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Yes i'm sure strippers in gay bars laugh at us Licensed Aircraft Engineers all the time.
I mean who would do all this study & training on aircraft to get paid an average salary when you can do next to no training & take of your clothes while dancing & roll around in bucket loads of cash.
WHO GETS THE LAST LAUGH AT THE END OF THE DAY ?
I'm terribly sure Richard Branson had to put up with all you narrow minded guys out their making the same narrow minded comments to him while he was trying to make it. IT WILL NEVER WORK, WHY ARE YOU DOING THAT, YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME, WHAT A CRAZY RANTING MAN, HE WILL NEVER GET ANYWHERE IN LIFE, WHAT A LOOSER & so on.
Hey but Richard Branson is now very rich & very sucessful & very pioneering & now you all bow down to his feet & worship him & listen to everything he has to say. Soon you may give your money to him to buy a ticket on his soon to be passenger space flights. GEE HOW PIONEERING & many narrow minded people said it would never happen.
Dont the tides turn hey fellas ?
At the end of the day if airlines could do away with pilots then look at the massive cost saving. That being also cheaper plane tickets for you & i.
Its hard to believe how many views & posts my origional post has created so far after only a few days.
THIS IS CALLED THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, BEING INNOVATIVE & PIONEERING. Just like Richard Branson.
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I mean who would do all this study & training on aircraft to get paid an average salary when you can do next to no training & take of your clothes while dancing & roll around in bucket loads of cash.
WHO GETS THE LAST LAUGH AT THE END OF THE DAY ?
I'm terribly sure Richard Branson had to put up with all you narrow minded guys out their making the same narrow minded comments to him while he was trying to make it. IT WILL NEVER WORK, WHY ARE YOU DOING THAT, YOUR WASTING YOUR TIME, WHAT A CRAZY RANTING MAN, HE WILL NEVER GET ANYWHERE IN LIFE, WHAT A LOOSER & so on.
Hey but Richard Branson is now very rich & very sucessful & very pioneering & now you all bow down to his feet & worship him & listen to everything he has to say. Soon you may give your money to him to buy a ticket on his soon to be passenger space flights. GEE HOW PIONEERING & many narrow minded people said it would never happen.
Dont the tides turn hey fellas ?
At the end of the day if airlines could do away with pilots then look at the massive cost saving. That being also cheaper plane tickets for you & i.
Its hard to believe how many views & posts my origional post has created so far after only a few days.
THIS IS CALLED THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, BEING INNOVATIVE & PIONEERING. Just like Richard Branson.
Chock Chucker.
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Yeeeees, the hundreds of dead and maimed civilians really like armed, pilotless drones don't they?
BTW. Your own comments CC are negative too. Is that allowed?
You have started multiple threads, with some quite ludicrous ideas and comments. Your responses to anyone who disagrees with you is to run them down and bang on about the bloody jetsons. (I'm another by the way, who never watched it). You sound like a Troll.
Bugger, broke my own rule.
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BTW. Your own comments CC are negative too. Is that allowed?
You have started multiple threads, with some quite ludicrous ideas and comments. Your responses to anyone who disagrees with you is to run them down and bang on about the bloody jetsons. (I'm another by the way, who never watched it). You sound like a Troll.
Bugger, broke my own rule.
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Cheers Turin,
Yes & the terrorist loved 911 didnt they ?
Like i have mentioned in my prevoius posts that if the aircraft were pilotless then 911 most probably would not have occured.
Why would a terrorist want to break into a cockpit that is pilotless when they cannot change the aircraft course or direction as that is all pre-set & controlled by multiple control tower which are ground based ? No airliner aircraft flying into buildings with this set in place.
For the aircraft to change course if required authorisation would be required by multiple staff in each of the multiple control towers. So it would make it extremely difficult for terrorist to try to over-run ground control towers as it would be impossible for them to know which multiple control towers are controlling each seperate aircraft.
If the aircraft is pilotless it wouldent even need to have a cockpit. All the avioncics required would be placed below floor boards in forward MEC avionionic bay.
SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY. Lets make our skies safer for all.
No TROLL hear my friend you are barking once again up the narrow minded tree on that thought.
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Yes & the terrorist loved 911 didnt they ?
Like i have mentioned in my prevoius posts that if the aircraft were pilotless then 911 most probably would not have occured.
Why would a terrorist want to break into a cockpit that is pilotless when they cannot change the aircraft course or direction as that is all pre-set & controlled by multiple control tower which are ground based ? No airliner aircraft flying into buildings with this set in place.
For the aircraft to change course if required authorisation would be required by multiple staff in each of the multiple control towers. So it would make it extremely difficult for terrorist to try to over-run ground control towers as it would be impossible for them to know which multiple control towers are controlling each seperate aircraft.
If the aircraft is pilotless it wouldent even need to have a cockpit. All the avioncics required would be placed below floor boards in forward MEC avionionic bay.
SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY. Lets make our skies safer for all.
No TROLL hear my friend you are barking once again up the narrow minded tree on that thought.
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CC, you may find that others are more likely to engage in effective discussion if you calm down a bit. From your username and signature you have been in the trade for some time now; progressing from doing "see offs and chock chucking" all the way through the Pt 66 up to your C license. So you should know that the only unmanned aircraft in near constant use are state owned and therefore operate under different regulations under the ANO. I don't disagree that the future may see unmanned civil aircraft but there needs to be a lot more development before that happens.
Oh and by the way, with your grammar and spelling I'm sure they love you when it comes to ARC time on any frame you've worked on!
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I do believe it will happen!
I do think Civil aviation will go 'airborne' pilotless in time, meaning a pilot will monitor on the ground, however one pilot may (and I'm only thinking aloud here!) monitor more than one aircraft, afterall he/she only has to be alerted to something abnormal to go and deal with that aircraft.
The Military have always been the forward thinking/looking and have the budget to push the boundaries but from their innovations things filter down into civil aviation and even into every day life. Look at HUD's they were a thing of the military aircraft, however we now have commercial airliners with civilian pilots using HUD's in their normal working life.
I think CC you mentioned on here something about timescales 5-10 years I believe. I think that time frame is in my opinion totally wrong, it will be a lot longer than that.
My estimate would be that the military will keep developing their pilotless aircraft and systems, this will lead to civilian users such as fisheries patrol, highway patrols (America use them already) using larger unmanned drones over the next 10 years. Next will come the technology to apply it to cargo aircraft 20 years time. After this has proved to work it will then be applied to civilian air transport 30 - 40 years time.
I suggest it will take this long for a few reasons.
1. Although technology is moving very fast, there is still a huge amount to develop and invent for application to a civil air transport & make it totally safe)
2. Mostly though there needs to be mindset change! that will be the biggest hurdle and it will not happen with the current generation of adults, nor the next however those who are born in 10 years time and approaching their 20's in 30 years time will have been brought up in an environment where pilotless aircraft were a fact of life from the moment they were born and it will be accepted.
Look at London's DLR (driverless trains), when they first announced this concept there was uproar and people categorically saying it would fail and no one would get on a driver less train. Millions use it daily now without batting an eyelid! and before you all jump down my throat, yes I know a train is on rails and cannot fall down but it's about the concept and how peoples attitudes and mindsets change.
I am a pilot and I know that aircraft performing auto-lands do it far better than any pilot and they can do it over and over again without fault, however I currently would still not get onto a passenger airliner tomorrow if there were no pilots up front, even though I know the autopilot can fly it better than the humans but that's because I've grown up with that attitude and having no pilots up front is relatively new to me, but for those born in 10 - 20 years time it will be common place, maybe still in the military or civilian surveillance roles but the change in attitude will have already begun.
3. Legislation would have to change quite drastically
I am not suggesting that every passenger aircraft in the world will suddenly go pilotless, the majority won't but many will.
Someone said something about cost of pilots here, well I would suggest it is a huge incentive for an airline to go pilotless in terms of cost reductions.
Airlines operate with between 4 - 5 full crews per hull (1 crew being 2 pilots), so if an airline has 200 aircraft, it needs 200 x 5 = 1000 crews which equals 2000 pilots to operate it's fleet of aircraft.
Lets say the average salary between the two pilots up front is £100K (it will be more than that). £100K x 5= £500K per hull per year x by 200 hulls = £10 Million (hope my maths is correct!)
£10 million is not an insignificant amount for any company! now of course some of that will still be required to have 'ground' based pilots who would monitor aircraft in the air.
Anyway, I've rambled for far too long, it's a very interesting time in aviation and the debate about pilotless aircraft a fascinating topic. I firmly believe it will happen to passenger airlines but not in my lifetime and I reckon I still have some 30 years left in me (subject to being hit by a bus tomorrow
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The Military have always been the forward thinking/looking and have the budget to push the boundaries but from their innovations things filter down into civil aviation and even into every day life. Look at HUD's they were a thing of the military aircraft, however we now have commercial airliners with civilian pilots using HUD's in their normal working life.
I think CC you mentioned on here something about timescales 5-10 years I believe. I think that time frame is in my opinion totally wrong, it will be a lot longer than that.
My estimate would be that the military will keep developing their pilotless aircraft and systems, this will lead to civilian users such as fisheries patrol, highway patrols (America use them already) using larger unmanned drones over the next 10 years. Next will come the technology to apply it to cargo aircraft 20 years time. After this has proved to work it will then be applied to civilian air transport 30 - 40 years time.
I suggest it will take this long for a few reasons.
1. Although technology is moving very fast, there is still a huge amount to develop and invent for application to a civil air transport & make it totally safe)
2. Mostly though there needs to be mindset change! that will be the biggest hurdle and it will not happen with the current generation of adults, nor the next however those who are born in 10 years time and approaching their 20's in 30 years time will have been brought up in an environment where pilotless aircraft were a fact of life from the moment they were born and it will be accepted.
Look at London's DLR (driverless trains), when they first announced this concept there was uproar and people categorically saying it would fail and no one would get on a driver less train. Millions use it daily now without batting an eyelid! and before you all jump down my throat, yes I know a train is on rails and cannot fall down but it's about the concept and how peoples attitudes and mindsets change.
I am a pilot and I know that aircraft performing auto-lands do it far better than any pilot and they can do it over and over again without fault, however I currently would still not get onto a passenger airliner tomorrow if there were no pilots up front, even though I know the autopilot can fly it better than the humans but that's because I've grown up with that attitude and having no pilots up front is relatively new to me, but for those born in 10 - 20 years time it will be common place, maybe still in the military or civilian surveillance roles but the change in attitude will have already begun.
3. Legislation would have to change quite drastically
I am not suggesting that every passenger aircraft in the world will suddenly go pilotless, the majority won't but many will.
Someone said something about cost of pilots here, well I would suggest it is a huge incentive for an airline to go pilotless in terms of cost reductions.
Airlines operate with between 4 - 5 full crews per hull (1 crew being 2 pilots), so if an airline has 200 aircraft, it needs 200 x 5 = 1000 crews which equals 2000 pilots to operate it's fleet of aircraft.
Lets say the average salary between the two pilots up front is £100K (it will be more than that). £100K x 5= £500K per hull per year x by 200 hulls = £10 Million (hope my maths is correct!)
£10 million is not an insignificant amount for any company! now of course some of that will still be required to have 'ground' based pilots who would monitor aircraft in the air.
Anyway, I've rambled for far too long, it's a very interesting time in aviation and the debate about pilotless aircraft a fascinating topic. I firmly believe it will happen to passenger airlines but not in my lifetime and I reckon I still have some 30 years left in me (subject to being hit by a bus tomorrow
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So, you haven't read the recent report about a/c autopilots getting hacked through their com/nav systems by a mobile phone?
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IT WILL HAPPEN!
Here in the USA major steps have been taken beyond the developmeltal failures and fixes of our military to develope civil unmanned flight. The us government have cleared drones to operate in Class B airspace, major funding has popped up for ADS-B install across the country..
As it stands now with FANS, pilots recieve commands to the FMS (easily converted to a digital command sent strait to the FCC).
How hard do you really think it is to automate or remotely control, flaps spoilers etc? Childs play.
The easy argument I hear over and over is will passengers trust to fly on a UAV... Not tomorrow.
I can see this happening in steps,
- police operated UAV's at your local airport.
- Military operating heavy UAV freighters, then pax.
- UAV freighters operating for freight companies, Fred Smith From FedEx has already said he would do it w/o question.
- The F/O is replaced with a dog.. haha..NO we go to a single pilot completely autonomous aircraft that can be controled by the PIC if need be.
- The heavy pax UAV with humans monitoring from the ground.
The hard argument is how safe are the communications to ensure safe flight. Well just like anything elese we have built another man can and will destroy it, why should it be any different than anything else.
A major driving factor is that all airlines would love to remove the liability that comes with allowing one of their employees to crash their aircraft, the manufacturers have been catering to this need for decades with automation. This places the blame on the manufacturer, weather or maintenance.
We can't stop this progress.
As it stands now with FANS, pilots recieve commands to the FMS (easily converted to a digital command sent strait to the FCC).
How hard do you really think it is to automate or remotely control, flaps spoilers etc? Childs play.
The easy argument I hear over and over is will passengers trust to fly on a UAV... Not tomorrow.
I can see this happening in steps,
- police operated UAV's at your local airport.
- Military operating heavy UAV freighters, then pax.
- UAV freighters operating for freight companies, Fred Smith From FedEx has already said he would do it w/o question.
- The F/O is replaced with a dog.. haha..NO we go to a single pilot completely autonomous aircraft that can be controled by the PIC if need be.
- The heavy pax UAV with humans monitoring from the ground.
The hard argument is how safe are the communications to ensure safe flight. Well just like anything elese we have built another man can and will destroy it, why should it be any different than anything else.
A major driving factor is that all airlines would love to remove the liability that comes with allowing one of their employees to crash their aircraft, the manufacturers have been catering to this need for decades with automation. This places the blame on the manufacturer, weather or maintenance.
We can't stop this progress.
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Thankyou to Wolfman3415, Bornfreee & grounded27 for your fantastic posts & belief that it may happen or it will happen.
It's so nice to know that their are many more people out their on the same wave length as myself & that it seems this subject to be on the progression as we speak.
Yes i totally agreee 100% with the poster who mentioined about the military being pioneers of many systems that evenyually are taken up by Civil aicraft. Your reference to HUD's is perfect. Another reference to driverless trains was perfect also & i had mentioned a long way back in my earlier posts driverless trains & driverless mining trucks & soon to be driverless road vehicles.
Maybe i am wrong with my thoughts that pilotless commercial aircraft will transition into our skies within the next 5-10 years however i truly believe it will happen soon enough & yes it may well start out with freighter aircraft first then if all safe & well PAX aircraft.
If you can be on one side of the world on holidays while you house is on the other side of the world & with your smart phone control your garden sprinklers & home security system & see on live CC TV fotage that your cat or dog has enough food & water in its self serving bowls then i cant see why commercial aircraft cant become pilotless in the future & controlled by a ground station & possibly even using a smart phone App.
I too believe that aircraft engineering at the airport terminal will go the same way in future. Their will still be a requirement to do a walk around & top up the eng oils & fix the odd chair & so on however i believe that many engineers will work from a ground control station & monitor/clear defects while the aircraft is in flight or on ground. This will make turn arounds much faster as more can be done before the aircraft has even landed at its next destination.
Some aircraft engineers may be able to work from their own home, logged onto their airlines online portal & monitor/clear aircraft defects & then electronically certify the aircraft tech log. Doctors & specialist have been consulting like this for some time now.
I suppose the other big problem with all of this pilotless aircraft business going on is how will TOM CRUISE make the movie TOP GUN NUMBER II ? Maybe TOMMY CRUISE will have to sit in a ground control station & control an unmanned drone off an aircraft carrier to go up & scare that MIG away.
Maybe TOMMY CRUISE will hi 5 everyone in the ground control station & say I HAVE THE NEED FOR "UNMANNED DRONES" YEEEEEEHAAAAAAAA!
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It's so nice to know that their are many more people out their on the same wave length as myself & that it seems this subject to be on the progression as we speak.
Yes i totally agreee 100% with the poster who mentioined about the military being pioneers of many systems that evenyually are taken up by Civil aicraft. Your reference to HUD's is perfect. Another reference to driverless trains was perfect also & i had mentioned a long way back in my earlier posts driverless trains & driverless mining trucks & soon to be driverless road vehicles.
Maybe i am wrong with my thoughts that pilotless commercial aircraft will transition into our skies within the next 5-10 years however i truly believe it will happen soon enough & yes it may well start out with freighter aircraft first then if all safe & well PAX aircraft.
If you can be on one side of the world on holidays while you house is on the other side of the world & with your smart phone control your garden sprinklers & home security system & see on live CC TV fotage that your cat or dog has enough food & water in its self serving bowls then i cant see why commercial aircraft cant become pilotless in the future & controlled by a ground station & possibly even using a smart phone App.
I too believe that aircraft engineering at the airport terminal will go the same way in future. Their will still be a requirement to do a walk around & top up the eng oils & fix the odd chair & so on however i believe that many engineers will work from a ground control station & monitor/clear defects while the aircraft is in flight or on ground. This will make turn arounds much faster as more can be done before the aircraft has even landed at its next destination.
Some aircraft engineers may be able to work from their own home, logged onto their airlines online portal & monitor/clear aircraft defects & then electronically certify the aircraft tech log. Doctors & specialist have been consulting like this for some time now.
I suppose the other big problem with all of this pilotless aircraft business going on is how will TOM CRUISE make the movie TOP GUN NUMBER II ? Maybe TOMMY CRUISE will have to sit in a ground control station & control an unmanned drone off an aircraft carrier to go up & scare that MIG away.
Maybe TOMMY CRUISE will hi 5 everyone in the ground control station & say I HAVE THE NEED FOR "UNMANNED DRONES" YEEEEEEHAAAAAAAA!
Chock Chucker
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Gday imperial shifter,
I love a happy ending also.
By all means drink your beer & please let the kids have you password. The kids are better at technological advances than you & i & its a good way for them to earn their pocket money & learn life skills. Got a problem with your smart phone, smart TV or Computer/Tablet give it to a 5 year old kid & he/she will have it fixed in no time.
I recogn the kids would have a good crack at monitoring & clearing aircraft defects in a ground station & have it all nutted out quick smart. Start them at the age of 5 & many will be the CEO's of ground station OPS by the age of 10.
The kids are doing a pretty god job at present flying their radio controlled planes, helicopters & drones with HD cameras strapped to them over our neighbourhoods, spying through our house windows, spying in our backyards & so on.
Gone are the days of the old style peeping tom.
Chock Chucker.
I love a happy ending also.
By all means drink your beer & please let the kids have you password. The kids are better at technological advances than you & i & its a good way for them to earn their pocket money & learn life skills. Got a problem with your smart phone, smart TV or Computer/Tablet give it to a 5 year old kid & he/she will have it fixed in no time.
I recogn the kids would have a good crack at monitoring & clearing aircraft defects in a ground station & have it all nutted out quick smart. Start them at the age of 5 & many will be the CEO's of ground station OPS by the age of 10.
The kids are doing a pretty god job at present flying their radio controlled planes, helicopters & drones with HD cameras strapped to them over our neighbourhoods, spying through our house windows, spying in our backyards & so on.
Gone are the days of the old style peeping tom.
Chock Chucker.
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What would be gained by pilotless flights in commercial aviation? Pilot in the air or pilot on the ground.... Still requires a pilot so airlines save nothing.
It's different in military situation where risk is seriously reduced by remote piloting of aircraft
It's different in military situation where risk is seriously reduced by remote piloting of aircraft
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Thanks for your reply.
The first gain for pilotless commercial aircraft are i believe that if pilotless commerical aircraft were in operation i dont believe 911 would have occured. Please read my earlier posts to this thread for the reason around my belief.
The savings for airlines would be massive as at present you have 2 pilots per commercial aircraft. F/O & Captain & on some older aircraft a flight engineer also.
With a pilotless aircraft system in place run by ground control OPS, pilots may be required to monitor/rectify any issues if needed.
In the ground control OPS 1 pilot can monitor/rectify issues on multiple aircraft at the 1 time, just like an air traffic controller can control aircraft movements for multiple aircraft at 1 time.
Just the same as our modern cargo container shiping ports now use control towers where 6-8 people work using radio control or GPS tracking co-ordinates to operate loading & unloading cranes on multiple cargo ships at the 1 time.
Years ago it was 1 crane operator in the port would operate 1 crane, now 1 operator in the control tower can operate multiple cranes at the 1 time for load & unload functions. This has allowed cargo ships turn times to greatly reduce & shipping ports to load & unload many more container ships than in the past.
Their is the money savings, less employees with higher productivity & hopefully a flow on from this will be cheaper airfares.
Chock Chucker
Thanks for your reply.
The first gain for pilotless commercial aircraft are i believe that if pilotless commerical aircraft were in operation i dont believe 911 would have occured. Please read my earlier posts to this thread for the reason around my belief.
The savings for airlines would be massive as at present you have 2 pilots per commercial aircraft. F/O & Captain & on some older aircraft a flight engineer also.
With a pilotless aircraft system in place run by ground control OPS, pilots may be required to monitor/rectify any issues if needed.
In the ground control OPS 1 pilot can monitor/rectify issues on multiple aircraft at the 1 time, just like an air traffic controller can control aircraft movements for multiple aircraft at 1 time.
Just the same as our modern cargo container shiping ports now use control towers where 6-8 people work using radio control or GPS tracking co-ordinates to operate loading & unloading cranes on multiple cargo ships at the 1 time.
Years ago it was 1 crane operator in the port would operate 1 crane, now 1 operator in the control tower can operate multiple cranes at the 1 time for load & unload functions. This has allowed cargo ships turn times to greatly reduce & shipping ports to load & unload many more container ships than in the past.
Their is the money savings, less employees with higher productivity & hopefully a flow on from this will be cheaper airfares.
Chock Chucker
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What would be gained by pilotless flights in commercial aviation? Pilot in the air or pilot on the ground.... Still requires a pilot so airlines save nothing.
It's different in military situation where risk is seriously reduced by remote piloting of aircraft
It's different in military situation where risk is seriously reduced by remote piloting of aircraft
Just to clarify, the goal out there is for completely automated flight.
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Correct grounded27,
Yes for sure 1 ground station pilot could monitor/control dozens of aircraft. The sky is the limit depending on (limitations put in place by aviation authorities) & the work load per pilot. This would all have to be tested & worked through to get the right balance.
Would be possibly similar senario with air traffic controllers, they take care of X amount of flights at 1 time however if things get to hot with 1 or more aircraft they do have the option to pass off some flights to another air traffic controller to lighten the load.
Correct the aim of the game is to move towards complete automation with eventually no pilots required in cockpit or on ground. I do believe this will eventually be the case as new technologies arise & systems become so much more enhanced & improved.
I'm sure Air traffic control will eventually become more automated with fewer employees required & same goes for aircraft engineering at the terminal.
Chock Chucker.
Yes for sure 1 ground station pilot could monitor/control dozens of aircraft. The sky is the limit depending on (limitations put in place by aviation authorities) & the work load per pilot. This would all have to be tested & worked through to get the right balance.
Would be possibly similar senario with air traffic controllers, they take care of X amount of flights at 1 time however if things get to hot with 1 or more aircraft they do have the option to pass off some flights to another air traffic controller to lighten the load.
Correct the aim of the game is to move towards complete automation with eventually no pilots required in cockpit or on ground. I do believe this will eventually be the case as new technologies arise & systems become so much more enhanced & improved.
I'm sure Air traffic control will eventually become more automated with fewer employees required & same goes for aircraft engineering at the terminal.
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Just like we need aircrew in pilotless fighter aircraft & pilotless drones. NOT!!!
No one seems to mind pilotless fighter aircraft that carry missiles & bombs & so on & pilotless drones that spy/fight wars & arial patrol our neighbourhoods & beaches & countries borders & so on.
No one seems to mind pilotless fighter aircraft that carry missiles & bombs & so on & pilotless drones that spy/fight wars & arial patrol our neighbourhoods & beaches & countries borders & so on.
The USAF recently cut back significantly their planned acquisition and use of the Global Hawk because time was revealing it was more expensive and no more responsive than the manned surveillance platforms it replaced.
No one seems to mind self service checkin at the airport nor buying their own airline ticket online with no assistance from the airline or travel agent. Havent times changed from the way we used to do things in the airline industry.
No one seems to mind self service food & drink machines on modern aircraft that have reduced the cabin crew employees number per aircraft even with larger aircraft that carry more passengers.
No one seems to mind self service food & drink machines on modern aircraft that have reduced the cabin crew employees number per aircraft even with larger aircraft that carry more passengers.
So really what seems to be the problem then with pilotless commercial aircraft & why would so many of you still think that pilots will always be needed in the copit ? Seems very old fashion to me.
Did we always think that dirt would be required to grow plants/fruits/vegetables & so on ? How about hydroponic plants/fruits & vegetables grown in PVC tubes with roots submerged only in flowing liquid fertiliser soultion. We all buy this produce today in our supermakets & i can imagin the person that first pioneered the Hydroponic idear some time ago was laughed at by many & told it would not be possible & your wasting your time & it will never happen.
The moral of the story is WHO GETS THE LAST LAUGH.
Ive got to go now, gee i'm really hungry, might make myself a tuna & salad sandwith, Tuna from the fish farm sold in the supermarket & the sald from the supermaket that has been hydroponicaly grown & Bread from the supermarket with many of the ingredients modified & grown very differently from the way they were grown in the past.
GEE havent times changed but many of you forget that & still live in the (IT WILL ALWAYS BE LIKE THIS & WILL NEVER CHANGE) past.
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Did we always think that dirt would be required to grow plants/fruits/vegetables & so on ? How about hydroponic plants/fruits & vegetables grown in PVC tubes with roots submerged only in flowing liquid fertiliser soultion. We all buy this produce today in our supermakets & i can imagin the person that first pioneered the Hydroponic idear some time ago was laughed at by many & told it would not be possible & your wasting your time & it will never happen.
The moral of the story is WHO GETS THE LAST LAUGH.
Ive got to go now, gee i'm really hungry, might make myself a tuna & salad sandwith, Tuna from the fish farm sold in the supermarket & the sald from the supermaket that has been hydroponicaly grown & Bread from the supermarket with many of the ingredients modified & grown very differently from the way they were grown in the past.
GEE havent times changed but many of you forget that & still live in the (IT WILL ALWAYS BE LIKE THIS & WILL NEVER CHANGE) past.
Chock Chucker
Replacement Service Unit has just been installed and now takes care of all routine and heavy maintenance functions. No need to worry though, the computer that will take care of issuing your welfare payments should be just fine, no need to technical support any more.
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Thankyou pilot and apprentice,
Could i please ask you to read back through all of the posts on this thread before you post silly comments like i have mentioned below.
"Why would you think i am under the impression that aircraft never have snags when i am a Licensed Aircraft Engineer myself" ? This thread i started has nothing to do with my professional relationships with Pilots/LAMEs & so on.
Yes those references i used to automation in the aviation industry that you have outlined dont involve loss of life if systems fail however we must think that as the automation contuinues as it will peoples mindsets change & accept that this is the new way we live life.
Your reference to automated pilotless aircraft & automated aircraft maintenance i couldnt agree more that most of this will probably go this way in the not to distant future.
No one seemed to mind when Flight Engineers were no longer required in cockpits on most modern airline aircraft. No one yelled OMG where all going to die now & i'm never going to fly on a modern aircraft unless it has a Flight Engineer based in the cockpit. Just another reference to the increasing automation in the aviation industry. Who will be next to go in the automation drive, F/O, Captain ? or both at the same time ?
I too possibly stand to loose my job as a Licensed Aircraft Engineer in future if my predictions of automation in the aviation industry come true.
It's the way of life, old jobs are phazed out while new jobs arise.
Chock Chucker
Could i please ask you to read back through all of the posts on this thread before you post silly comments like i have mentioned below.
"Why would you think i am under the impression that aircraft never have snags when i am a Licensed Aircraft Engineer myself" ? This thread i started has nothing to do with my professional relationships with Pilots/LAMEs & so on.
Yes those references i used to automation in the aviation industry that you have outlined dont involve loss of life if systems fail however we must think that as the automation contuinues as it will peoples mindsets change & accept that this is the new way we live life.
Your reference to automated pilotless aircraft & automated aircraft maintenance i couldnt agree more that most of this will probably go this way in the not to distant future.
No one seemed to mind when Flight Engineers were no longer required in cockpits on most modern airline aircraft. No one yelled OMG where all going to die now & i'm never going to fly on a modern aircraft unless it has a Flight Engineer based in the cockpit. Just another reference to the increasing automation in the aviation industry. Who will be next to go in the automation drive, F/O, Captain ? or both at the same time ?
I too possibly stand to loose my job as a Licensed Aircraft Engineer in future if my predictions of automation in the aviation industry come true.
It's the way of life, old jobs are phazed out while new jobs arise.
Chock Chucker
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Thanks Tarq57,
If you dont have anything of interest to bring to this thread weather your opinions or thoughts are for or against pilotless commercial aircraft then please dont post on this thread anymore.
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If you dont have anything of interest to bring to this thread weather your opinions or thoughts are for or against pilotless commercial aircraft then please dont post on this thread anymore.
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No one seems to mind self service checkin at the airport nor buying their own airline ticket online with no assistance from the airline or travel agent.
No one seems to mind self service food & drink machines on modern aircraft that have reduced the cabin crew employees number per aircraft even with larger aircraft that carry more passengers.
No one seems to mind self service food & drink machines on modern aircraft that have reduced the cabin crew employees number per aircraft even with larger aircraft that carry more passengers.
I am not aware by the way of self service food and drink machines on aircraft - this may just be something I've not come across and maybe it does exist. Anyone?
If you dont have anything of interest to bring to this thread weather your opinions or thoughts are for or against pilotless commercial aircraft then please dont post on this thread anymore.
Could i please ask you to read back through all of the posts on this thread before you post silly comments like i have mentioned below.
Could i please ask you to read back through all of the posts on this thread before you post silly comments like i have mentioned below.
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Capetonian,
It was you that posted on my thread a few posts back & mentioned that you would not waste your time anymore & not enter into anymore post on this discussion. You also wished me all the best.
Then please follow your own word & make no futrther posts on this thread.
I cannot believe you have never heard of self service food & drink facilities on new airline aircraft. Just like you claim to have never heard of the Jetsons Cartoon.
Just look at cabin photos of Qantas & some other airlines A380 & you will see the self service food & drink facilities. Get up out of your own seat & serve yourself. It has reduced the number of cabin crew per aircraft in such aircraft types. Soon enough cabin crew will be phazed out also.
I hope you know who the Wright Brothers are. You really need to globalise & educate yourself Capetonian.
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It was you that posted on my thread a few posts back & mentioned that you would not waste your time anymore & not enter into anymore post on this discussion. You also wished me all the best.
Then please follow your own word & make no futrther posts on this thread.
I cannot believe you have never heard of self service food & drink facilities on new airline aircraft. Just like you claim to have never heard of the Jetsons Cartoon.
Just look at cabin photos of Qantas & some other airlines A380 & you will see the self service food & drink facilities. Get up out of your own seat & serve yourself. It has reduced the number of cabin crew per aircraft in such aircraft types. Soon enough cabin crew will be phazed out also.
I hope you know who the Wright Brothers are. You really need to globalise & educate yourself Capetonian.
Chock Chucker
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