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AAF 447.. Computers got fed incorrect data and dumped control to Pilots who promptly mucked up, but the computers wouldn't have saved the aircraft either with false info. AP disconnect happens on a regular basis don't they! Best computer still is the human brain, trained in all situations (that Air France and others didn't do). Not even drones fly without experienced pilots watching over them. Its not going to happen and flight crew will stay at a minimum of 2..
Aircraft are not like trains..
AAF 447.. Computers got fed incorrect data and dumped control to Pilots who promptly mucked up, but the computers wouldn't have saved the aircraft either with false info. AP disconnect happens on a regular basis don't they! Best computer still is the human brain, trained in all situations (that Air France and others didn't do). Not even drones fly without experienced pilots watching over them. Its not going to happen and flight crew will stay at a minimum of 2..
Aircraft are not like trains..
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Cheers for your imputs & very old fashion beliefs by some of you out their.
Yes we all laughed at the Jetsons cartoons on TV some 25-30 years ago & thought it was so futuristic at that time & it would never happen.
GEE HOW WRONG WERE WE ALL!
Did all you guys say 30 year ago that we would only ever use a fixed to the wall land line home phone, their will never be a small phone you can carry around with you in your pocket with no phone cord strapped to a wall & you can make a call to anywhere in the world at anytime while on the move or stationary.
Yep its called a mobile phone or Cell phone.
My local beaches are in the process of phasing out a pilot driven Cessna 152 beach patrol aircraft & replacing it with a number of unmanned drones controlled from a ground station. The drones can cover a much larger distance & send such incredible & large amount of hi-tech info & photos back to home base. Much more useful than a pilot in a Cessna 152 radioing back to home base every so often to say he thinks he may have seen something & to please send out the cavelrie to further investigate.
Pilots will become ground based not cockpit based in the future, they will work from ground base control centres & be required to monitor & rectify situations as needed.
The ground base control centres could be airport control towers. The pilots would work side by side with air traffic controllers in the airport control towers.
Just like our modern container cargo shiping terminals are now controlled by a control centre with 6 or so people working within the control centre to load & unload multiple ships at 1 time with radio or GPS operated cranes.
Never say never.
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Yes we all laughed at the Jetsons cartoons on TV some 25-30 years ago & thought it was so futuristic at that time & it would never happen.
GEE HOW WRONG WERE WE ALL!
Did all you guys say 30 year ago that we would only ever use a fixed to the wall land line home phone, their will never be a small phone you can carry around with you in your pocket with no phone cord strapped to a wall & you can make a call to anywhere in the world at anytime while on the move or stationary.
Yep its called a mobile phone or Cell phone.
My local beaches are in the process of phasing out a pilot driven Cessna 152 beach patrol aircraft & replacing it with a number of unmanned drones controlled from a ground station. The drones can cover a much larger distance & send such incredible & large amount of hi-tech info & photos back to home base. Much more useful than a pilot in a Cessna 152 radioing back to home base every so often to say he thinks he may have seen something & to please send out the cavelrie to further investigate.
Pilots will become ground based not cockpit based in the future, they will work from ground base control centres & be required to monitor & rectify situations as needed.
The ground base control centres could be airport control towers. The pilots would work side by side with air traffic controllers in the airport control towers.
Just like our modern container cargo shiping terminals are now controlled by a control centre with 6 or so people working within the control centre to load & unload multiple ships at 1 time with radio or GPS operated cranes.
Never say never.
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Most pilots don't fly because it's their job, it's their job because they fly.
Even if pilots are removed from the flight deck of commercial airlines, there will always be pilots flying around in other planes.
Just like there are still people who paint, even though we have cameras.
Will companies remove pilots from the flight deck? maybe, maybe not. But they won't be doing it for the reason's you've outlined. If you calculate the cost of an airline ticket with respect to the wages the pilot is paid, you might be surprised to find out that the pilot gets about £3 from that £700 ticket. That's cheap insurance. Or, maybe that's the value of your life? £3? and if you're putting the pilot on the ground, well you're not saving that money are you? So I find a lot of your arguments are unfounded.
As for safety, you need to find out how many failures happen in flight before you can make any comparison between piloted and non-piloted flight. Very few failures ever make the papers...
But mostly, I am amused by your constant references to the jetsons cartoons. I have to tell you, it's been a LONG time since I watched cartoons, what are you doing with your Saturdays?
Even if pilots are removed from the flight deck of commercial airlines, there will always be pilots flying around in other planes.
Just like there are still people who paint, even though we have cameras.
Will companies remove pilots from the flight deck? maybe, maybe not. But they won't be doing it for the reason's you've outlined. If you calculate the cost of an airline ticket with respect to the wages the pilot is paid, you might be surprised to find out that the pilot gets about £3 from that £700 ticket. That's cheap insurance. Or, maybe that's the value of your life? £3? and if you're putting the pilot on the ground, well you're not saving that money are you? So I find a lot of your arguments are unfounded.
As for safety, you need to find out how many failures happen in flight before you can make any comparison between piloted and non-piloted flight. Very few failures ever make the papers...
But mostly, I am amused by your constant references to the jetsons cartoons. I have to tell you, it's been a LONG time since I watched cartoons, what are you doing with your Saturdays?
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Thanks darkroomsource,
Pilots working from ground base will obviously be paid much less than a cockpit based pilot. That being a lot of the prestige & old school this is the way its always been done will be phazed out. Also the ground base pilots will require much less workload & 1 pilot will be able to monitor multiple or more aircraft at the 1 time just the same as an air traffic controller.
Its sad to say that you refer to the 3 pound price people pay on their ticket for pilots salaries as a cheap insurance policy, that is so nice to hear for all the people that have been injured or killed by pilot error. 3 pound well spent, i beg to differ & i'm sure all the families of the loved ones lost due to pilot error would also agree.
I would rather pay an additional 6, 10, or 20 pounds on my ticket to have the flight pilotless & only if urgently required a ground base pilot to step if needed.
My reference to the Jetsons is that we all used to watch them on TV when we were kids or even as adults some 30-40 years ago & most of the things on their that we all thought would never happen have happened. Electric footpaths, flying cars, face to face video link up & so on. Therefore i refer that you can NEVER say NEVER, it will NEVER happen or it will ALWAYS be done this way no matter what.
You refer to even if pilots are removed from the flight deck in commercial aircraft their will always be pilots that fly around in other aircraft. i'm not so sure of this as with regards to pilotless fighter aircraft & drones are rapidly replacing pilots requirments. Just take self service checkin now days offered by most airlines, Just another clear indication of another old school airline job that is rapidly being phazed out. You think the airlines & aircraft designers/ manafactures are just going to stop their at that ?
Going to the doctor or specalist is rapidly changing also with the avalability of internet face time & Skype. No need now to go to Bricks & mortar doctors consulting room, you can get onto the net & have face to face time doctor or specialits appointment then if required an Electronic prescription or Electronic referal to another doctor or specialist can be emailed out. WE ALL WOULD HAVE LAUGHED AT THIS IDEAR SOME 30 YEARS AGO BUT TODAY IT IS REALITY.
Surgeons can operate or run an operation on a patient that is located in another country via face to face video link up, face time or Skype. WOW 30 years ago who would have thought that would be possible today.
So with all this modern change going on i am dumbfounded as to why so many of you are still under the belief that their will always be pilots in the cockpit of aircraft no matter what even while many fighter aircraft & drones today are pilotless in the cockpit & the trend is moving more that way.
NEVER SAY NEVER, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, IT WILL ALWAYS BE DONE THIS WAY FOR EVER & EVER.
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Pilots working from ground base will obviously be paid much less than a cockpit based pilot. That being a lot of the prestige & old school this is the way its always been done will be phazed out. Also the ground base pilots will require much less workload & 1 pilot will be able to monitor multiple or more aircraft at the 1 time just the same as an air traffic controller.
Its sad to say that you refer to the 3 pound price people pay on their ticket for pilots salaries as a cheap insurance policy, that is so nice to hear for all the people that have been injured or killed by pilot error. 3 pound well spent, i beg to differ & i'm sure all the families of the loved ones lost due to pilot error would also agree.
I would rather pay an additional 6, 10, or 20 pounds on my ticket to have the flight pilotless & only if urgently required a ground base pilot to step if needed.
My reference to the Jetsons is that we all used to watch them on TV when we were kids or even as adults some 30-40 years ago & most of the things on their that we all thought would never happen have happened. Electric footpaths, flying cars, face to face video link up & so on. Therefore i refer that you can NEVER say NEVER, it will NEVER happen or it will ALWAYS be done this way no matter what.
You refer to even if pilots are removed from the flight deck in commercial aircraft their will always be pilots that fly around in other aircraft. i'm not so sure of this as with regards to pilotless fighter aircraft & drones are rapidly replacing pilots requirments. Just take self service checkin now days offered by most airlines, Just another clear indication of another old school airline job that is rapidly being phazed out. You think the airlines & aircraft designers/ manafactures are just going to stop their at that ?
Going to the doctor or specalist is rapidly changing also with the avalability of internet face time & Skype. No need now to go to Bricks & mortar doctors consulting room, you can get onto the net & have face to face time doctor or specialits appointment then if required an Electronic prescription or Electronic referal to another doctor or specialist can be emailed out. WE ALL WOULD HAVE LAUGHED AT THIS IDEAR SOME 30 YEARS AGO BUT TODAY IT IS REALITY.
Surgeons can operate or run an operation on a patient that is located in another country via face to face video link up, face time or Skype. WOW 30 years ago who would have thought that would be possible today.
So with all this modern change going on i am dumbfounded as to why so many of you are still under the belief that their will always be pilots in the cockpit of aircraft no matter what even while many fighter aircraft & drones today are pilotless in the cockpit & the trend is moving more that way.
NEVER SAY NEVER, IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, IT WILL ALWAYS BE DONE THIS WAY FOR EVER & EVER.
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Oh Please Contact Approach, Have you not heard of TCAS, (Traffic Collision Avoidance System). Their is no human pilot that can detect better than this system. The human pilot is alerted & told what to do by TCAS such as increase or decrease altitude to avoid a collision.
You really think what would happen if the aircraft is on its set GPS track & it is flown right into a storm. Why would you fly an aircraft right into a storm if you can divert & fly around the storm to make it safe for all ?
Aircraft Avionic systems are technical enough these days to work together with the set GPS system to fly the aircraft in a manner that will widely avoid at best cost things such as storms & turbulents & so on. If the aircraft was to fly into these conditions it would be automatically detected & the aircraft course would be automatically changed immediately to get out of that situartion ASAP & into better weather locations.
Its just like your automatic vaccum cleaner these days that can vaccum your house & if it hits the wall or encounters steps or so on it automatically detects & diverts or tracks side ways or backwards & goes another direction. All of this is happening while you are sucking on an icecream, sitting on your bum & watching the Jetsons cartoon on TV & giggling & laughing & saying it will NEVER HAPPEN. Sorry it has already happened.
I'm sure in future our weather radar systems & other systems will be effective enough to automatically divert aircraft flight path before they enter locations of vulcanic dust clouds, microbursts, hail, storms & many other detrimental conditions.
All systems will be trailed & tested & set in place on ground & in air & approved by FAA, EASA & any other global avaiation regulation authorities before all of this pilotless commercial aircraft goes ahead. Everything will be thought of & set in place just the same as an aircraft manafacturer does the same when designing a new aircraft, testing & applying for airworthiness approval.
Its all checks & balances.
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You really think what would happen if the aircraft is on its set GPS track & it is flown right into a storm. Why would you fly an aircraft right into a storm if you can divert & fly around the storm to make it safe for all ?
Aircraft Avionic systems are technical enough these days to work together with the set GPS system to fly the aircraft in a manner that will widely avoid at best cost things such as storms & turbulents & so on. If the aircraft was to fly into these conditions it would be automatically detected & the aircraft course would be automatically changed immediately to get out of that situartion ASAP & into better weather locations.
Its just like your automatic vaccum cleaner these days that can vaccum your house & if it hits the wall or encounters steps or so on it automatically detects & diverts or tracks side ways or backwards & goes another direction. All of this is happening while you are sucking on an icecream, sitting on your bum & watching the Jetsons cartoon on TV & giggling & laughing & saying it will NEVER HAPPEN. Sorry it has already happened.
I'm sure in future our weather radar systems & other systems will be effective enough to automatically divert aircraft flight path before they enter locations of vulcanic dust clouds, microbursts, hail, storms & many other detrimental conditions.
All systems will be trailed & tested & set in place on ground & in air & approved by FAA, EASA & any other global avaiation regulation authorities before all of this pilotless commercial aircraft goes ahead. Everything will be thought of & set in place just the same as an aircraft manafacturer does the same when designing a new aircraft, testing & applying for airworthiness approval.
Its all checks & balances.
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Chock Chucker The point you are avoiding is that whilst it even if it were technically possible to have pilotless aircraft as you propose, the public perception will never make it commercially viable. You are flogging the proverbial dead horse.
If I were trying to promote an idea, I would not relate it to a cartoon (which I and probably others have never even heard of.) It doesn't give it the gravitas which you seem to think it deserves.
If I were trying to promote an idea, I would not relate it to a cartoon (which I and probably others have never even heard of.) It doesn't give it the gravitas which you seem to think it deserves.
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FYI Capetonian we already have pilotless aircraft such as pilotless fighter aircraft & drones that have been flying around our skies for some time now. I believe this transition will eventually transition into commercial airline aircraft also.
What do you mean you havnet heard of the Jetsons Cartoons before, Everybody in the western world knows of the Jetsons, say your 25 years of age or older you would have watched the Jetsons cartoons on TV or know of the Jetsons.
Its like saying you & most others would probably not have ever heard of the Simpsons before. Do you have a TV in your house ?
The public has changed their peception on many forms of automation & we are now begining to accept it very well & see it as a normal part of life.
Just look at pilotless military fighter aircraft & drones are now taking to our skies at an ever increasing rate & the general public have adapted very well to that.
How do you think the war is being fought in Afganistan at present ? Send in TOM CRUISE in a pilot driven (Steam Driven) F14 Tomcat fighter aircraft with TOM CRUISE yelling out I HAVE THE NEED FOR SPEED & giving high 5's to everyone or send in the pilotless drones ?
No more TOP GUN MOVIES with TOM CRUISE at the stick of an old F14 TOMCAT bucket of bolts. How dated & backwards is that. Bring in the pilotless fighter aircraft & pilotless drones.
Chock Chucker.
What do you mean you havnet heard of the Jetsons Cartoons before, Everybody in the western world knows of the Jetsons, say your 25 years of age or older you would have watched the Jetsons cartoons on TV or know of the Jetsons.
Its like saying you & most others would probably not have ever heard of the Simpsons before. Do you have a TV in your house ?
The public has changed their peception on many forms of automation & we are now begining to accept it very well & see it as a normal part of life.
Just look at pilotless military fighter aircraft & drones are now taking to our skies at an ever increasing rate & the general public have adapted very well to that.
How do you think the war is being fought in Afganistan at present ? Send in TOM CRUISE in a pilot driven (Steam Driven) F14 Tomcat fighter aircraft with TOM CRUISE yelling out I HAVE THE NEED FOR SPEED & giving high 5's to everyone or send in the pilotless drones ?
No more TOP GUN MOVIES with TOM CRUISE at the stick of an old F14 TOMCAT bucket of bolts. How dated & backwards is that. Bring in the pilotless fighter aircraft & pilotless drones.
Chock Chucker.
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Oh dear ...... how can you purport to tell me that I must have heard of the Jetsons cartoons? I haven't.
Have you heard of Gary and Spider? I thought not. Unless you grew up in South Africa and are of a specific age group, you wouldn't.
Of course I have a TV but I hardly ever watch it. My son watches the Simpsons, I don't but, but obviously, I've heard of it.
Totally irrelevant though.
I'm quite aware that there are pilotless aircraft for various purpose, and that it may be technically possible to have pilotless passenger carrying aircraft. Again, you're missing the point. To be honest you come across as a bit of a fanatic. I'm not discussing this any further with you. Good luck with your endeavour to convince others.
Best wishes.
Have you heard of Gary and Spider? I thought not. Unless you grew up in South Africa and are of a specific age group, you wouldn't.
Of course I have a TV but I hardly ever watch it. My son watches the Simpsons, I don't but, but obviously, I've heard of it.
Totally irrelevant though.
I'm quite aware that there are pilotless aircraft for various purpose, and that it may be technically possible to have pilotless passenger carrying aircraft. Again, you're missing the point. To be honest you come across as a bit of a fanatic. I'm not discussing this any further with you. Good luck with your endeavour to convince others.
Best wishes.
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Sorry,
I think you have missed the point & i'm not out their to be a fanatic or convince others.
I am just putting across my thoughts of the progression of automation & increased saftey in the avaiation industry as i see it.
In the Jetsons cartoon which came out around the 1950's or so & ran on TV well into the mid to late 1980's. The cartoon had cartoon characters walking on electric footpaths, flying around in flying cars, talking to each other face to face on video link up with big screen TV. It was very futuristic & very out their for its time & most of us that watched it thought that none of these things would ever happen or come true. Well we were all proved wrong.
Go to your local airport & ride the electric footpaths, use your home computer with Skype or your smart phone face time. Someone in the US is currently paintenting a flying car which will soon be available for people like yourself & myself to buy.
There is my reference to the Jetsons cartoon that we all said it would never happen & it has now all happened.
Just like many people have replied to my origional post & said that they believe that pilotless commercial aircraft will never happen.
I say to them did they watch the Jetsons cartoon on TV many years ago & say that electric footpaths will never happen, face to face video link up on big screen TV will never happen, flying cars will never happen & pilotless military fighter aircraft & drones will never happen
Chock Chucker.
I think you have missed the point & i'm not out their to be a fanatic or convince others.
I am just putting across my thoughts of the progression of automation & increased saftey in the avaiation industry as i see it.
In the Jetsons cartoon which came out around the 1950's or so & ran on TV well into the mid to late 1980's. The cartoon had cartoon characters walking on electric footpaths, flying around in flying cars, talking to each other face to face on video link up with big screen TV. It was very futuristic & very out their for its time & most of us that watched it thought that none of these things would ever happen or come true. Well we were all proved wrong.
Go to your local airport & ride the electric footpaths, use your home computer with Skype or your smart phone face time. Someone in the US is currently paintenting a flying car which will soon be available for people like yourself & myself to buy.
There is my reference to the Jetsons cartoon that we all said it would never happen & it has now all happened.
Just like many people have replied to my origional post & said that they believe that pilotless commercial aircraft will never happen.
I say to them did they watch the Jetsons cartoon on TV many years ago & say that electric footpaths will never happen, face to face video link up on big screen TV will never happen, flying cars will never happen & pilotless military fighter aircraft & drones will never happen
Chock Chucker.
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Sorry can't guess if you are for real or taking the piss.
Why do you keep bringing up the jetsons? Also where have you seen a flying car? Before you mention that hideous, unpractical thing they call a flying car stop and think. It's a plane that drives. Hugely unpractical because if you get the slightest ding in it the plane is not airworthy, have to get repaired and you of all people should know how expensive aircraft maintenance is.
That plane is for such a niche market that it will never take off. Excuse the pun.
The 787 an a350 are 2 crew. The next gen 777 and 737 are 2 crew. If they bring up a concept in 10 years it will be 30 before its allowed to fly.
Pilot jobs, in this generation at least, are secure.
Why do you keep bringing up the jetsons? Also where have you seen a flying car? Before you mention that hideous, unpractical thing they call a flying car stop and think. It's a plane that drives. Hugely unpractical because if you get the slightest ding in it the plane is not airworthy, have to get repaired and you of all people should know how expensive aircraft maintenance is.
That plane is for such a niche market that it will never take off. Excuse the pun.
The 787 an a350 are 2 crew. The next gen 777 and 737 are 2 crew. If they bring up a concept in 10 years it will be 30 before its allowed to fly.
Pilot jobs, in this generation at least, are secure.
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i'm not out their to be a fanatic or convince others.
You haven't listened to any one's opinions...
you are the most closed minded person I've met on this forum, and that's saying a lot.
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Looks like some of you guys want to stay back in the dark ages & fly around on Bi-planes or maybe a broom stick like a witch. HOW VERY CLOSE MINDED.
Close minded people dont start open minded threads.
Cant be to long before we get into new cars & their is no steering wheel. Push a button & the car automatically drives us to where we want while we sit back & read the paper on our tablets or look out the side window.
Their have been nearly 600 views & 31 or so posts to my origional post so i cant be to close minded as that many other people wouldnt want to waste their time on reading & replying to such close minded posts.
I'm not hear to wind people up or take the piss. My thoughts & idear is that this will be the way of air travel in the future.
Thankyou darkroomsource, FYI you have not listened to my opinion at all & then cast judgment on me with childish name calling.
What you havent seen a flying car as of yet, gee the amount of documetries i have seen on TV & on the net in the past few years with guys that have built their own flying cars & show them in flying operation. Some even have patents on them & will be put in production soon enough for people like yourself & myself to buy. Private Pilots Licence required.
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Looks like some of you guys want to stay back in the dark ages & fly around on Bi-planes or maybe a broom stick like a witch. HOW VERY CLOSE MINDED.
Close minded people dont start open minded threads.
Cant be to long before we get into new cars & their is no steering wheel. Push a button & the car automatically drives us to where we want while we sit back & read the paper on our tablets or look out the side window.
Their have been nearly 600 views & 31 or so posts to my origional post so i cant be to close minded as that many other people wouldnt want to waste their time on reading & replying to such close minded posts.
I'm not hear to wind people up or take the piss. My thoughts & idear is that this will be the way of air travel in the future.
Thankyou darkroomsource, FYI you have not listened to my opinion at all & then cast judgment on me with childish name calling.
What you havent seen a flying car as of yet, gee the amount of documetries i have seen on TV & on the net in the past few years with guys that have built their own flying cars & show them in flying operation. Some even have patents on them & will be put in production soon enough for people like yourself & myself to buy. Private Pilots Licence required.
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Their is no TROLL hear TURIN.
I am a LAE that has posted this origional post.
Please take your silly uneducated TROLL comments elswhere.
If you have nothing positive to post on this thread then please dont post anything else.
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I am a LAE that has posted this origional post.
Please take your silly uneducated TROLL comments elswhere.
If you have nothing positive to post on this thread then please dont post anything else.
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Will someone plz pick up all the toys on the floor and get back to work as I am going on holiday soon and want it safe. We do need aircrew as I do like a stiff G&T.
Keep them up boys
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Yes Sir Perrin toys are being picked up as we speak,
Just like we need aircrew in pilotless fighter aircraft & pilotless drones. NOT!!!
No one seems to mind pilotless fighter aircraft that carry missiles & bombs & so on & pilotless drones that spy/fight wars & arial patrol our neighbourhoods & beaches & countries borders & so on.
No one seems to mind self service checkin at the airport nor buying their own airline ticket online with no assistance from the airline or travel agent. Havent times changed from the way we used to do things in the airline industry.
No one seems to mind self service food & drink machines on modern aircraft that have reduced the cabin crew employees number per aircraft even with larger aircraft that carry more passangers.
So really what seems to be the problem then with pilotless commercial aircraft & why would so many of you still think that pilots will always be needed in the copit ? Seems very old fashion to me.
Did we always think that dirt would be required to grow plants/fruits/vegetables & so on ? How about hydroponic plants/fruits & vegetables grown in PVC tubes with roots submerged only in flowing liquid fertiliser soultion. We all buy this produce today in our supermakets & i can imagin the person that first pioneered the Hydroponic idear some time ago was laughed at by many & told it would not be possible & your wasting your time & it will never happen.
The moral of the story is WHO GETS THE LAST LAUGH.
Ive got to go now, gee i'm really hungry, might make myself a tuna & salad sandwith, Tuna from the fish farm sold in the supermarket & the sald from the supermaket that has been hydroponicaly grown & Bread from the supermarket with many of the ingredients modified & grown very differently from the way they were grown in the past.
GEE havent times changed but many of you forget that & still live in the (IT WILL ALWAYS BE LIKE THIS & WILL NEVER CHANGE) past.
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Just like we need aircrew in pilotless fighter aircraft & pilotless drones. NOT!!!
No one seems to mind pilotless fighter aircraft that carry missiles & bombs & so on & pilotless drones that spy/fight wars & arial patrol our neighbourhoods & beaches & countries borders & so on.
No one seems to mind self service checkin at the airport nor buying their own airline ticket online with no assistance from the airline or travel agent. Havent times changed from the way we used to do things in the airline industry.
No one seems to mind self service food & drink machines on modern aircraft that have reduced the cabin crew employees number per aircraft even with larger aircraft that carry more passangers.
So really what seems to be the problem then with pilotless commercial aircraft & why would so many of you still think that pilots will always be needed in the copit ? Seems very old fashion to me.
Did we always think that dirt would be required to grow plants/fruits/vegetables & so on ? How about hydroponic plants/fruits & vegetables grown in PVC tubes with roots submerged only in flowing liquid fertiliser soultion. We all buy this produce today in our supermakets & i can imagin the person that first pioneered the Hydroponic idear some time ago was laughed at by many & told it would not be possible & your wasting your time & it will never happen.
The moral of the story is WHO GETS THE LAST LAUGH.
Ive got to go now, gee i'm really hungry, might make myself a tuna & salad sandwith, Tuna from the fish farm sold in the supermarket & the sald from the supermaket that has been hydroponicaly grown & Bread from the supermarket with many of the ingredients modified & grown very differently from the way they were grown in the past.
GEE havent times changed but many of you forget that & still live in the (IT WILL ALWAYS BE LIKE THIS & WILL NEVER CHANGE) past.
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When people asked me what I did for a living I used to say that I was a Licensed Aircraft Engineer, but after the chocksters ranting on, unwillingness to listen to others & constant references to a kids cartoon I think I will tell everyone I am a stripper in a gay bar. Far less embarrassing.
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If you have nothing positive to post on this thread then please dont post anything else.
It's meant to be a discussion. Maybe you should go and live in North Korea.
On reflection, I think I'd rather be on a pilotless aircraft than on one with you as PIC, so maybe there is some merit in your argument after all.
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The first airline in the world to introduce pilotless aircraft
What will be their advertising slogan?
You know, the inducement to buy their tickets and get on their aeroplanes.
And why would they want to be the first?
You know, the inducement to buy their tickets and get on their aeroplanes.
And why would they want to be the first?
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Originally Posted by Exup
When people asked me what I did for a living I used to say that I was a Licensed Aircraft Engineer, but after the chocksters ranting on, unwillingness to listen to others & constant references to a kids cartoon I think I will tell everyone I am a stripper in a gay bar. Far less embarrassing.