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Does that mean that my girlfriend, even though she peroxided her hair, won't get in to Virgin because she's fat and ugly?. .. .Slap 'em on the thighs and ride the waves in! Once you've had fat you never look back! Try it.
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What an arrogant bunch of crap.. .. .Sounds to me like justification abounds.. .. .I do not understand why an employer would not choose an endorsed, experienced airline pilot with a good record in a respected company over a wannabee (no offense).. .. .If they choose the wannabe, all it jusfies is that experience is worth nothing and that Airline pilots are worth little more than a GA wage (i.e. that airline pilots are overpaid).. .. .Unfortunatley Virgin has already proven this.. . . . <small>[ 28 March 2002, 12:32: Message edited by: longjohn ]</small>
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I am worried about the blonde Quest.. .. .A survey is impractical so why not ask the King how many of his rides were blonde and consider that a fair sample,say 4-500 including mates wives to avoid a bias in the sample!!very thoughtful. .. .EMPLOYMENT***. .I employ 60+ staff I believe it would be a good experience for some here to take money out of their pocket and give it in large quantities to another.. .In truth it is a pleasure pay above standard rates for good productive employees.Infact there is little point in owning companies without true regard for the welfare of those working with you.. .. .To really believe some little jerk is going to tell us who we must employ and pay and then try to take me to court to enforse this decision is bull****,for a start if there ever is a legal precedent like this set, just pay $1,500 start a new company with no assets and employ through it.. .. .You would find your legal eagle would want cash upfront to take your "why not me case!! No employee entitlements to sue the directors for as you dont have a job yet,just a grievance and a chip on the shoulder and sueing a $2.00 company. .. .And see where your actions have led to!!, good employers putting up chinese walls within their groups to avoid rediculous litigation and in doing so increase operating cost and creating a corporate structure that could hurt employee entitlements.This would be happen if the directors had no large assets.. .. .When you employ someone to fix your organ as, clearly you play one a great deal, I hope another organ fixer sues you for discriminating against him as he lived closer but had a smaller adv in the yellow pages!!. .I pray you fly better than you think <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />
Oicur, once again you make bold statements.. [QUOTE]This is probably true but also illegal. Every company is required to supply all applicants with feedback regarding the selection process. This provides the candidate with reasons why they have not been selected. The company must show that the candidate was rejected as a result of not /QUOTE] . .but where is your proof that this is ILLEGAL. Two previous posts have shown the criteria defining discrimination...once again NO company has to tell you why they did not employ you and neither should they have to.. .. .The organ fixer analogy is quite useful. You are a pilot for hire in a market that is full of qualified people. With your (apparent) attitude, I can see why you may not get a guernsey. . .. .Come and join us in the real world.. .. .You have mentioned that " they are leaving themselves wide open", do you think YOU know better than lawyers retained by QF and VB in the matter of industrial law?
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It's time to take a reality check "oicur12" you and a lot of your compatriots for the obvious reasons which I don't have to mention will in most probability never fly medium and heavy jet a/c again. Probably never fly anything again! . .. .For you and others information a lot of co's have written into their Manuals that would be's will not be even considered unless they have type ratings and some with a specific no. of hours on type! . .. .You who are squealing the loudest have only to look in the mirror to see the person who is responsible for the position you now find yourself in. . .. .Finally VB have the right to employ who they like when they like.. .. . It's sounds to me from all those who are bleating that they would be exactly the type who would not fit in to a harmoneous operation so why would VB want to employ you anyway. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />
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The Australian Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission has a vast array of information on the subject. Federal and state legislation is contained on their website. Federal legislation forms the basis of most hearings however each state has legislation particular to that state.. .. .Of particular interest is the Queensland Anti Discrimination Act of 1991 which lists the grounds of discrimination. These are only those applicable to QLD but in conjunction with federal legislation:. .. .Sex, marital status, pregnancy, parental status, breast feeding (goods and services only), sexual harassment, race, age, impairment, religion, political belief or activity, trade union activity, lawful sexual activity, association with a person who has any of these attributes.. .. .I think the last line is of particular interest.. .. .Companies can apply and be awarded exemptions from only some of these - I am sure you will agree that an airline cannot employ someone with an impairment that would compromise safety for example.. .. .I have said before - I am not a scab, was not involved in 89 and find it rather entertaining when ppruners resort to this label when unable to debate politely and factually.. .. .<a href="http://www.hreoc.gov.au/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.hreoc.gov.au/index.html</a>
Thankyou Oicur.. .. .Now which of these categories do you feel a pilot who does not get an interview, fits in to?. .. .Assume you mean the last one? How will said pilot ever know as there is no requirement to provide a reason to an applicant.. .. .Heard the HR & EO Commissioner on the radio once talking about Job ads, how they should not discriminate on sex etc. Seems to me if you want a young woman as a receptionist for your business, what is the point of being non-gender specific in the advert. You will only interview/shortlist the young women. All that does is waste everyone's time. So if an airline has a profile of the staff they want, great. Just because you have a licence and the required minimum experience they don't owe you an explanation of why you did not get to interview.
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OK Oicur12 you say you are not a scab but the way you are blaming all for your problems one was led to believe reading this thread that, that was your problem.. .. .In case no one told you you have to "sell yourself" to get a job and if your sales pitch is substandard don't blame anyone except yourself.. .. .No one owes you a living even VB. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />
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oicur12 . .. .Nothing in what you point out has any relationship to the question at hand. I have surfed the net in the areas you suggest and again consulted my legal eagle. Now I want all those good pilots out there not to be missled by what has been alluded to here. . .. .Precisely this, A Company is not required by law to acknowledge receipt of an employment application. Most Companies do however. As far as the processing of the application is concerned and any results of that process is concerned, there is NO obligation on the part of any Company to inform the applicant of the results. Most Companies will give applicants a successful/unsuccessful letter after an interview but will not give reasons. This has been tested in court many years ago.. .. .Icarus2001: I aggree . .. .My point exactly, a Company will sort through applications, keep the ones they like for whatever reason and bin the rest. There is nothing in the law that prevents this.. .. .Have a nice day
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It is possible to take an airline to court and to win, thereafter no other airline will touch you as you are a proven litigant who could cause them just as much trouble - plain fact.. .. .No employer in his right mind is going to employ a person or group of persons that, for whatever reason, may disrupt the harmony of the company.. .To do so would be to ignore their 'duty of care' to existing employees and leave them liable to more court action.. .. .As has been said so many times, a company can employ or not employ anyone it chooses, justification is easy.
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It seems, now, that the post '90 pilots who joined AN, are actively isolating themselves from those who scabbed directly before '90, in an attempt to get VB employment.. .Well, it seems that these characters were not too discriminating back when the opportunity existed to accept a position sitting next to one of the heroes for the last few years.. .The old cake and eat it as well trick, and if you can't eat it, cry "discrimination!" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="cool.gif" />
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">It is possible to take an airline to court and to win, thereafter no other airline will touch you as you are a proven litigant who could cause them just as much trouble - plain fact.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica">Not so, Khan. I cite Deborah Lawrie/Wardley, the first woman pilot employed by Ansett back in the ‘70s, but only after she took that company to court for discrimination. . .. .Showing considerably more cojones than many of her male counterparts in AN, (some of whom are now bleating on this thread), Deb walked away from her job with AN in the middle of her 737 command training rather than become a heroine. She is now a captain with a European airline and had been for quite some years.
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Rabbit. .. ."A Company is not required by law to acknowledge receipt of an employment application." . .. .Correct. The obligation to an applicant commences when they are put through a selection process, not when the application arrives in the mail. But when the applicant is processed, the company concerned has a huge responsibility toward the candidate. I am referring to large business, not small. . .. .Sniffer Dog,. .. .I am not blaming anyone for any problems. I have been involved in the recruitment of airline employees and as such find the behaviour demonstrated by VB interesting, especially after Huttner's comments of being after a "younger crowd". . .. .G Khan. .. ."It is possible to take an airline to court and to win, thereafter no other airline will touch you as you are a proven litigant who could cause them just as much trouble - plain fact.". .. .As Fubaar has pointed out, D.W helped pull the airline industry out of the dark ages. She is a successful airline pilot to this day.