'Free Win 10 upgrade?'
Psychophysiological entity
A million thanks! 
Yep, into old menu and b gets it. It's got a brand new sub menu for the monitors but they seem to be doing much the same.
I don't know. I'd never have looked in there - it kind of put me in mind of help for wobbly old people . . . oh, wait . . .
While searching for another answer I came across this. I don't fully understand, but I gather it's an issue about having to extensively update the new download - or not.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyle...resh-installs/
I was looking to see if I could upgrade my PC from W7 home (OEM) to pro, and 64bit as well. I know it wouldn't be free, but wondered if there was a path and if the cost might be erm, promotional.
Given MS are not at all fond of OEM packs being sold to the public* ( I phoned them about mine) I imagine even if there was a route to a version upgrade, the OEM packs might be excluded.
* I recall us discussing OEM packs some years ago. BTW. They have let me reinstall on a new hard drive after my carry-on disc didn't survive airport security.
Yep, into old menu and b gets it. It's got a brand new sub menu for the monitors but they seem to be doing much the same. I don't know. I'd never have looked in there - it kind of put me in mind of help for wobbly old people . . . oh, wait . . .
While searching for another answer I came across this. I don't fully understand, but I gather it's an issue about having to extensively update the new download - or not.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyle...resh-installs/
I was looking to see if I could upgrade my PC from W7 home (OEM) to pro, and 64bit as well. I know it wouldn't be free, but wondered if there was a path and if the cost might be erm, promotional.
Given MS are not at all fond of OEM packs being sold to the public* ( I phoned them about mine) I imagine even if there was a route to a version upgrade, the OEM packs might be excluded.
* I recall us discussing OEM packs some years ago. BTW. They have let me reinstall on a new hard drive after my carry-on disc didn't survive airport security.
Psychophysiological entity
Posted by one, Frog, on How-Too Geek
Several things I've spotted this evening seem to be saying the same thing. My reaction to 10 is that I like it more each time I play with the test laptop, and would like to dual boot onto my i7. However, I don't need to commit to too many hours of 'fun' right now. Anyone else concerned about this step backwards?
I am aware about the early posts in this thread and need to learn how to turn off - what was it, 16 items? - that are unacceptable.
I was unaware that Microsoft has just reverted the Windows Media Tools release to the July version of Win 10, which does not allow keys to be entered as easily. It's still possible to do a clean install but you may need to contact Microsoft to get your new Win 10 key if you go this route...
Several things I've spotted this evening seem to be saying the same thing. My reaction to 10 is that I like it more each time I play with the test laptop, and would like to dual boot onto my i7. However, I don't need to commit to too many hours of 'fun' right now. Anyone else concerned about this step backwards?
I am aware about the early posts in this thread and need to learn how to turn off - what was it, 16 items? - that are unacceptable.
Rivets, you might find this article of interest - it tells you how to upgrade from Win7 32-bit to Win10 64-bit. Doesn't help with the move to Pro though. Out of interest what's the reason for moving to Pro?
How to Switch From 32-bit Windows 10 to 64-bit Windows 10
How to Switch From 32-bit Windows 10 to 64-bit Windows 10
Psychophysiological entity
EDIT: Quick read through. Oh. Yes, my kit is probably on the cusp. The Sony Vaio however is already 64. Seems such a shame not to be using it. See below.
Well, in the past, Pro carried some privileges Home didn't. Like, rolling back from 8 to 7. I just wondered if it might be wise, and not more costly, to go there at the same time as upping to 64.
On my PC, I've got 4 gigs of memory with the 3 gig limitation. Just wondered if it might be a good idea to reap that wasted area.
The only reason I've not gone to the Vaio i7 laptop as my main computer is that even when the LG screen is connected, the colours don't seem to have the same 'depth'. I've posted on this, and indeed loaded the latest Nvidia drivers, but still the 1600 res screen seems poor compared to all other laptops I've seen. Fiddling with the settings has made some improvement, but it looks kind of unnatural.
It's a pity, because 1600 seems a perfect compromise in terms of res. The pinnacle of monitor/cards for me was an Asuz exec laptop into their 21" screen. A breathtaking combination. However, while it was fine for looking into the watch mechanisms I was restoring, for day-to-day use it was trying. 1440 is great for editing/proof reading.
My LG is 1440 but offeres LG's usual higher refresh rate which I value. But hey, I'm an oddity - I could even read the Dowty label on my spinning propellers.
Thanks for the help. I'll be back in the loop on the morrow.
Well, in the past, Pro carried some privileges Home didn't. Like, rolling back from 8 to 7. I just wondered if it might be wise, and not more costly, to go there at the same time as upping to 64.
On my PC, I've got 4 gigs of memory with the 3 gig limitation. Just wondered if it might be a good idea to reap that wasted area.
The only reason I've not gone to the Vaio i7 laptop as my main computer is that even when the LG screen is connected, the colours don't seem to have the same 'depth'. I've posted on this, and indeed loaded the latest Nvidia drivers, but still the 1600 res screen seems poor compared to all other laptops I've seen. Fiddling with the settings has made some improvement, but it looks kind of unnatural.
It's a pity, because 1600 seems a perfect compromise in terms of res. The pinnacle of monitor/cards for me was an Asuz exec laptop into their 21" screen. A breathtaking combination. However, while it was fine for looking into the watch mechanisms I was restoring, for day-to-day use it was trying. 1440 is great for editing/proof reading.
My LG is 1440 but offeres LG's usual higher refresh rate which I value. But hey, I'm an oddity - I could even read the Dowty label on my spinning propellers.
Thanks for the help. I'll be back in the loop on the morrow.
Last edited by Loose rivets; 24th Nov 2015 at 23:58.
Cumulative update for Windows 10 version 1511
Micro$oft has finally sorted out the latest update for Windows 10. The 'November update' had caused problems to some by overriding user privacy settings, but they claim to have fixed this in Build 10586.
However, the upgrade process takes an absolute age! I started it at 21:00 last night, it took nearly 2 hours before it was ready to restart, then after a further hour of a blank screen, I let it get on with things and went to bed. This morning it had finished, but nagged me for another set of upgrades for the processor and graphics card. Which took a further 30 minutes, including another restart.
Once the restart was complete, I noticed that it had changed my WiFi preference; normally I use an external 5 GHz adapter, but the upgrade had switched back to the internal 2.4 GHz card. It had also deselected my Homegroup settings to link with other devices, so that took a little time to correct.
The difference? Right-clicking on the Start button gives a less Windows 8.1-like menu, it's now in white on grey. Quite a few other tweaks-for-geeks, no doubt.....
However, the upgrade process takes an absolute age! I started it at 21:00 last night, it took nearly 2 hours before it was ready to restart, then after a further hour of a blank screen, I let it get on with things and went to bed. This morning it had finished, but nagged me for another set of upgrades for the processor and graphics card. Which took a further 30 minutes, including another restart.
Once the restart was complete, I noticed that it had changed my WiFi preference; normally I use an external 5 GHz adapter, but the upgrade had switched back to the internal 2.4 GHz card. It had also deselected my Homegroup settings to link with other devices, so that took a little time to correct.
The difference? Right-clicking on the Start button gives a less Windows 8.1-like menu, it's now in white on grey. Quite a few other tweaks-for-geeks, no doubt.....
Psychophysiological entity
I get that via the Windows button as mentioned above. It's nice to see that option. However . . . I've been Gotcha'd.
I posted this on the HTGeek forum. It just shows how easy it is to make a fool of oneself. (I think the truth is, part of me just wants new toys every day.)
While I'm now well kitted up with experimental soft and spare computers, a very intrusive offer of Windows appeared on my main PC. I was mindful of this 'free forever' statement quoted earlier in this thread.
I became quite good at detecting ambiguous statements while polishing writing skills, but I fell for this Gotcha and find W10 not just "downloading for later", but setting an install date which can't be altered more than once. It's on my main PC which contains the draft of my 700 page novel in several formats. Should have known better than to trust MS. :unamused:
I did give it permission to download, but then it started to prepare, and then gave me an install time of later today. (I'm on GMT for now) As mentioned I get one crack at setting another date.
I've heard of the need to vary 16 different possible intrusions to regain control of, and indeed ownership of one's data. So just a teensy bit T'd of with MS and indeed, myself.
I posted this on the HTGeek forum. It just shows how easy it is to make a fool of oneself. (I think the truth is, part of me just wants new toys every day.)
While I'm now well kitted up with experimental soft and spare computers, a very intrusive offer of Windows appeared on my main PC. I was mindful of this 'free forever' statement quoted earlier in this thread.
I became quite good at detecting ambiguous statements while polishing writing skills, but I fell for this Gotcha and find W10 not just "downloading for later", but setting an install date which can't be altered more than once. It's on my main PC which contains the draft of my 700 page novel in several formats. Should have known better than to trust MS. :unamused:
I did give it permission to download, but then it started to prepare, and then gave me an install time of later today. (I'm on GMT for now) As mentioned I get one crack at setting another date.
I've heard of the need to vary 16 different possible intrusions to regain control of, and indeed ownership of one's data. So just a teensy bit T'd of with MS and indeed, myself.
I've been monitoring this thread since it appeared. Not being computer literate one question, is it worth considering upgrade from Windows 7. Pleas guys keep it simple, yes or no!
Spoon PPRuNerist & Mad Inistrator
is it worth considering upgrade from Windows 7
If you have several older peripherals (printer, scanner, sound card etc.) for which there are no Win 10 drivers, then no. If you have none, or can afford to just replace them all, fine, go ahead. You should check the hardware manufacturer's website to see if there are Win 10 drivers available.
If you have old programs that are not compatible with Win 10, then no, unless you can do without them or replace them. Most programs that work with Win 7 will work with 10 (allegedly).
If you are using Windows Media Centre - it isn't available as part of Windows 10 and will be removed during the upgrade. You won't be able to install Windows Media Centre after the upgrade.
Most computers that run Windows 7 will run Win 10, but you should run through the compatibility checker - see this explanation for example: Can my computer run Windows 10?
You should also review https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/wind...specifications
SD
Psychophysiological entity
Dear Mr Fan. Firstly, you should be advised that Saab has everything, albeit hidden in a parallel universe. This is after he has asserted you can't have it. If it, normally considered to be singular, can be everything. Confused? You will be.
Secondly, one has to watch one's @rse with Micro Soft-and-fluffy, because they will creep up behind you and stuff 10 onto your computer while you slumber peacefully. Ten, or 10 as she is known, is seductive, she has wondrous frontages, but then so did the Nine Muses, and look where that got the honest young man of the species.
Secondly, one has to watch one's @rse with Micro Soft-and-fluffy, because they will creep up behind you and stuff 10 onto your computer while you slumber peacefully. Ten, or 10 as she is known, is seductive, she has wondrous frontages, but then so did the Nine Muses, and look where that got the honest young man of the species.
SaabD, re: Media Centre. I've just followed the guide in the link below, and it's working for me.
Get Windows Media Center Running on Windows 10 in a Few Easy Steps
Get Windows Media Center Running on Windows 10 in a Few Easy Steps
Only half a speed-brake
I did upgrade for reasons good and I am seriously pleased with the outcome. 2 desktops (2009 vintage), 4 notebooks (2010) and 1 convertible (2015). One reason being that I had W8 on three of those machines.
Last edited by FlightDetent; 27th Nov 2015 at 23:02. Reason: one reason for my upgrade
Windows 10
My conclusions are:
If you're using Windows XP, definitely update to Windows 10.
If you're using Windows 7 SP1, don't bother with Windows 10.
If you're using Windows 8 or 8.1, you probably should update.
Bear in mind that certain familiar programs won't be there in Windows 10 and that certain peripherals might well require driver updates.
If you're using Windows XP, definitely update to Windows 10.
If you're using Windows 7 SP1, don't bother with Windows 10.
If you're using Windows 8 or 8.1, you probably should update.
Bear in mind that certain familiar programs won't be there in Windows 10 and that certain peripherals might well require driver updates.
Psychophysiological entity
Very quickly:
Kaspersky removed. One blink of a notice and then nothing. Still listed in Programs and Features. New one available for ten.
Okay, so do you clean up first? Big question, because getting the licence number from Barclays to give Kasper is a pain. So, I let Kasper install hoping it acted as an update. It did, and seems to have quite a few more modern features and mini screens showing data-flow etc.
So, I suggest, don't remove the old one first. There's only one showing in P&F.
CCleaner the same. It took ages to run first time. Given it's the one for 10 I HOPE they know what they're doing.
Setting FireFox as home page. That had me flummoxed until 03:00 this AM
It all worked, integrated it seemed, with 10. But, a darn notice kept appearing saying that FF was not set as main browser [Sic] Time and again I un-ticked the 'Show this' box but it just re-ticked itself and showed the warning box every time I called FF up.
I had to search the net to get that one sorted.
I went the old way - which gets you there. FF running, Tools, Options
SET the screen you want to start in (mine's just GoGo with the toolbars) Then there's a button to the right, Make FF your default etc. This takes you to a blue menu overlay which really had me flummoxed. Scroll down on the right side to . . . Aaaagh, it's of course not there anymore because mine's set, but I think Microsoft was mentioned in the button - anyway you can press them all with impunity, and this one shows a list of Browser Icons. I picked FF and it was done.
Now I use Snipping tool a lot. No real order to my life, so I just make a .jpg of receipts etc., and that serves well. Now no hint of Snip. I asked Cortana, and she found it for me in an instant. It still worked. Phew! Wouldn't want to be without that.
Kaspersky removed. One blink of a notice and then nothing. Still listed in Programs and Features. New one available for ten.
Okay, so do you clean up first? Big question, because getting the licence number from Barclays to give Kasper is a pain. So, I let Kasper install hoping it acted as an update. It did, and seems to have quite a few more modern features and mini screens showing data-flow etc.
So, I suggest, don't remove the old one first. There's only one showing in P&F.
CCleaner the same. It took ages to run first time. Given it's the one for 10 I HOPE they know what they're doing.
Setting FireFox as home page. That had me flummoxed until 03:00 this AM
It all worked, integrated it seemed, with 10. But, a darn notice kept appearing saying that FF was not set as main browser [Sic] Time and again I un-ticked the 'Show this' box but it just re-ticked itself and showed the warning box every time I called FF up.
I had to search the net to get that one sorted.
I went the old way - which gets you there. FF running, Tools, Options
SET the screen you want to start in (mine's just GoGo with the toolbars) Then there's a button to the right, Make FF your default etc. This takes you to a blue menu overlay which really had me flummoxed. Scroll down on the right side to . . . Aaaagh, it's of course not there anymore because mine's set, but I think Microsoft was mentioned in the button - anyway you can press them all with impunity, and this one shows a list of Browser Icons. I picked FF and it was done.
Now I use Snipping tool a lot. No real order to my life, so I just make a .jpg of receipts etc., and that serves well. Now no hint of Snip. I asked Cortana, and she found it for me in an instant. It still worked. Phew! Wouldn't want to be without that.
Psychophysiological entity
Since loading 10, my screen is slightly phase shifted to the right. I've checked the monitor settings and it's in 1440 the recommended res.
All that happens is the Desktop button is partly obscured. One can just put the tip of the cursor on it. The scroll bar is clipped but usable. I can see the edge of the scan on both sides.
All that happens is the Desktop button is partly obscured. One can just put the tip of the cursor on it. The scroll bar is clipped but usable. I can see the edge of the scan on both sides.
Spoon PPRuNerist & Mad Inistrator
Since loading 10, my screen is slightly phase shifted to the right.
Psychophysiological entity
It's an LG 17" on my PC. 1440 native via an NVidia card and was okay on W7. Yes, I've given the monitor Auto a go, but so dim and distant are my memories of phasing the scan that I'm not sure how I used to do it when it was a regular item to set.
Having said this, it's pretty tight on the left so not much room to play with.
Just booted my old Vaio, the only other machine with 10 on it at the moment. It's exactly the same! Just get the cursor arrow tip to fit in and touch the Desktop button bottom right.
I'll bring the scan in too small just to be sure but the controls for that are bizarrely counter-intuitive.
Set it to 4:3 for a moment with 1" either side. Same.
Off to Windows settings to see what's afoot.
Gosh, even flipping it vertical leaves it the same. Must be windows, surely? This one was loaded a week or so later and I think, just caught the latest update.
Really, the Desktop button is the only real issue, so quite liveable-with - just a puzzlement.
Having said this, it's pretty tight on the left so not much room to play with.
Just booted my old Vaio, the only other machine with 10 on it at the moment. It's exactly the same! Just get the cursor arrow tip to fit in and touch the Desktop button bottom right.
I'll bring the scan in too small just to be sure but the controls for that are bizarrely counter-intuitive.
Set it to 4:3 for a moment with 1" either side. Same.
Off to Windows settings to see what's afoot.
Gosh, even flipping it vertical leaves it the same. Must be windows, surely? This one was loaded a week or so later and I think, just caught the latest update.
Really, the Desktop button is the only real issue, so quite liveable-with - just a puzzlement.
Last edited by Loose rivets; 3rd Dec 2015 at 23:08.
