Can Ansett pilots work in Australia?
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Hi Kaptin M,
Absolutely right about Dicky Marman, I guess that we will have to do our utmost to preserve safety standards. Quite easy really when management seek to maintain harmony in their present workforce by asking for relevant information on all applicants before interview.
Absolutely right about Dicky Marman, I guess that we will have to do our utmost to preserve safety standards. Quite easy really when management seek to maintain harmony in their present workforce by asking for relevant information on all applicants before interview.
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773, Ok, there were a total of 21 'returnees' to EWA who were Captains so I presume you are the son of one of those. I personally have no problem but a lot will depend on how you approach the inevitable discussions once you get employed. I'd suggest you do get an understanding of the dispute for a start.
By the way, in the reverse situation I am not aware of any son/daughter of an 89er who got a job in Ansett.
By the way, in the reverse situation I am not aware of any son/daughter of an 89er who got a job in Ansett.
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For every hero there was more than 4 89ers and yet many instances of the kin of heroes having been rewarded a job whilst the kin of 89ers been further discriminated against by having to look elsewhere.
I hope all the unemployed persons have the opportunity to feed their families again but remember 12 years ago over 1300 Australians not only lost their jobs but also lost the opportunity to work as a Pilot in Australia.
Can somebody explain to me:
My tax return showed $36000 for 88/89.
My A320 slot was going to earn my family $52000 for 89/90.
We loved our company, we listed ourselves for more flying because we loved flying.
But why a year later there were over 300 foreign Pilots earning a considerable greater amount of money than we could have ever dreamed of.
Hawke and Abeles rewarded their heroes.
I hope all the unemployed persons have the opportunity to feed their families again but remember 12 years ago over 1300 Australians not only lost their jobs but also lost the opportunity to work as a Pilot in Australia.
Can somebody explain to me:
My tax return showed $36000 for 88/89.
My A320 slot was going to earn my family $52000 for 89/90.
We loved our company, we listed ourselves for more flying because we loved flying.
But why a year later there were over 300 foreign Pilots earning a considerable greater amount of money than we could have ever dreamed of.
Hawke and Abeles rewarded their heroes.
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With referance to MAS I recall being told by a few MAS drivers a few years ago I met in TPE that when ANs 747 went tits-up in SYD, AN chartered one of MAS 747s to fly SYD-OSA(?)-SYD, and AN bluntley insisted it be crewed by no ex-89er serving with MAS. I also heard from VERY reliable sources that when MAS picked up its 747 after the time it was dry-leased to AN, the local crew discovered the scabs had been over-boosting #3 engine on TO, and needed an engine overhaul after arrival at K.Lumpur. 
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Are all AN pilots on the scab list, or only those hired within a certain timeframe? What will the attitude to the newest hires be (I believe there are 12 S/O's) who have just commenced employment there?
Also, what about some of my friends who joined as F/O's about 5 years ago?
Also, what about some of my friends who joined as F/O's about 5 years ago?
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Slasher, your source is correct. AN also insisted that no 89er could be involved in training their hero (and, probably more importantly, non-hero) pilots when they trained on the 747 with SQ (after their first five very senior captains onto the 747 failed the QF conversion course).
Rabish Binny, in answer to your query, the URL to the hero’s list has been posted somewhere on this site in the last day or two. You’ll find that anyone who joined after March 90 isn’t on the list – although many of the joiners in the months immediately after March know full well that they wouldn’t have been accepted into AN (or TN) had they not applied while the ‘war’ was still in progress. Call them very lucky men and women who still have clean slates. Officially at least.
Rabish Binny, in answer to your query, the URL to the hero’s list has been posted somewhere on this site in the last day or two. You’ll find that anyone who joined after March 90 isn’t on the list – although many of the joiners in the months immediately after March know full well that they wouldn’t have been accepted into AN (or TN) had they not applied while the ‘war’ was still in progress. Call them very lucky men and women who still have clean slates. Officially at least.
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Rabish, 773 et al,
Only SCABS are on a scablist. Simple
You are not responsible for the sins of your father. But you'd be a pretty brave new hire to repeat the line of the heros' "only doing the best for their family" or the equally dishonest "but you resigned didn't you"? to an 89 Captain if you're lucky enough to get a job.
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Only SCABS are on a scablist. Simple
You are not responsible for the sins of your father. But you'd be a pretty brave new hire to repeat the line of the heros' "only doing the best for their family" or the equally dishonest "but you resigned didn't you"? to an 89 Captain if you're lucky enough to get a job.
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Go out and buy yourself a "good lawnmower" you B.........ds as you will need it for a lot longer than we did get a good round as well because none of you will get a job where 89ers are. It's taken 12 yrs sh..t it's nice!
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Sniffer even if they dont end up in OS companys with Aussies in it, you can be sure they wont last long once everyone finds out who there with. Dont forget mate these diseased vermin wouldnt have the guts to come anywhere near where we are. They know exactley what theyd be in for.
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Once again the churlish rhetoric from a few of the '89 "victims".
The fact is you were unable to prevent us seeking employment in '89 and you certainly can't now.
To any Ansett pilot,senior or junior,do not be dissuaded from pursuing your chosen path.Our talent,experience and proven company loyalty will be recognised and appreciated by the enlightened airlines and their managements the world over.
It may be a little easier for the more senior of us to bide our time and we do have slightly more choice but things will work out for all, either in Australia or overseas if we should choose.There is nothing legally or otherwise that anyone can do to prevent our right to work.
So good luck to all of us at Ansett, lets look forward to a speedy resolution to this unfortunate situation and good luck to all the "89 gents who chose to move on.
The fact is you were unable to prevent us seeking employment in '89 and you certainly can't now.
To any Ansett pilot,senior or junior,do not be dissuaded from pursuing your chosen path.Our talent,experience and proven company loyalty will be recognised and appreciated by the enlightened airlines and their managements the world over.
It may be a little easier for the more senior of us to bide our time and we do have slightly more choice but things will work out for all, either in Australia or overseas if we should choose.There is nothing legally or otherwise that anyone can do to prevent our right to work.
So good luck to all of us at Ansett, lets look forward to a speedy resolution to this unfortunate situation and good luck to all the "89 gents who chose to move on.
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Like all good "SPIN".... RADNAV selectively forgets to include the whole truth. They and their lot didn't stop the 89's from getting jobs outside Australia either!!! by calling them political dissidents. And yes those in ansett that have shown merit will no doubt find golden opportunities over seas and be welcomed by all. And the rest will discover what Aussie mateship means.
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"There is nothing legally or otherwise that anyone can do to prevent our right to work."...wanna bet, radnav!!
Once you're outside Oz, forget about "legally, discrimination, colour, age, sex, etc".
Suddenly it's YOU against the WORLD - and YOU aren't worth a pinch, outside Ansett and its protected environment!
Dream on.
Once you're outside Oz, forget about "legally, discrimination, colour, age, sex, etc".
Suddenly it's YOU against the WORLD - and YOU aren't worth a pinch, outside Ansett and its protected environment!
Dream on.
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Hello there fellow aviators ( and some ex...as well, provided you have some sense of humour ). Dont be angry with me cos' like a lot of others whom contributed to this thread, I'm not an Aussie ( what did you say ? #*ss off ?...yeah, I will after I've finished writing this one ). In 1989/90 we use to have 300 odd Aussies who came and work with us, except for a very "odd" few, the rest are a bunch of good people to work with. I flew with a lot of them and in that course, definitely learned a lot as well. Not only about flying but also about how they ended up in my part of the world. Some have to root out the family, leave their gilrfriends, mum, dad, friends to come to this part of the world and start anew. Although we Malaysians are generally hospitable people, I'm very sure its not easy for many of them. They were deployed on various fleet, F27, F50, B737 (-200 to -400),A300,DC-10 and B742/3. Their presence help with MH's expansion. Although most of them have now left for greener pastures all over the world, I dont think any went back and fly for their former company and we all know the reason(s). So, after going thru all that, its very optimistic of you guys to expect them to symphatise with you when AN stopped flying. Like someone wrote earlier in the thread, " what goes around comes around ". Its a new whole world out there, are you up to it ? Although we are not taking any more expats now, even if we do, I'll think twice before deciding on people who betrayed their fellow mates as a matter of principle.Wait a minute, I havent finished yet, I know some people will ask, " what make you think we are interested in applying to MH ? " Regardless guys, I will still make my two cents input to the ( our) management, " I will not fly with people without principles, betrayed their friends just to get ahead, and caused so much hardship ( only for a short while....bet you guys are enjoying it now arent you ? ). Come on !, get angry with me now or may be you can try to stop us from departing out of MEL or SYD afterwards.......
short flights long nights
Radnav, does the term "out of touch" mean anything to you? Or try "I have believed my own publicity for too long" or perhaps "S**T, I have to go out there" is a better one. Do you think that all of us have remained lowly very junior F/Os at the companies we work for over the last 12 years? That 12 years has given us no influence or position? Well keep on dreaming old son, you are about to meet reality.
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Well, the rooster has come home to roost. Unfortunately my company may employ scabs, but I know that they will not be happy.
My wife is Asian. Her family and friends are asian. She has had 12 years of industrial education, and you should see the way she says SCAB. Very funny.
16000 ansett employees are out of work. I hope 15700 or so get jobs. The other 300 can **** and and die.
ps. I hope you come to my company. I will never be unsafe with you, but I will hate you.
My wife is Asian. Her family and friends are asian. She has had 12 years of industrial education, and you should see the way she says SCAB. Very funny.
16000 ansett employees are out of work. I hope 15700 or so get jobs. The other 300 can **** and and die.
ps. I hope you come to my company. I will never be unsafe with you, but I will hate you.
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As unfortunate as '89 was I'm sorry that some of you still feel so nasty that you would happily see the majority of Ansetts employees suffer for your own selfish reasons
because rest assured much to your disappointment the pilot group won't be.
Whilst I have no interest in joining you guys overseas yet, both because I'm confident of maintaining a good job in OZ and because of the potential fallout from recent sad events, be very sure that a few illspoken words from an absolute world minority will not stop me nor my peers from doing so.
We all know how the system works these days and it would be a shame to see one of YOU lose your job due to inappropriate behaviour to a fellow employee.And that gentlemen is exactly what would happen. Summary dismissal I think its called, just check your contract.
Still I'm sure you all know that and there is nothing like a good wind up to vent the spleen hey what.I'm a good sport.
Cheers.
because rest assured much to your disappointment the pilot group won't be.
Whilst I have no interest in joining you guys overseas yet, both because I'm confident of maintaining a good job in OZ and because of the potential fallout from recent sad events, be very sure that a few illspoken words from an absolute world minority will not stop me nor my peers from doing so.
We all know how the system works these days and it would be a shame to see one of YOU lose your job due to inappropriate behaviour to a fellow employee.And that gentlemen is exactly what would happen. Summary dismissal I think its called, just check your contract.
Still I'm sure you all know that and there is nothing like a good wind up to vent the spleen hey what.I'm a good sport.
Cheers.