in getting credit for some hours to get a reduction in the mandatory instruction hours towards the full FI (based on experience, much like the CBIR)?

I have the ATPL-theory.

Look at the possibility of CRI --> FAA CFI --> EASA FI.

It may seem odd, but neither transition, this way, requires minimum training, only "as required" followed by examination. It may be cheaper and easier for somebody with your instructional hours.

You do however need an FAA CPL/IR to get the FAA CFI, which may prevent this - depending upon your personal circumstances.

G

ahwalk01 31st Dec 2018 09:44


Originally Posted by Genghis the Engineer (Post 10347706)
Look at the possibility of CRI --> FAA CFI --> EASA FI.

It may seem odd, but neither transition, this way, requires minimum training, only "as required" followed by examination. It may be cheaper and easier for somebody with your instructional hours.

You do however need an FAA CPL/IR to get the FAA CFI, which may prevent this - depending upon your personal circumstances.

G

Genghis, I was told there is no way to go from FAA CFI to EASA FI. I guess if that means no set hours just pass the exams (again) that's one thing but boy that was a lot of work.

S-Works 31st Dec 2018 11:58


Originally Posted by Stampe (Post 10347570)
I have looked at going the other way from FI to CRI as the junior qualification covers most of what I do nowadays.The full CRI course is required.So over 40 years of unrestricted instructing including 35 years as an FE and having held FIC approval count for nothing.Needless to say I have maintained the FE.Regards Stampe

Thats incorrect. The CRI is embedded in the FI and we routinely have people apple for a CRI on the basis of holding an FI.

Genghis the Engineer 31st Dec 2018 17:50


Originally Posted by ahwalk01 (Post 10347935)
Genghis, I was told there is no way to go from FAA CFI to EASA FI. I guess if that means no set hours just pass the exams (again) that's one thing but boy that was a lot of work.

https://www.pprune.org/flying-instru...i-easa-fi.html

G

Kemble Pitts 31st Dec 2018 21:16

I recently completed the FI course (May 2018) having already been a CRI. I found no way of avoiding any of the 30 hours flying element of the FI course but the school decided that they would give me full credit for the 30 hours (I seem to recall) ground instruction that I'd received as part of the CRI course.

Although initially disappointed I actually found 30 hours flying just about right, we did the course in about 20-22 hours and then revised the exercises which really helped to drive them home.

I'd suggest you make sure you explicitely tell CAA that you want to keep the CRI when you get the FI rating added to your licence, I'm not quite sure why but it just feels better to keep everything so as to have the most options in the future.

Whopity 9th Jan 2019 15:29

I think it is a misconception that its an "upgrade". Its an entirely different proposition to teach ab-initio exercises to a student pilot compared to converting a fully qualified pilot.


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