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The time for the Norwegian Captain to transmit a MAYDAY, was the minute these survivors tried to hijack the ship to Australia. The fact they threatened to jump ship, therefore blackmail the captain, is no different to hijacking. He should then, with his Transponder continually sqawking 7700, not 7500 for political reasons, have headed for the nearest Indonesian port.
The Indonesians would have been hard pressed to take any military action then, while the rest of the world watched.
The Indonesians would have been hard pressed to take any military action then, while the rest of the world watched.
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Scando.....so in your opinion, it's alright for Australia to take refugees?? outside the processes of the UN, but not for Norway
Sorry, don't follow the logic in that
Sorry, don't follow the logic in that
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Scando!
So perhaps we'll "pop em over" to your part of the world huh!
Sure the Captain wasn't tipped off under the Table.
Why didn't he declare "unlawful interferance"!!!
They boarded the ship and stated they won't go to Indonesia ,instead they'll jump overboard.
Apparently got unruly and the Captain was concerned as for their reaction, ie Violent.
So perhaps my Scandic Mate don't rely on Distant media reports , which have been sommewhat hyped up,BBC,CNN Hype NAAHH NEVER.
Unfortunately the soft touch has just become very hard.
damn they'll have to go through the appropriate channels.
So perhaps we'll "pop em over" to your part of the world huh!
Sure the Captain wasn't tipped off under the Table.
Why didn't he declare "unlawful interferance"!!!
They boarded the ship and stated they won't go to Indonesia ,instead they'll jump overboard.
Apparently got unruly and the Captain was concerned as for their reaction, ie Violent.
So perhaps my Scandic Mate don't rely on Distant media reports , which have been sommewhat hyped up,BBC,CNN Hype NAAHH NEVER.
Unfortunately the soft touch has just become very hard.
damn they'll have to go through the appropriate channels.
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Refugees Threaten Hunger Strike
By CHRIS BRUMMITT
.c The Associated Press
NUSAKAMBANGAN ISLAND, Indonesia (AP) - A group of Afghan refugees detained for two weeks after shipwrecking on an Indonesian prison island threatened Saturday to go on a hunger strike unless the United Nations agreed to their asylum demands.
The 138 refugees were sailing from Indonesia to Australia's Christmas Island last month when their rickety boat sank in a storm. A mother and child drowned. The others managed to swim to the shores of nearby Nusakambangan Island.
The group is separate from the 460 mainly Afghans languishing on a Norwegian cargo since Monday after both Australia and Indonesia accept them. New Zealand and Pacific republic of Nauru agreed Saturday to take them in to assess their eligibility for asylum.
In Indonesia, officials from the U.N. International Organization for Migration have visited the 138 refugees twice, but have yet to make a decision on their fate.
"We will go on a hunger strike on Monday unless we are allowed to leave this place,'' said Abdul Rashid, 34, a dentist who said he was fleeing political persecution by Afghanistan's hard-line Islamic Taliban rulers. "No one is listening to us or helping us.''
Hundreds of illegal migrants now live in Indonesia after being caught trying to sail for Australia and New Zealand without visas. Authorities rarely detain them and usually allow them to live in the community while waiting for the United Nations to process their applications for political asylum in Western countries.
However, with Indonesia coming under intense international pressure to crack down on the increasing flow of illegal migrants passing through its territory, the government seems determined not to free this particular group.
Many of the illegal migrants here on this prison island have skin diseases. There is little to eat, and their drinking water is brown.
By CHRIS BRUMMITT
.c The Associated Press
NUSAKAMBANGAN ISLAND, Indonesia (AP) - A group of Afghan refugees detained for two weeks after shipwrecking on an Indonesian prison island threatened Saturday to go on a hunger strike unless the United Nations agreed to their asylum demands.
The 138 refugees were sailing from Indonesia to Australia's Christmas Island last month when their rickety boat sank in a storm. A mother and child drowned. The others managed to swim to the shores of nearby Nusakambangan Island.
The group is separate from the 460 mainly Afghans languishing on a Norwegian cargo since Monday after both Australia and Indonesia accept them. New Zealand and Pacific republic of Nauru agreed Saturday to take them in to assess their eligibility for asylum.
In Indonesia, officials from the U.N. International Organization for Migration have visited the 138 refugees twice, but have yet to make a decision on their fate.
"We will go on a hunger strike on Monday unless we are allowed to leave this place,'' said Abdul Rashid, 34, a dentist who said he was fleeing political persecution by Afghanistan's hard-line Islamic Taliban rulers. "No one is listening to us or helping us.''
Hundreds of illegal migrants now live in Indonesia after being caught trying to sail for Australia and New Zealand without visas. Authorities rarely detain them and usually allow them to live in the community while waiting for the United Nations to process their applications for political asylum in Western countries.
However, with Indonesia coming under intense international pressure to crack down on the increasing flow of illegal migrants passing through its territory, the government seems determined not to free this particular group.
Many of the illegal migrants here on this prison island have skin diseases. There is little to eat, and their drinking water is brown.
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Honestly lame WHO really cares what they do? If THEY consider their own lives of little value, or less, I REALLY don't care!! If they force the children to partake in their demonstrations, then remove the children to protect them from their apparently desperate, irresponsible charges.
But honestly, I really couldn't care less if they want to starve/drown/dispose of themselves! All the more reason for Austrakia NOT to accept them - if they're willing to do this NOW, what will they resort to, IF they were given asylum in Oz, when next they have a demand that is outside the law?
Reverse the situation, and see how far YOU would get if you tried this stunt with most of the countries telling Australia to accept them - bet ya you need a passport AND a visa before you even start your LEGAL voyage to most of these "do good" countries, and you'll have paid a HELLUVA lot less than they have, for your passage!
But honestly, I really couldn't care less if they want to starve/drown/dispose of themselves! All the more reason for Austrakia NOT to accept them - if they're willing to do this NOW, what will they resort to, IF they were given asylum in Oz, when next they have a demand that is outside the law?
Reverse the situation, and see how far YOU would get if you tried this stunt with most of the countries telling Australia to accept them - bet ya you need a passport AND a visa before you even start your LEGAL voyage to most of these "do good" countries, and you'll have paid a HELLUVA lot less than they have, for your passage!
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Wirraway,
A bit late, but I went on the **** for a while. We do have television (TV) here in Norway, and you can rest assured that anything our Ambassador says is duly reported back here. That fractures and pregnacies does not constitute an immediate emergency is quite correct. It does not mean they are ready for a long seavoyage. And it does not mean they are from Pakistan.
nasa,
The ship is in Australia. Thats a fact. If the UN H.C.O.R. says Australia must take the resquees, your country would just say: **** off. Maybe that makes you feel proud, but it only makes me feel ashamed on your behalf.
Cloudbusting,
Maybe you should read up on the facts of this story? Have a look on who asked the resquees to board the ship?
lame,
Different problem. Deal with it!
Captin M,
Your post speak for itself. Shame on you!
A bit late, but I went on the **** for a while. We do have television (TV) here in Norway, and you can rest assured that anything our Ambassador says is duly reported back here. That fractures and pregnacies does not constitute an immediate emergency is quite correct. It does not mean they are ready for a long seavoyage. And it does not mean they are from Pakistan.
nasa,
The ship is in Australia. Thats a fact. If the UN H.C.O.R. says Australia must take the resquees, your country would just say: **** off. Maybe that makes you feel proud, but it only makes me feel ashamed on your behalf.
Cloudbusting,
Maybe you should read up on the facts of this story? Have a look on who asked the resquees to board the ship?
lame,
Different problem. Deal with it!
Captin M,
Your post speak for itself. Shame on you!
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Scando,
I cannot believe how much you twist the truth to suit yourself?????
It IS all the same problem..........
The Norwegian ship should NOT have entered Australian waters in the first place, he was also ORDERED NOT to by the Australian Authorities, but he deliberately disobeyed to suit himself, now he will not leave.
IF you are typical of the Norwegian people, then I am starting to agree with many other Australians, in that he invaded our territory against explicit orders and perhaps much stronger military action should have been taken against him.........
I cannot believe how much you twist the truth to suit yourself?????
It IS all the same problem..........
The Norwegian ship should NOT have entered Australian waters in the first place, he was also ORDERED NOT to by the Australian Authorities, but he deliberately disobeyed to suit himself, now he will not leave.
IF you are typical of the Norwegian people, then I am starting to agree with many other Australians, in that he invaded our territory against explicit orders and perhaps much stronger military action should have been taken against him.........
Scando, these selfish so called refugees have tried to jump the que ahead of others waiting to be accepted over here. Yes, Australia may be a big country, but with limited resources such as water and 95% of the land unlivable, you can't expect us to keep accepting those arriving illegally. Our tax system cannot cope, aborigines live in poverty, old people cannot get into nursing homes, people are waiting to get into hospitals etc. The only reason the Norwegian ship was told to pick up the reffo's by Australia was because Indonesia did not have the means of communicating with the ship, despite it being in waters looked after by Indonesia.Maybe Norway could start taking their fair share instead of critising us don't you think?
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lame,
Cool, it's the first time the norwegians has invaded anything, and now we did it with our primary warship, the TAMPA! What a proper reply, the SAS, armed to their teeth, to make sure the vikings did not take over Xmas Island. What kind of action do you suggest? A bullet to Captain Rinnans head?
Cool, it's the first time the norwegians has invaded anything, and now we did it with our primary warship, the TAMPA! What a proper reply, the SAS, armed to their teeth, to make sure the vikings did not take over Xmas Island. What kind of action do you suggest? A bullet to Captain Rinnans head?
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EPIRB,
Get the facts right! I will not bother to repeat the story, you can read my first post above. The ferry sunk, it was not a communation problem.
I'm a bit surprized, I was not aware so many australians knew so much about the norvegian immgration policy, but I bow my head to you all.
As I'm a bit p*ssed, it's 5:10 am here, I will leave the arena and go to bed. At least I have not **** in my own bed.
Taa!
Get the facts right! I will not bother to repeat the story, you can read my first post above. The ferry sunk, it was not a communation problem.
I'm a bit surprized, I was not aware so many australians knew so much about the norvegian immgration policy, but I bow my head to you all.
As I'm a bit p*ssed, it's 5:10 am here, I will leave the arena and go to bed. At least I have not **** in my own bed.
Taa!
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Scando,
Glad you at least concede that a Norwegian ship HAS "invaded" Australian Territory....
AFTER he deliberately disobeyed an order NOT to enter Australian Territory, yes I think the SAS should have forced him back where he was supposed to be under International Law, that is into Indonesian waters........
Glad you at least concede that a Norwegian ship HAS "invaded" Australian Territory....
AFTER he deliberately disobeyed an order NOT to enter Australian Territory, yes I think the SAS should have forced him back where he was supposed to be under International Law, that is into Indonesian waters........
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Scando,
The troops did not "storm" the TAMPA; not a shot was fired nor was it contemplated. rather they had every right to board a ship which had been hijacked and had entered our area, despite warnings, illegally.
More to the point the troops were there to ensure the safety of the crew and remove the threats of the illegals. As well it was determined that the captain LIED about the condition of those on board. Medical assessment and material aid was able to be delivered as required.
The shipping line, along with the captain, allege that the ship does not have enough liferafts for the number on board and can not proceed. No problem...supply liferafts!
The truth of the matter is that the Norwegian shipping line do not give a toss about the illegals. All they want is to get their ship back into productive work. To pretend otherwise that their motives are noble is the most cynical ploy of all.
The troops did not "storm" the TAMPA; not a shot was fired nor was it contemplated. rather they had every right to board a ship which had been hijacked and had entered our area, despite warnings, illegally.
More to the point the troops were there to ensure the safety of the crew and remove the threats of the illegals. As well it was determined that the captain LIED about the condition of those on board. Medical assessment and material aid was able to be delivered as required.
The shipping line, along with the captain, allege that the ship does not have enough liferafts for the number on board and can not proceed. No problem...supply liferafts!
The truth of the matter is that the Norwegian shipping line do not give a toss about the illegals. All they want is to get their ship back into productive work. To pretend otherwise that their motives are noble is the most cynical ploy of all.
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I'll give it to you Scando.....You had me going for a moment there.....I actually thought you were putting a reasoned case for Norway, but now I realise that in reality, you have no idea whatsoever and in fact, I have my doubts as to your location being Oslo, but give me a minute and I'll get back to you on that 
Nuther point I meant to make, was that whilst those who have the camera and the pen are constantly sh!tcanning our governments actions (including Norway and the UK), you notice how the majority of those that count, the people and this includes a lot of everyday folk right around the world that I have personally spoken to, are all in favour of the actions. Strange that.....we face internationaly condemnation, from who
Oh well.....back to the footy
[ 02 September 2001: Message edited by: nasa ]
Nuther point I meant to make, was that whilst those who have the camera and the pen are constantly sh!tcanning our governments actions (including Norway and the UK), you notice how the majority of those that count, the people and this includes a lot of everyday folk right around the world that I have personally spoken to, are all in favour of the actions. Strange that.....we face internationaly condemnation, from who
Oh well.....back to the footy
[ 02 September 2001: Message edited by: nasa ]
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Yes Scandoit may be true that this is the first time that Norway has invaded anything, seems you are always getting invaded, like that event about 60 years ago.
Then it is up to a bunch of bastards like us Aussies to help get you out of the s*it by losing our lives over Europe.Go back to slaughtering whales, you seem to be good at that.
Then it is up to a bunch of bastards like us Aussies to help get you out of the s*it by losing our lives over Europe.Go back to slaughtering whales, you seem to be good at that.
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Its up to the Immigration Dept to assess the Afgans' claim to refugee status. Its not up to the UNHCR, the Norwegian Government or Natasha Spott-Desploger's pet ferret.
If refugee status is denied then they don't get in and become the ship owner's responsibility to remove from Australian waters. Thats the law and its the operation of that law that Johnny Howard is enforcing by making it practical for the ship owner to do so.
Its not practical for the RAN to turn Indon fishing boats away because the things will start 'sinking' immediately and require rescue.
The only deterrent to further incursions is converting a passenger ship to 'secure' accomodation for illegals while their much-repaired fishing boats are towed in convoy with it, to the N.W. side of the Indian Ocean.
Then they get returned to their boats for the short northwards trip HOME !
If refugee status is denied then they don't get in and become the ship owner's responsibility to remove from Australian waters. Thats the law and its the operation of that law that Johnny Howard is enforcing by making it practical for the ship owner to do so.
Its not practical for the RAN to turn Indon fishing boats away because the things will start 'sinking' immediately and require rescue.
The only deterrent to further incursions is converting a passenger ship to 'secure' accomodation for illegals while their much-repaired fishing boats are towed in convoy with it, to the N.W. side of the Indian Ocean.
Then they get returned to their boats for the short northwards trip HOME !
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Yes! I have the solution!
Let them into Australia, send them around to Kaptin M's place, and let them listen to him whinge about '89!
That'll make 'em wanna go home!
Oh, and invite Tool Time and Amos as well for good measure.
...... and here comes the padlock !!!!
Let them into Australia, send them around to Kaptin M's place, and let them listen to him whinge about '89!
That'll make 'em wanna go home!
Oh, and invite Tool Time and Amos as well for good measure.
...... and here comes the padlock !!!!
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Yup here it comes.
Not for any reason other than the thread is way over the 100 post limit.
BTW JA-TO you like everyone else here are entitled to your view. But it is not necessary, or it shows your lack of civilised communication skills, to include the "expletive deleted" at all certainly not to the extent you have.
I am going to assume that it was your first post on this forum and that you are unaware of the conventions herein.
The alternative will be banning, not for your views but for the manner of their expression. Capiche?
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Not for any reason other than the thread is way over the 100 post limit.
BTW JA-TO you like everyone else here are entitled to your view. But it is not necessary, or it shows your lack of civilised communication skills, to include the "expletive deleted" at all certainly not to the extent you have.
I am going to assume that it was your first post on this forum and that you are unaware of the conventions herein.
The alternative will be banning, not for your views but for the manner of their expression. Capiche?
'click'
