More Swissport Redundancies??
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So another rounds of staff cuts on the table then. Have heard that the ASMs are to the cut from 5 down to 3, these 3 will now cover the operation between the hours of 0500-1330 and 1330-2200 working a 4 on 2 off pattern. The ramp will lose 3 team leaders and 6 ramp agents and Operations will go down to 6 full time and 3 part time. PSA will also lose 8 members of staff aswell, but then again thats what I heard...........
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Grizzler bless you maybe you should worry about the contracts you have. I mean i know people who travelled on the TCX and had to wait nearly 2 hours for there bags. Maybe if you stop watching TOM's you maybe able to handle your own aircraft???
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Not sure how you come up with TCX pax waiting 2 hours for their bags.....as servisair keep a daily check on all bag times and none of them are more than 40 mins....we would have had memos on the wall and scurges all round if we took that long......in fact myself and one other person have done full offload of a 320 airbus and still had bags in undercroft in 30 mins....maybe the pax got held up elseware.
the longest offload of a thomas cook 757 was a month ago from Alpa 6...a divert....the bags never went down to the undercroft for an hour after plane landed,as the buses never turned up for the pax....so bags went down as soon as punters were there to collect them.....so we did not block up the belts......so i think the people you know must have been with thomsonfly.....they do sound similar......but thanks for your concern.
the longest offload of a thomas cook 757 was a month ago from Alpa 6...a divert....the bags never went down to the undercroft for an hour after plane landed,as the buses never turned up for the pax....so bags went down as soon as punters were there to collect them.....so we did not block up the belts......so i think the people you know must have been with thomsonfly.....they do sound similar......but thanks for your concern.
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Was told by a Swissport Manager today that the reason they lost the Mon contract was because Mon wanted virtually a free turnaround. The new Swissport directors are now not willing to handle for peanuts. However Aviance were happy to handle for peanuts and won the contract. This now means Circusair have been lumbered with the contract.
I think all the HA should get together and refuse to handle airlines for peanuts. The airlines are squeezing the life out of HA.
I think all the HA should get together and refuse to handle airlines for peanuts. The airlines are squeezing the life out of HA.
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Staff Redundancies
Also 2 landside shift managers going. Finally Swissport use some common sense and realise they have to much management 
Wht should it always be the shopfloor that takes the hit on redundancies.
Wht should it always be the shopfloor that takes the hit on redundancies.
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Legalize, contract offer was performance related which is why it was not renewed with Swissport.
You were a bit slow off the mark with the Monarch announcement as I am led to believe it has been common knowledge for a week or so,still no announcement on TOM going to Swissport
You were a bit slow off the mark with the Monarch announcement as I am led to believe it has been common knowledge for a week or so,still no announcement on TOM going to Swissport
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If it was performance related woulnt the contract have gone at other bases where performance was bad. BHX is actually Monarchs best base for OTD etc.
It was down to money and thats the bottom line. When the official announcememnt is released I wont say I told you so.
If it was performance related woulnt the contract have gone at other bases where performance was bad. BHX is actually Monarchs best base for OTD etc.
It was down to money and thats the bottom line. When the official announcememnt is released I wont say I told you so.
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Those Memos you talk of are always the same "Its in no way a reflection of the staffs work blah blah blah" its true that the bottom line is cost, and that has deciding factor. On the TOM contract I have heard that there staying put, hence the job cuts, the big down side of this is the arss kissing and cock sucking that we have to put up with, when will thses middle managment learn that there no more then a number, nothing more nothing less........
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Whilst not employed by BHX or any of their HA, as an airline supplier, it is not just the HA they are 'squeezing', they are cutting costs everywhere, to the extent you have to ask, is it worth it anymore? Despite the current climate, none of us in business should have to stoop to the level the airlines are asking us to perform at. But what can we do, we cannot join together, because you can bet your bottom dollar, a supplier no matter what they provide will always undercut you
As to service, I am a regular pax ex BHX, and sadly have to say that Swissport from my own experiences this last two years have not provided the level of service they once did. I appreciate some or possibly most of this is down to their management, a fact borne out by their staff. Not very professional in front of a queue of pax waiting to board the buses to hear a staff member moaning extremely loud about their LA and indeed their management and what the "Hell" they should be doing!! And please do not get me onto arrivals, because of the last two flights I have had, 20 minutes for the steps to arrive (ZB skipper not amused one bit) and the other flight, 55 minutes for baggage, yet no other aircraft had landed in the previous 45 mins that Swissport handle!!
Whilst not employed by BHX or any of their HA, as an airline supplier, it is not just the HA they are 'squeezing', they are cutting costs everywhere, to the extent you have to ask, is it worth it anymore? Despite the current climate, none of us in business should have to stoop to the level the airlines are asking us to perform at. But what can we do, we cannot join together, because you can bet your bottom dollar, a supplier no matter what they provide will always undercut you
As to service, I am a regular pax ex BHX, and sadly have to say that Swissport from my own experiences this last two years have not provided the level of service they once did. I appreciate some or possibly most of this is down to their management, a fact borne out by their staff. Not very professional in front of a queue of pax waiting to board the buses to hear a staff member moaning extremely loud about their LA and indeed their management and what the "Hell" they should be doing!! And please do not get me onto arrivals, because of the last two flights I have had, 20 minutes for the steps to arrive (ZB skipper not amused one bit) and the other flight, 55 minutes for baggage, yet no other aircraft had landed in the previous 45 mins that Swissport handle!!
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My personal view on Swissports problems
I worked during the Groundstar days and for the 2 years of it being swissport. It seems like the problems that existed then are still apparent today. I still keep in contact with the old staff so am still in touch with what is going on. It seems like the biggest problem is with Duty managers/shift maangers/yes men (whatever you want to call them). For some reason they tend to agree with everything higher managememt come out with, even if it makes no sense at all. If you dare go agaionst the maangemt you are then down he road. I have only ever known 2 DM's who dared to answer maangers back and stuck up for the workforce (Tw and UK) Where are these two legends now? Down the road!
From what I have heard now the so called shift maangers in place now are the most un-capable bunch that you could dream up. They are all yes men/women who follow managers round nodding their heads like nodding dogs. Most of them are less qulaified than ramp ops, ops guys and psa's. But then again, why should they not jump when told to. Their mistakes are overlooked by management on a regular basis. Just to mention a few
1 - A Shift manager pushes a plane with no driving permit and wearing shoes that resemble wedding shoes on the ramp. To rub it in a few hours later jumps onto a deck loader and operates that...What is done? Not a thing
2 - A shift maanger turns up late for 90% of shifts! WHat is done? Not a thing
3 - A shift manager is not able to help out in any of the 3 departments due to not being un-capable of doing so. What is done? Not a thing?
4 - A shift manager who is not qulaified jumps into the loading control seat and sends wrong loadsheets without being a licensed load controller. What happens? A letter on file which means absoluteley jack.
And to rub it all in, a ramp guy pushes a cone with a EBT and what happens? HE GETS PUT ON A 12 MONTHS FINAL WARNING!!!
My point is, until all the corruption stops and there is 1 set of rules put in place for everyone, then Swissport will not progress. It will continue to be a downhill struggle im afraid.
From what I have heard now the so called shift maangers in place now are the most un-capable bunch that you could dream up. They are all yes men/women who follow managers round nodding their heads like nodding dogs. Most of them are less qulaified than ramp ops, ops guys and psa's. But then again, why should they not jump when told to. Their mistakes are overlooked by management on a regular basis. Just to mention a few
1 - A Shift manager pushes a plane with no driving permit and wearing shoes that resemble wedding shoes on the ramp. To rub it in a few hours later jumps onto a deck loader and operates that...What is done? Not a thing
2 - A shift maanger turns up late for 90% of shifts! WHat is done? Not a thing
3 - A shift manager is not able to help out in any of the 3 departments due to not being un-capable of doing so. What is done? Not a thing?
4 - A shift manager who is not qulaified jumps into the loading control seat and sends wrong loadsheets without being a licensed load controller. What happens? A letter on file which means absoluteley jack.
And to rub it all in, a ramp guy pushes a cone with a EBT and what happens? HE GETS PUT ON A 12 MONTHS FINAL WARNING!!!
My point is, until all the corruption stops and there is 1 set of rules put in place for everyone, then Swissport will not progress. It will continue to be a downhill struggle im afraid.
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I have heard the same myself from the self appointed Swissport Operations ASM, this is why all training for this airline has been supended. Best start brushing up the CV again.
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Could swissport survive on just these airlines if Tk leave aswell?
BE.PK.CY.LX. mmm doubt it very much but dont forget BE was always there favourite airline they only have themseleves to blame.
BE.PK.CY.LX. mmm doubt it very much but dont forget BE was always there favourite airline they only have themseleves to blame.
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There is no way any other airline will leave Swissport and go to Servisair. Remember, Monarch only left because Aviance agreed to handle them for virtually nothing and now they have ended up at Servisair. Sevisair are in a very healthy position currnetly so are not going to take on any new contracts for peanuts. So think about it, why would an airline leave a HA where they are getting a fairly decent service to goto a HA that will be charging them more and the service level will decrease due to the sheer amount of work Servisair will have.
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The reason Aviance did not get the monarch contract last year was because Swissport was rumoured to had offered £500k to stay. Monarch could not refuse and extended the contract on a 1 year deal.
Rumour was that Aviance were about to seal the deal (again) with monarch just prior to being taken over by the circus. Everything was put on hold until the takeover plans were a little clearer.
Obviously they have now signed with Servisair on the terms agreed with Aviance. You said it yourself
The contract was there for servisair to turn down. There is surly some weight behind it?
Space for a 3rd handling agent now?
Rumour was that Aviance were about to seal the deal (again) with monarch just prior to being taken over by the circus. Everything was put on hold until the takeover plans were a little clearer.
Obviously they have now signed with Servisair on the terms agreed with Aviance. You said it yourself
Sevisair are in a very healthy position currnetly so are not going to take on any new contracts for peanuts
The contract was there for servisair to turn down. There is surly some weight behind it?
Space for a 3rd handling agent now?
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