Thats just great!!!!!!
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Thats just great!!!!!!
Well here I am, a few years down the road and quiet a few thousnd dollars later, just about employable and all this happens........
now the goal posts have moved and I've just become unemployable because of the huge amount of pilots far more qualified than myself have just entered the job market.
Aint that aviation. I would strongly suggest to flying schools that are training CPLs to tell em to get a job sweeping or whatever and not take their $$$ because they are going to need them all and the chance of landing the already elusive job have just halved for a few more years.
good onya ansett.......goodluck to all the new CPLs and ex ansett drivers now looking for work, hope you have better luck than I did.
now the goal posts have moved and I've just become unemployable because of the huge amount of pilots far more qualified than myself have just entered the job market.
Aint that aviation. I would strongly suggest to flying schools that are training CPLs to tell em to get a job sweeping or whatever and not take their $$$ because they are going to need them all and the chance of landing the already elusive job have just halved for a few more years.
good onya ansett.......goodluck to all the new CPLs and ex ansett drivers now looking for work, hope you have better luck than I did.
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Wiz,
It's good to see you, sorry I just missed you on this forum, haven,t heard hide nor hair of you for ages.
It could be so much worse, you could be where I am: Kambalda!
Catch up with you soon!
Kindest Regards,
TOGA_Party
It's good to see you, sorry I just missed you on this forum, haven,t heard hide nor hair of you for ages.
It could be so much worse, you could be where I am: Kambalda!
Catch up with you soon!
Kindest Regards,
TOGA_Party
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Hey, Toga, how are ya bloke? and hows Toga babe?. Yeah I spose Kambalda is a bit far from the flying world and a definate step backwards. Glad I got outa there a few years ago. will catch up with you, perhaps for a few beers when you get up this way again.
regards Wiz.
regards Wiz.
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Hey Wiz mate, don't give up now, just try harder and keep trying mate. All the best to the Wizette too.
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What are the flying schools going to tell their students now !!
After all the cr*p they've spun in the past about "the massive shortage of pilots", they will have to try real hard to come up with another load of garbage.
Mate told me there is even a school in BNE advertising that MOST of their graduates get into CX or QF within 12 months of completing their course !! What frogs@*t
After all the cr*p they've spun in the past about "the massive shortage of pilots", they will have to try real hard to come up with another load of garbage.
Mate told me there is even a school in BNE advertising that MOST of their graduates get into CX or QF within 12 months of completing their course !! What frogs@*t
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I share the same concerns as Wiz,
I am not in a position to know, and I don't think anyone is at this moment exactly what is going to happen in the coming weeks, months and years. But, from my little corner of the globe things do not look promising.
I would like to offer my prognosis. Please feel free to comment (I would love to hear someone tell me I am completely wrong and remove my fears).
AN goes broke, 1100 odd pilots looking for work as a direct result. QF will obviously be in a position to increase capacity (which it may struggle to do overnight). Even though QF increases capacity, it will not be operating as efficiently as the fleet of QF and AN combined. That is, with QF monopolising 80-90% of the market, there will be inefficiencies because they are not in competition (neglecting VB). As a result, the QF capacity increase is not equal to the AN capacity loss.
Now, QF will take on some AN pilots to fly the extra planes they operate - giving first preference to AN drivers over recruiting externally because of public and government pressure. Therefore, QF recruitment slows, if not being completely suspended (including suspension of the cadetship program perhaps).
And the ex-AN crew that were not taken by QF? Well, I agree with a previous reply that some older pilots will opt for early retirement, some may go abroad, some may take the opportunity to move in to a different industry that perhaps they may have prior experience or training.
But, I still see an excess of pilots. Not to mention all of the would be QF direct entry applicants now frozen until further notice. So then these experienced people take jobs flying for the premier charter and regional companies. This effectively creates a clog in the system that we have seen emerging in recent years whereby pilots move their way up through the ranks, eventually ending up in the airlines. Now all of a sudden the whole system is reversed and people will be diving on whatever job they can get.
This could lead to an economic situation that may see the Australian aviation industry operating at full capacity for several years at least (without opportunity for employment) until the next lot of fleet expansions and upgrades are required. Things are looking to become stagnet.
Of course, I neglected possible VB expansions, but I thought they would be insignificant in portraying my concerns.
I will keep on moving forward in an effort to reach my goals, hoping that something good comes of this whole AN mess. If nothing good happens, a lot of wannabes and less experienced guys like myself could realise our worst nightmares - we have been / are working very hard towards achieving goals that are unobtainable.
Regards.
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I am not in a position to know, and I don't think anyone is at this moment exactly what is going to happen in the coming weeks, months and years. But, from my little corner of the globe things do not look promising.
I would like to offer my prognosis. Please feel free to comment (I would love to hear someone tell me I am completely wrong and remove my fears).
AN goes broke, 1100 odd pilots looking for work as a direct result. QF will obviously be in a position to increase capacity (which it may struggle to do overnight). Even though QF increases capacity, it will not be operating as efficiently as the fleet of QF and AN combined. That is, with QF monopolising 80-90% of the market, there will be inefficiencies because they are not in competition (neglecting VB). As a result, the QF capacity increase is not equal to the AN capacity loss.
Now, QF will take on some AN pilots to fly the extra planes they operate - giving first preference to AN drivers over recruiting externally because of public and government pressure. Therefore, QF recruitment slows, if not being completely suspended (including suspension of the cadetship program perhaps).
And the ex-AN crew that were not taken by QF? Well, I agree with a previous reply that some older pilots will opt for early retirement, some may go abroad, some may take the opportunity to move in to a different industry that perhaps they may have prior experience or training.
But, I still see an excess of pilots. Not to mention all of the would be QF direct entry applicants now frozen until further notice. So then these experienced people take jobs flying for the premier charter and regional companies. This effectively creates a clog in the system that we have seen emerging in recent years whereby pilots move their way up through the ranks, eventually ending up in the airlines. Now all of a sudden the whole system is reversed and people will be diving on whatever job they can get.
This could lead to an economic situation that may see the Australian aviation industry operating at full capacity for several years at least (without opportunity for employment) until the next lot of fleet expansions and upgrades are required. Things are looking to become stagnet.
Of course, I neglected possible VB expansions, but I thought they would be insignificant in portraying my concerns.
I will keep on moving forward in an effort to reach my goals, hoping that something good comes of this whole AN mess. If nothing good happens, a lot of wannabes and less experienced guys like myself could realise our worst nightmares - we have been / are working very hard towards achieving goals that are unobtainable.
Regards.
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Interesting observations.
Given the increase in available traffic why wouldn't they just ratchet up the types they use on the various routes.
Say B747 where B767 and B767 where B737 etc this would free up the B733s for regional routes and so on down the line.
The benefits to the remoter regions is that they would get better aircraft and more capable aircraft.
Everyone wins.
I have long held that the Oz market has never been big enough for more that 2 carriers to run efficiently.
And if we have to reregulate then why not?
Interesting observations.
Given the increase in available traffic why wouldn't they just ratchet up the types they use on the various routes.
Say B747 where B767 and B767 where B737 etc this would free up the B733s for regional routes and so on down the line.
The benefits to the remoter regions is that they would get better aircraft and more capable aircraft.
Everyone wins.
I have long held that the Oz market has never been big enough for more that 2 carriers to run efficiently.
And if we have to reregulate then why not?
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Gaunty:
That's not a bad idea. Shame your not running an airline. However I suppose it wouldn't really create more jobs, but it would make the aviation market more interesting!
Might be room in the market for a carrier between Qantas and Virgin rather than QANTAS & X , then Virgin?
Was ANSETT going ok before Air New Zealand took them over ?
PAF
That's not a bad idea. Shame your not running an airline. However I suppose it wouldn't really create more jobs, but it would make the aviation market more interesting!
Might be room in the market for a carrier between Qantas and Virgin rather than QANTAS & X , then Virgin?
Was ANSETT going ok before Air New Zealand took them over ?
PAF
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Well skywest was, and quite a profitable little show it was as well.........shame it was tied in with ansett, but rumour has it they might be going again as a stand alone show(as they should be)soon.
still I cant see me in a F50 for a lil while yet.(damn it)
still I cant see me in a F50 for a lil while yet.(damn it)
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It's probably too simple a notion to work.
We have a bad habit in this country of always trying to do it standing up in a hammock.
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It's probably too simple a notion to work.
We have a bad habit in this country of always trying to do it standing up in a hammock.
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Towering Q, mate I love the ol grasshopper, but I love to eat as well......now if I can just work out how to get a few $$$ outa them things would be great for a lil while.. 
