Virgin Blue Discrimination
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Ansett and TAA practised age discrimination to get the most productive staff in the longer term. However there are MANY other factors also considered in the staff selection process. . .Slandering a company for not giving you a job (when you feel like applying for one) doesn't seem to be a good way to get on with your prospective boss. . .. .D.H. and FSU are still trying to fight the 89 INDUSTRIAL DISPUTE, often a scab manoevre attempting self justification. Crossing the picket line destroys workers rights TO ANY BALANCE and can possibly head them towards the sweatshops - common in the real world. A small number of scabs can destroy the prospects of a large number of good people.. .. .How many Compass I and Compass II pilots were offered jobs by Ansett? . .. .BTW... all the pilots who rushed in to scab because of the adverts would get a job, and all those remaining would get redundancy payments?? Perhaps you could redirect that to the "humour" page!
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You just can't grasp reality can you?. .The day after the resignations went in before any pilots had been employed from any other place if the AFAP had decided to let their pilots apply there were not the same number of jobs available as before. Nor was there any possibility that seniority, base protection, or any other features of the old award ever being applied again because they were thrown away when the resignations took effect.. .. .Some did jump the queue but many held out for a considerable time as they watched "brothers" nick off overseas or push people aside in GA and left them to fight the good fight. Most realised that a tragedy was in the making and that everything the AFAP did subsequently only worsened the situation. Reality finally prevailed and most returned well down the scale from where they had been before the dispute.. .. .You lot keep harping about justification. Nothing to do with it. Just recognising the cold reality.
I thought (hoped.....) there was a ban on those events of 13 years ago?. .. .Why does that event have to be like a baby's dinner - regurgitated at every opportunity?. .. . <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="mad.gif" />
Torres, unless you are an infant, you will realise that 13 years is not a great deal of time, especially in relation to the length of an Aviation career. The repercussions of the '89 dispute have blighted some Aviation careers in Australia to the tune of 40 years. All because some cynical opportunists couldn't wait a few months to let a group of pilots complete a dispute with their employers before rushing to steal those careers. The time since is irrelevant until those aviators who lost their hard earned employment have finished flying. They may forgive, but certainly won't forget.
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flyingfox, . .. .I haven't seen much of you around before, but I can see we're going to get on just fine.. .. .Eloquent, efficient, conservative and perfectly accurate.. .. .Here , here...
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Dr Hibbert,. .. .I'd be keen to hear more details re the small group of f/a's who had a win against VB re: age discrimination. It is clearly obvious that VB are not interested in anyone over 30 and any males or females under 175cm height. How pathetic.. .. .For those of you on the cheap no frills VB bandwagon ask yourself this question.....would VB hire your wife as an f/a ? NO.....why ? because most of you would have a wife over the age of 30.....does that make her useless ? NO it doesn't........... = DISCRIMINATION
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Sad, twisted and bitter and thankfully without any basis on fact.. .. .Fact: DJ Cabin Crew Course #1, of 18 crew there were 3 male and 15 female. Average age 28 yrs 9 months. To be specific, 7 aged 30 years or over, 9 aged 25 or over and two babies at 22 and 24.. .. .This topic seems to be full of has-beens trying to protect their self worth by saying "In the good old days young people were seen and not heard. Ever since that pop music thing was invented the world's really gone down hill...". .. .Get over it people.
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Boy it was a long time ago that flights were $200. I remember before Virgin (2 years) it cost me $706 SYD - BNE. That's what Virgin has bought to the aviation and Aus, competition and choice.. .Another one to blame some one else for the demise of Ansett. It had nothing to do with shonky work practices, over staffing, overtime rorts, etc.. .Note: I worked there, I know what it was like. The place was dying a slow death and all the dishonest mongrels that worked there killed a proud airline. Half the people were decent, honest workers. You work out what half you were in. Virgin did not kill Ansett, it committed suicide. The only discrimination Virgin applies is honesty and integrity in it's workers. They should put full page ads in the papers with "no whinging bludgers need apply".
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Theo Racle,. .. .Fact - . .Age of cabin manager on my last VB flight = 22 years. .. .Eldest cabin crew member aboard - 26 years. .. .Number of male crew aboard = nil. .. .Average Number of times each crew member giggled during safety demo - 2. .. .pffffffffffffffft <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />
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Just wondering how you know the ages of the crew aboard that particular flight? Were they wearing labels? By the way giggling is compulsory... they are trying to make flying fun after all.
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Talk about wanting your cake and eating it too... . .. .But knowing the current 'land rights for gay whales' Australian court system, Virgin will probably be told that they have to take this pond life on - 'cos very few other people out there in the real world wants them. (I suspect that Gary, Graham, wEnka and others among "THE FEW" now in Singapore have already seen how welcome they are - NOT!)
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So what is wrong with an all female cabin crew under 30? Only other thing missing is a size 10 limitation.. .. . <img src="http://www.stopstart.fsnet.co.uk/smilie/peepwall.gif" alt="" />
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There are avenues to ensure managers practice a no discrimination policy, for ALL prospective applicants.. .. .The problem is of course, establishing a factual case to take to the courts. Easier said than done.. .. .Has anyone taken the reported age discrimination comments by a senior Virgin manager to Australian courts? This one would clearly be a no contest case.
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Spad - I believe there was a memo sent to ALPA-S regarding those three Plus one other RodENTll who is Brisbane based on the 777. Very naughty publishing their names to ALPA-S as there are two ex Eastern checkers in SIA that absolutely don't like scabs and as Dickey Marmon predicted, could be a bit unsafe if flying together in the same cockpit! . .. .Ahhh...it's an evil web we sometimes weave when the circle turns the full 360 degrees.
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So it is quite moral in your book to deliberately fail a professionally competent pilot based on your "political" beliefs. That implication is pretty clear along with threats of physical violence made in many posts in the past. Says a lot about the morality of some people who claim the moral high ground.. .. .Any check pilot who perpetrates this kind of thing is not fit to hold the position. But again that is consistent with the check pilots who made threats to junior pilots during the debacle.. .. .Hope you are proud to display such an attitude. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" />. . . . <small>[ 23 March 2002, 10:02: Message edited by: Flat Side Up ]</small>
