Southern....GONE...!
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Southern....GONE...!
Yep...Qantas Regional Airlines Manager is today doing the rounds informing Southerrn Staff as to their future......which for some, means they wont have one.
SAA will be gone by years end.....only MQL Engineering to stay.
Dash 8 Pilots & F/A's to be intergrated into Eastern from May/June.
MEL & MQL bases to stay, with Base protection
From end of the year....no date yet....146 Crews..?...Pilots...some to be offered posistions with NJS....the rest....?????? Nobody knows, however it was pointed out that these crews will NOT be going to Impulse 717 or QF Mainline
146 F/A's....offered interviews with Impulse & NJS.....Subject to meeting their requirements..??..
That's it in a nutshell....The Qantas "Wish List" however they did say there is to be further talks with all Unions.....to finalise some points..??
May I suggest LOTS of Points need to be addressed..!!!!!
SAA will be gone by years end.....only MQL Engineering to stay.
Dash 8 Pilots & F/A's to be intergrated into Eastern from May/June.
MEL & MQL bases to stay, with Base protection
From end of the year....no date yet....146 Crews..?...Pilots...some to be offered posistions with NJS....the rest....?????? Nobody knows, however it was pointed out that these crews will NOT be going to Impulse 717 or QF Mainline
146 F/A's....offered interviews with Impulse & NJS.....Subject to meeting their requirements..??..
That's it in a nutshell....The Qantas "Wish List" however they did say there is to be further talks with all Unions.....to finalise some points..??
May I suggest LOTS of Points need to be addressed..!!!!!
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Sound of it there will be some very stressed people trying to get on with thier jobs while waiting the end result. KD guy's now Southern, what's happining to the regionals? I thought they (SOUTHERN) were a profitable operation can anyone give a reason for these guy's being shutdown?
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CAYNINE: the problem isn't that Southern is not profitable, the problem is that Qantas has 3 airlines doing the same thing different ways.
Unfortunately now it will be cheaper to have 1 airline doing 1 way.
As Southern is small it gets swallowed up first, then over the next 12 months you will see Sunstate and Eastern merge their operations.
Unfortunately now it will be cheaper to have 1 airline doing 1 way.
As Southern is small it gets swallowed up first, then over the next 12 months you will see Sunstate and Eastern merge their operations.
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Sod it. There was an alleged review taking place which most Travel Agents in this part of the world contributed too. Window dressing no doubt.
Now we lose our mates - as they lose their jobs - and have to put up with Qantas Industry Centre - who know nothing and are allowed to do nothing.
Brilliant move Qantas - you have just reduced the last bastion of Airline culture left in your system to a memory.
Our industry is truly shagged. It may not have been making money on paper, but with the predatory mindset of current times was not really allowed to. Also the profits made by feeding the International network and QF mainline would not be factored in as this would have been considered a cross subsidisation and come under the gentle gaze of the ACCC. Star Allianceis busting at the seams trying to get its International feeder network happening again. Wonder why?
All in all a bleeding travesty. We will sorely miss our mates.
We are officially not having fun anymore.
EWL
Now we lose our mates - as they lose their jobs - and have to put up with Qantas Industry Centre - who know nothing and are allowed to do nothing.
Brilliant move Qantas - you have just reduced the last bastion of Airline culture left in your system to a memory.
Our industry is truly shagged. It may not have been making money on paper, but with the predatory mindset of current times was not really allowed to. Also the profits made by feeding the International network and QF mainline would not be factored in as this would have been considered a cross subsidisation and come under the gentle gaze of the ACCC. Star Allianceis busting at the seams trying to get its International feeder network happening again. Wonder why?
All in all a bleeding travesty. We will sorely miss our mates.
We are officially not having fun anymore.
EWL
Although small, Southern is efficient and makes money, but profits or cost savings have not it seems come into this project. Certainly there is a case to gain efficiencies by removing any areas of duplication across the 3 companies and most would say that is a good idea. But when it is sold with little or no truth, then it is bound to have significant problems along the way. The industrial problems that will result if the present direction is permitted to continue will be significant. There is no way the pilot's or FA's will accept this sort of treatment, nor do they deserve it. The battle has only just started. Just hope nobody gets hurt along the way.
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Cog
Only too right.
I know the Agents across NW Tas will be rebelling against the QF decision.
The thing we must be careful of is not to cause more damage by our actions.
It is NOT over until the 1800 number is switched off.
EWL
Only too right.
I know the Agents across NW Tas will be rebelling against the QF decision.
The thing we must be careful of is not to cause more damage by our actions.
It is NOT over until the 1800 number is switched off.
EWL
K9 - From what I hear the "proposal" is NJS or redundancy. Would forced redundancy be by seniority? If so, there would be mass of re-training if it started at the bottom!
It is obvious the AFAP will have something to say on this and I would bet it won't be what QF have proposed. If they choose NJS the future is questionable unless the 146 leases are extended. There is talk some would take a Dash position rather than work for NJS and lose the benefits - but then there may not be any positions to fill. What a mess!
It is obvious the AFAP will have something to say on this and I would bet it won't be what QF have proposed. If they choose NJS the future is questionable unless the 146 leases are extended. There is talk some would take a Dash position rather than work for NJS and lose the benefits - but then there may not be any positions to fill. What a mess!
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Okay, so in a few years time, will we see the number of QF employees down to about a dozen? The rest will work as casuals for an agency that supplies labour to QF....don't dismiss this! Ansett was well down that track when it fell over...ever heard of Flight Force? I'm sure some of you will know that the guy running that for AN is now supplying staff for QF!!
I'm not a great QF fan, but I've nothing against it's staff from middle management down, but don't let them do this to you guys! QF has a great reputation because of it's staff. Amalgamating the individual airlines under it's banner is the very thin end of the wedge, next you'll see most staff under the Impulse award and then the snowball starts to roll.....
I'm not a great QF fan, but I've nothing against it's staff from middle management down, but don't let them do this to you guys! QF has a great reputation because of it's staff. Amalgamating the individual airlines under it's banner is the very thin end of the wedge, next you'll see most staff under the Impulse award and then the snowball starts to roll.....
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This is simply the next phase of the mentality of what began with Wally the (Whiskey Oscar Golf) sitting in the staff room at TN Burnie telling us that TN would not pull out of Wynyard in the forseeable future while enjoying beer we bought ourselves.
The forseeable future was 3 months in which time my wife and I built a house and went on a holiday.
We returned to the news that TAA was pulling out.
Don't believe a word that comes out of head office (and the Humans Remaining Department) good Southern people. Da Wally is not to be trusted and must not be believed - nor should any of his brown nosers.
Take care of yourselves and get everything in writing.
History is repeating itself.
Some people DESERVE alopecia.
Bite me Wally - Dis is just da way dis is mate.
EWL
The forseeable future was 3 months in which time my wife and I built a house and went on a holiday.
We returned to the news that TAA was pulling out.
Don't believe a word that comes out of head office (and the Humans Remaining Department) good Southern people. Da Wally is not to be trusted and must not be believed - nor should any of his brown nosers.
Take care of yourselves and get everything in writing.
History is repeating itself.
Some people DESERVE alopecia.
Bite me Wally - Dis is just da way dis is mate.
EWL
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What you speak of is the Jim Bowtie model for TN/QF.
He openly stated he wanted nobody on staff and contractors only.
What a bleeding wonderful look for an Aussie icon.
The empty suits would have an empty building too.
The industry is Edward the Kangaroo.
Roo-Ted.
EWL
What you speak of is the Jim Bowtie model for TN/QF.
He openly stated he wanted nobody on staff and contractors only.
What a bleeding wonderful look for an Aussie icon.
The empty suits would have an empty building too.
The industry is Edward the Kangaroo.
Roo-Ted.
EWL
the dilemma is made worse by the way the regional airline manager is pushing this change. it is perceived by some as a personal project to make his cv look good. problem is that he has totally failed and in the process demonstrated little or no ability to communicate with staff, shown his lack of understanding of the aviation industry and how little he knows of airline operations. worse still his failure to gain any confidence in staff by being more than liberal with the truth has totally shot any credibility he may have had. worse still, there is little or no savings and certainly no significant efficiencies in what is so far proposed and despite what has been said nobody has seen proof that there might be. perhaps dixon might get wind of what is going on soon? and if you are with eastern or sunstate, watch out - your next.
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Well once again it just goes to show there is no loyalty within QF regional management....why didn't southern management acquire 717 slots for those 146 drivers, as for sure those pilots were in the Qantas group long before Impulse was saved by the loving arms of Geoff.But that would require forethought, loyalty and a little way of saying 'thanks for sticking with us' as we continually moved you all around the southern parts of Australia.....
Bonez is on the mark when he describes Sunnies and Eastern as being the next to recieve the the royal SHAFT. As to quote my beautiful wife last night " darling..your next, time to get out. Why don't you apply to Virgin again"..She is right. My little company has lost 70 + pilots in the last six years, because of virtually no career progression, the carrot being waved and then thrown to someone else and management not willing to negotiate simple EBA aggreements. But thats sound management...Qantas style
EWL is also right...there is a growing anti-sentiment towards Qantas that appears to be getting worse by the day. The wheel turns folks!!
I wish all the southern folks best wishes for future employment.
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Eastern vs NJS
Cogwheel
Are the 'benefits' that great that one would be better off with a command on a Dash 8 vs command on a 146 or even F/O slot for that matter? 
I know several airline people who purchase full fares when they travel because they're well and truly over doing the sub-load thing.
I guess it's up to the individual to do their sums.
There is talk some would take a Dash position rather than work for NJS and lose the benefits
I know several airline people who purchase full fares when they travel because they're well and truly over doing the sub-load thing.
I guess it's up to the individual to do their sums.
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Cogwheel,
You would hope so but I have my grave fears. Just look over the road at KD. Seniority is working in reverse. All those senior guy's and gal's (CRJ drivers) are on the street whilst others of 1-2 years employment are still in the job. Yes there is the award to address this issue and yes there are all the questions raised by the matter of Administration but KD management has just swept the senior drivers under the carpet. Talk to a KD turbo prop driver and then talk to an ex CRJ driver about how they feel. You will find it very sad indeed.
Goodluck to all those Southern employees. You ran a great ship in a time when Impulse was seen as the enemy and this is the thanks from Qantas that you get.
Would forced redundancy be by seniority? If so, there would be mass of re-training if it started at the bottom!
Goodluck to all those Southern employees. You ran a great ship in a time when Impulse was seen as the enemy and this is the thanks from Qantas that you get.
