Transport Canada M1/M2 to EASA B1?
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Transport Canada M1/M2 to EASA B1?
Hi Guys,
Looking for clarification on the experience requirements of obtaining an EASA License.
I am a Licensed Transport Canada M1/M2 AME. In Canada that is the fullest privilege license one can obtain. You still need specific type courses for turbine powered helicopters and transport size aircraft.
I work and have type ratings on turbine helicopters.
They want proof of 5 years experience.
From what I understand, one has to have all of this experience signed by someone who already holds an EASA License. How is this possible if you work under a different authority?
Looking for clarification on the experience requirements of obtaining an EASA License.
I am a Licensed Transport Canada M1/M2 AME. In Canada that is the fullest privilege license one can obtain. You still need specific type courses for turbine powered helicopters and transport size aircraft.
I work and have type ratings on turbine helicopters.
They want proof of 5 years experience.
From what I understand, one has to have all of this experience signed by someone who already holds an EASA License. How is this possible if you work under a different authority?
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There you'd find that you're not likely to get all the required 5 years (for modular, self paced exam passing) recognised. More likely 25% of non-EASA MRO's experience.
Oh, I could only wish to have your experience. 8 of EASA exams passed, out of 13 for B1.1, but I want to do the helicopter as well.
From reading the EGLD docs, I'd say that people working for big companies that have at least line maintenance covered by part-145 of EASA's country, which is likely on airliners only could get away with having all the required time for full licence.
Oh, if you're French speaker, why not ask French DGCA? UK isn't the only country in Europe and what may be against the values of UK CAA, may be viewed differently in another country.
Welcome to Europe/EASA. Nobody does it the way 'we' do. Licence? Bah. Theory credits and experience. Passing exams only won't cut it.
Oh, I could only wish to have your experience. 8 of EASA exams passed, out of 13 for B1.1, but I want to do the helicopter as well.
From reading the EGLD docs, I'd say that people working for big companies that have at least line maintenance covered by part-145 of EASA's country, which is likely on airliners only could get away with having all the required time for full licence.
Oh, if you're French speaker, why not ask French DGCA? UK isn't the only country in Europe and what may be against the values of UK CAA, may be viewed differently in another country.
Welcome to Europe/EASA. Nobody does it the way 'we' do. Licence? Bah. Theory credits and experience. Passing exams only won't cut it.
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Oh I know I have to take all the exams....I accept that.
But I am just wondering about "proving" your experience.
I work for a helicopter operator on my own out in the field.
But I am just wondering about "proving" your experience.
I work for a helicopter operator on my own out in the field.
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I have used my SOEs (work experience sheets) for four different country licenses over the past 35 years or so. Each maintenance task was witnessed by a person who was qualified to over sign, being either licensed in that type for the country I worked and at that company, or was in a senior maintenance position with the company, i.e. Chief Engineer.
You cannot wind back time to meet new needs. The work you record for past experience would have been over signed by a suitably qualified person, and that should be meet EASA needs.
As a last comment I did the CASA CTC exam and my work experience sheets were all copied for file by CASA and I had to make an affidavit as to the authenticity of my SOEs, a few of which were not over signed but provable to be true.
You cannot wind back time to meet new needs. The work you record for past experience would have been over signed by a suitably qualified person, and that should be meet EASA needs.
As a last comment I did the CASA CTC exam and my work experience sheets were all copied for file by CASA and I had to make an affidavit as to the authenticity of my SOEs, a few of which were not over signed but provable to be true.
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PB, yeah, it's not just about clear record of work and tasks done.
In EASA system, it's about experience from EASA country part-145 maintenance..
Only some non-EASA experience can be considered OK and the rest depends on individual case and especially specific country's CAA.
Yeah, some sort of common sense would be nice, but then, this is Europe..
In EASA system, it's about experience from EASA country part-145 maintenance..
Only some non-EASA experience can be considered OK and the rest depends on individual case and especially specific country's CAA.Yeah, some sort of common sense would be nice, but then, this is Europe..
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Mr MartinCh,
FYI , the name of the French CAA is DGAC , that stands for Direction Generale de l'Aviation Civile ...
DGCA is the name of an ex-British colony CAA...
UK CAA not the best one to speak with ...
MLHeliwrench , send me a PM , i will give you the right contact in France and FYI , everything about licensing in France is free , out of charge ...
The French mind is not to make money on the back of workers , compared to some others europeans countries , mostly the one whom money is not the euro ...
Rgds.
FYI , the name of the French CAA is DGAC , that stands for Direction Generale de l'Aviation Civile ...
DGCA is the name of an ex-British colony CAA...
UK CAA not the best one to speak with ...
MLHeliwrench , send me a PM , i will give you the right contact in France and FYI , everything about licensing in France is free , out of charge ...
The French mind is not to make money on the back of workers , compared to some others europeans countries , mostly the one whom money is not the euro ...
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Spanners,
I am so happy for you ...
EGT,
Is it the reason why many of you are coming to my country to work and been scre.ed for 11 € an hour ...?
Gents , i am so sad and disappointed for RR.
Is it a British company ?
I am so happy for you ...
EGT,
Is it the reason why many of you are coming to my country to work and been scre.ed for 11 € an hour ...?
Gents , i am so sad and disappointed for RR.
Is it a British company ?
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Sorry spanners,
i did not notice the smiley ... my big own fault.
Ah , English humour ...
MLHeliwrench,
Experience is experience and the DGAC can understand this.
EGT , are you sure that you know what you are talking about ?
An approval is an approval and a license is a license ...
Can you see the difference between both ?
i did not notice the smiley ... my big own fault.
Ah , English humour ...
MLHeliwrench,
Experience is experience and the DGAC can understand this.
EGT , are you sure that you know what you are talking about ?
An approval is an approval and a license is a license ...
Can you see the difference between both ?
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Maybe French MRO's are undercutting everybody else, thus the 11 euros for your connies. Brits are going there because there isn't the work over here! Doesn't bother me cos I work for the best MRO in Europe!
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Oh, I forgot that flavour of the A C D G letters, pertaining to France (in alphabetic order). Maybe I talked too much about Spanish speaking countries past year. 
I'll try to use the phrase 'relevant NAA', to avoid the confusion with UK CAA.
Now that UK CAA have been screwing things up for pilots, it's about time to bother AME training as well.
Over the past two, three weeks, we've been told by the lecturers that we are (many already had it done) using the books that have practice revision questions - obviously, to test acquired knowledge from the lectures, so it has to be removed from the books, else the ICAT part-147 approval for B1 gets pulled.
Very, very bluntly. On what grounds? Some past (MEANING graduated), very likely Malaysian, oops, my PC goes to bin (majority of us there are non-British anyway), sent ILLEGAL recording of lecture moaning to UK CAA about whatever.
So, we're told that recording is illegal, but yet UK CAA acts on grounds of illegal dubious recording/claim and telling ICAT to remove the practice questions from books (small number compared to the whole QB). The fact that the books are in fact property of students from past year first years including, part of Uni of Glamorgan fees (UoG and Barry's ICAT course), matters nothing.
Nor the fact that the teaching materials changed a little since the approval was granted, nor the fact that Kroes/Wild or Dingle/Tooley books etc etc have all revision questions, just as EVERY OTHER part-147 B1 training estabilishment.
So, students at ICAT are being punished and unfairly treated by UK CAA unilaterally, threatening to pull the approval. The removal of questions started week ago.
I'd like to hear of that kind of retarded unfair behaviour towards other colleges that does not hold any water, no real reasoning behind.
Oh, it is claimed in that 'anonymous' whistleblowing crap (and I use the term very loosely) that lecturers teach students to pass the exams, with the practice questions.
OH IS THAT SO? We're on the course NOT TO PASS the exams???
What the
is that then?
What about all the ATPL theory training schools, residential or distance study?
They've got pretty much whole question banks, including very effective feedback, yet nothing of this sort of unfair threatening and ordering from UK CAA? How come? Unlike the engineering theory students, they can pass the exams by rote learning of questions and answers. There is no such thing in part-66 training. The questions are not published. The practice questions circulating online aren't all and many have poor wording and wrong asnwers as correct, as anyone could see.
It's not just about making backup of the revision and letting the college to cut it out, it's about principle. They've got nothing real and serious to deal with or what?
Crying out and threatening college/students that something that was OK and known in the past suddenly isn't OK? Especially for one and only college because of unauthorised recording sent out by anonymous graduate that had some chip on shoulder with some lecturers?
I've been off sick recently, so haven't had my books trimmed yet. I feel like refusing this nonsense (agreed on by lecturing staff as well, but hey, they do what they're told by upper ICAT management, who do what they're told by UK CAA, whatever rubbish it is), seeing if the college would actually sack me from the course.
Which is officially run by University of Glamorgan, that subcontracts it to Barry College's ICAT, who have part-147 approval.
Or maybe we should all bow, put the head down and take all the bollocking from UK CAA there is, as they can do what they please, innit? To save the headache, ICAT jobs etc?
I guess I should start new topic in engineering forum about this, to let everyone see this nonsense.
I'll try to use the phrase 'relevant NAA', to avoid the confusion with UK CAA.
Now that UK CAA have been screwing things up for pilots, it's about time to bother AME training as well.
Over the past two, three weeks, we've been told by the lecturers that we are (many already had it done) using the books that have practice revision questions - obviously, to test acquired knowledge from the lectures, so it has to be removed from the books, else the ICAT part-147 approval for B1 gets pulled.
Very, very bluntly. On what grounds? Some past (MEANING graduated), very likely Malaysian, oops, my PC goes to bin (majority of us there are non-British anyway), sent ILLEGAL recording of lecture moaning to UK CAA about whatever.
So, we're told that recording is illegal, but yet UK CAA acts on grounds of illegal dubious recording/claim and telling ICAT to remove the practice questions from books (small number compared to the whole QB). The fact that the books are in fact property of students from past year first years including, part of Uni of Glamorgan fees (UoG and Barry's ICAT course), matters nothing.
Nor the fact that the teaching materials changed a little since the approval was granted, nor the fact that Kroes/Wild or Dingle/Tooley books etc etc have all revision questions, just as EVERY OTHER part-147 B1 training estabilishment.
So, students at ICAT are being punished and unfairly treated by UK CAA unilaterally, threatening to pull the approval. The removal of questions started week ago.
I'd like to hear of that kind of retarded unfair behaviour towards other colleges that does not hold any water, no real reasoning behind.
Oh, it is claimed in that 'anonymous' whistleblowing crap (and I use the term very loosely) that lecturers teach students to pass the exams, with the practice questions.
OH IS THAT SO? We're on the course NOT TO PASS the exams???
What the
is that then?What about all the ATPL theory training schools, residential or distance study?
They've got pretty much whole question banks, including very effective feedback, yet nothing of this sort of unfair threatening and ordering from UK CAA? How come? Unlike the engineering theory students, they can pass the exams by rote learning of questions and answers. There is no such thing in part-66 training. The questions are not published. The practice questions circulating online aren't all and many have poor wording and wrong asnwers as correct, as anyone could see.
It's not just about making backup of the revision and letting the college to cut it out, it's about principle. They've got nothing real and serious to deal with or what?
Crying out and threatening college/students that something that was OK and known in the past suddenly isn't OK? Especially for one and only college because of unauthorised recording sent out by anonymous graduate that had some chip on shoulder with some lecturers?
I've been off sick recently, so haven't had my books trimmed yet. I feel like refusing this nonsense (agreed on by lecturing staff as well, but hey, they do what they're told by upper ICAT management, who do what they're told by UK CAA, whatever rubbish it is), seeing if the college would actually sack me from the course.
Which is officially run by University of Glamorgan, that subcontracts it to Barry College's ICAT, who have part-147 approval.
Or maybe we should all bow, put the head down and take all the bollocking from UK CAA there is, as they can do what they please, innit? To save the headache, ICAT jobs etc?
I guess I should start new topic in engineering forum about this, to let everyone see this nonsense.
