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Old 21st Oct 2011, 15:20
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EASA Part 66 B1-Help

Hii everyone,

I want to join EASA part 66 B1 classes & I need some suggestions from you guys. What I would become after completing this course an engineer or just a mechanic. What's the time period of the entire course. Is there any part of the job to fly with the crew. How much would be I paid.I want to apply to qatar airways after completing the course. Will I get a degree or just a license.


I would wait for your kind response.
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Old 21st Oct 2011, 16:28
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Hi imm
I'v been in the industry for 3 three years and Hope I can answer your questions.
''What I would become after completing this course an engineer or just a mechanic?''
Once you're done from the theoritical course you have to get a job and have work as a mechanic for 2 years and log all the work done in a logbook to complete the requirment for the license issuance and forward it to the UKCAA together with your theoritical course certificate and then based on your company requirments you may become an engineer in where you work and be sponsored for a type course or you may get an A1 approval which renders you a licensed mechanic that can sign off the routine tasks or may get nothing and be a technician for an unknown period it all comes down to your company requirment, Thats presuming you got a job of course and there is a likelihood that you stay home and not make it to even having a license (I'v seen such cases) given the scarsity in job vacancies lately.

""What's the time period of the entire course""
All in all roughly 4 years, Theoritical course is roughly 2 years long compounded with the practical phase which is another 2 years.

""Is there any part of the job to fly with the crew""
No.

""How much would be I paid""
It purely depends on your employer and position in the company, If you're a technician expect a fitter pay if you're a licensed mechanic expect a quite a bit more pay than the latter and if you're a full B1 engineer expect an engineer pay.

Qatar airways as far as I know are saturated however it's worth a try and if I was you I would first try to find an airline that offers an apprenticeship and get in as an apprentice that is sponsored by the company, or if thats not possible I would try to get in as a mechanic (you don't need to do any course to match the legal requirments of an aircraft mechanic post in the industry) and get some hands on expertise of atleast 1 year and secure my job then take an unpaid leave and go for this course or accumulate my leaves and do it otherwise It's a huge stake especially if you don't find a job after having completed the course then the whole lot of money that you paid will go wasted as doing a theoritical course without work experience is worth jack squat companies always favor experienced mechanics over the unexperienced folks with this kind of certificate which is worthless on it's own to the companies.

""Will I get a degree or just a license""
Just a license which expires if you don't work for 3 years.
And a part 66 modules certificate which again expires and has to be reobtained if you don't work for 5 years after obtaining it.

Advice:
This is not a fancy job you wouldn't be sitting in a fancy office even if you're an engineer you'll have to get greased up and work on the spanners and take the huge stake of releasing aircraft at the expense of you and if anything happens to the aircraft due to your mistake be prepared to be sacked and jailed, plus there is always the propability of staying jobless after completing the theoritical part if you're doing it when you're not yet employed and have 0 expertise, Its a very delicate industry so think twice before making a decision and investing your money into it.
Good luck and if you have any other questions feel free to ask
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Old 21st Oct 2011, 17:05
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Its really nice of your kind response. Really thanful to you. Being honest to you I really want to become a pilot but I can't pay for ppl to cpl. I really love aircrafts I dnt want to work outside airport nor I want to work somewhere else where aircraft are not related. I have found a training institute where I can pay for EASA part 66 B1. I want to earn for my ppl & cpl through the job I will get by EASA part 66 B1
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Old 21st Oct 2011, 17:18
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Then go for the ppl&cpl directly as you won't earn the engineer pay for the first 5 years atleast of your career let alone studying for 2 years with no experience and spending lots of money for a risky path, or try to apply for an aircraft mechanic post in qatar airways or you can apply for a cabin crew post aswell in qatar airways to save money plus you will always be working alongside the aircraft plus save money for what you want to do.
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By the way most pilots I have stumbled across are ex cabin crew that saved money and became pilots later on.
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Old 21st Oct 2011, 19:02
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I can't pay for ppl&cpl. I belong to a working class family & I lost my father. I can pay for EASA by the pension we are getting since he is death. Do u got any idea in amount hw much I will be paid.
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Ok mate your personal life is none of my concern.
Mechanics in where I work earn $2400 a month with the allowances and all.
licensed mechanics (A1 approved earn about$ 3200).
B1 engineers earn around $5300.
Expats earn more than that because they have other allowances such as housing.....etc.
Note you cannot be a B1 approved engineer in where I work unless if you have 5 years of work experience as a mechanic and 1 year of A1 signing atleast even if you have a license.
Thats on the basis of my employer, It largely varies from one employer to another so I cannot generalize.

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Old 21st Oct 2011, 22:03
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Thanks a lot for your kind help...


What u think about a diploma in aerospace engineering or ease part 66 B1.

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Old 22nd Oct 2011, 09:36
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One will get you a job and one will not.
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Old 22nd Oct 2011, 10:16
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Which one will not get me a job....
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Old 22nd Oct 2011, 12:47
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getting all the modules by the end of your theoretical study (part 147) you will need only two year practical experience to became a B1 engineer. if you dont get the modules then you will stay as a mechanic .

engineers have a better job prospect and higher salaries
mechanics will do engineers dirty work and get a reasonable wage.
no offence to any mechanics i have been there my self.

by the way its not the degree that will get you the jobs but the modules in this industry
The diploma in aerospace engineering will possibly get you a job in an office in an airline
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Old 22nd Oct 2011, 13:11
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Thanks a lot but what you mean by Part 147 I want to go for part 66 EASA.
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universities like kingston, bristol, perth have (approved 147 easa) courses that will provide you with the theory behind the aircrafts. each one is consider to be a module. ie module 1 is math, 2 physics, 3 electrics and so on.

if you deside to go thru a university course then you only need to 2 years after completing of plactical exprierience(on the job training)

if not throu uni course then you will have to find an approved material read it your self and go to special training centers like CAA in gatwick or KLM in Norwich, or Bristol ie to sit the exam. after completing ALL THE MODULES i think you require 5 years to be a B1. so uni save you a year but provides you a better way to learn about aircrafts
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Kingston is a University with Part 147 approval, and runs a Foundation Degree course in Aeronautical Engineering, or some similar title. The syllabus covers the EASA Part 66 Modules for Cat B1 and maybe B2. At the end of the course you have an EASA Basic Training Certificate and a Foundation Degree.

City of Bristol College, Perth, Newcastle, Barry and others are Colleges with Part 147 approval and run courses which combine BTEC and City & Guilds courses which also cover the Module and Practical syllabuses for EASA Part 66 Modules for Cat B1 and maybe B2. At the end of the course you have an EASA Practical Training Certificate and various BTEC and C&G certificates.

For the aspiring aircraft maintenance engineer the two outcomes are precisely the same. You keep the Basic Training Certificate and go and do 2 years work experience, after which you can apply for an EASA Pt 66 AME Licence. You can paper the toilet with the other certificates.

The reason why, in the UK, the EASA Part 66 course is disguised as Foundation Degree, BTEC, City & Guilds etc courses is because the British Government does not recognise the EASA qualification as a vocational qualification.

Someone needs to rattle the Government's cage to put this extraordinary anomaly right. That someone is the CAA, of course, but it's tea-time and then time to go home, so they'll carry on pretending that it's someone else's job to sort it out as they have done for the last decade.

The fully approved 2400 hour Part 66 Cat B course provided by Kingston and the Colleges comprises 3 elements, the Modules, Practical Training, and 400 hours OJT. (Practical training is done in a training workshop, OJT is supervised work on operational aircraft monitored by the Part 147 school.)

The Basic certificate is only awarded after all 3 elements are completed. Beware schools which do not guarantee all 3 elements within the course price, and then suggest that students must find their own OJT.

The alternative non-approved course route is to study for and take all the Module exams within a 5 years period. Instead of the Practical Training and OJT elements, you must have 5 years relevant work experience logged before you can apply for the EASA Pt 66 AME Licence with the Module exam certificates.. The study and work can of course be concurrent, and many people combine working to get the work experience, with home and/or part-time classroom study to get the Modules.

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Old 22nd Oct 2011, 18:42
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I personaly prefer the alternative non-approved course route as you would be already employed, Have the chance to save money out of your wage and not having to take loans, wouldn't worry much about being jobless after spending your money and have a good hands on skill.
2 years of experience is not enough in my opinion for someone to release aircraft.
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Old 22nd Oct 2011, 19:52
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FLAME i think its better going thru uni. i finished at kingston and even if i was missing 3 modules at completion couldnt find a decent paying job.
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Old 22nd Oct 2011, 20:34
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^^thanks....Got confuse now. If I go to uni what would makew it better forn just a training institute...
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Old 23rd Oct 2011, 05:46
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Hi lochias
Whether someone goes to university or not they will never be B1 approved with merely 2 years experience I can't think of any airline that approves 2 years experienced folks that have just come out of university, It could be a good shortcut to get a license but you wouldn't be an engineer in 2 years you'll still have to put up with the spanners work for a good period of 5 years atleast and thats speaking out of personal experience in our airline there are around 4 guys with a full b1 license and have been in the company for 3 years and they're still mechanics, The managment has been reluctant to issue them even an A1 approval yet let alone a full B1 so it wouldn't make any difference plus if you're employed already you wouldn't worry about yourself being prone to be jobless because your job is there already all you need to do is pass your examinations and finally one will manage to save more money in this way since these kind of courses are not cheap.
The guy in question is planning to apply for qatar airways and I know with full certainty that they have the same mindset as our company that is no shortcuts to become an engineer he'll have to jump through hoops.
Anyways thats just my perspective.

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Old 23rd Oct 2011, 07:43
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Flame i understand what you are saying but the reason that they 4 B1 enginners are not approve with in your company is down to your company procedures. i have gone thru a Part 147 training my self (Kingston /KLM Norwich) and got the 2 years experience and now i am a B1 enginner. now my company recently issued me with more task approval, and as i have completed a A320 type course i believe after vilidating the course to my license i will be off with full CRS for A320 Family.
if i was still gonna go thru apprentiship i would have still have only Cat A approval with limited privilages.
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Have you gone through a board oral examination before becoming an engineer?
In where I work after having met the legal requirments to become an engineer experience wise (5 years experience) and qualification wise (license and a type rate) you have to sit for a board examination and be questioned by 3 guys, The quality manager, Training manager and a senior duty manager and not untill you satisfy them with your knowledge and experience you will never be an engineer.
Cyprus airlines are way diffrent than the middle east big airlines I must tell you and since the guy lives in qatar I don't think that the companies that he's likely to come across are that lax in issuing approvals.
Another point is, Have a look at how many threads posted lately by people struggling to find work, You might have joined the industry 2 years ago when there was no recession and are lucky to have gotten through with minimal experience and I myself have joined 3 years ago but nowadays it's very difficult to find work and if he's going to spend all this money on the course without securing his employment then his future will be a grey area just like the guys posting threads out here asking for assistance in seeking out work.
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