Bye Bye XP?
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Looks like the good ole aftermarket internet will take care of the archaic XP.
At lease those still running Internet Destroyer
Serious Internet Explorer Bug Leaves Half of all Browsers Open to Hack - NBC News
Looks like the good ole aftermarket internet will take care of the archaic XP.
At lease those still running Internet Destroyer
Serious Internet Explorer Bug Leaves Half of all Browsers Open to Hack - NBC News
Serious Internet Explorer Bug Leaves Half of all Browsers Open to Hack
By Julianne Pepitone
Microsoft is scrambling to fix a newly found bug in Internet Explorer, which leaves all versions of the browser open to potential attacks.
Hackers have already used the flaw to launch "limited, targeted attacks," Microsoft said a "security advisory" on Saturday.
As with many attacks, hackers can start with methods like convincing users to click on fake websites, Microsoft explained. From there, the glitch could allow attackers to run malicious software on the user's computer -- and even gain the same level of access to the computer as the real user.
It's a serious flaw, and a widespread one: Internet Explorer comprised almost 58 percent of all desktop browsers in March, according to analytics company Net Applications.
Even the Department of Homeland Security weighed in with an advisory on Monday, calling on users to run alternative web browsers until Microsoft is able to fix the problem.
The Internet Explorer issue affects the browser's versions 6 through 11, Microsoft said in its post. Microsoft's response came one day after security company FireEye revealed the flaw in a post on its own site on Friday.
FireEye said attackers are focusing mostly on Internet Explorer versions 9 through 11, which make up about a quarter of all browsers. FireEye dubbed the attacks "Operation Clandestine Fox" and called the flaw "significant."
FireEye recommended that users disable Adobe Flash, saying "the attack will not work" in that case. But Adobe posted its own advisory on Monday, offering users a security update that it said will fix the problem.
Microsoft is still investigating the issue, and the company said it may fix the problem through either a scheduled or off-cycle security update.
Until then, Microsoft wrote in a separate blog post, the company recommends typical protection steps like installing anti-virus software and being cautious when visiting websites. Microsoft also suggested using Internet Explorer in "enhanced protected mode" and downloading a "toolkit" to help guard against attacks.
Those steps could help protect users of newer Windows versions until Microsoft releases a fix. But the glitch is a sobering reminder that no help is coming for users of Windows XP, as Microsoft dropped support of that operating system earlier this month.
By Julianne Pepitone
Microsoft is scrambling to fix a newly found bug in Internet Explorer, which leaves all versions of the browser open to potential attacks.
Hackers have already used the flaw to launch "limited, targeted attacks," Microsoft said a "security advisory" on Saturday.
As with many attacks, hackers can start with methods like convincing users to click on fake websites, Microsoft explained. From there, the glitch could allow attackers to run malicious software on the user's computer -- and even gain the same level of access to the computer as the real user.
It's a serious flaw, and a widespread one: Internet Explorer comprised almost 58 percent of all desktop browsers in March, according to analytics company Net Applications.
Even the Department of Homeland Security weighed in with an advisory on Monday, calling on users to run alternative web browsers until Microsoft is able to fix the problem.
The Internet Explorer issue affects the browser's versions 6 through 11, Microsoft said in its post. Microsoft's response came one day after security company FireEye revealed the flaw in a post on its own site on Friday.
FireEye said attackers are focusing mostly on Internet Explorer versions 9 through 11, which make up about a quarter of all browsers. FireEye dubbed the attacks "Operation Clandestine Fox" and called the flaw "significant."
FireEye recommended that users disable Adobe Flash, saying "the attack will not work" in that case. But Adobe posted its own advisory on Monday, offering users a security update that it said will fix the problem.
Microsoft is still investigating the issue, and the company said it may fix the problem through either a scheduled or off-cycle security update.
Until then, Microsoft wrote in a separate blog post, the company recommends typical protection steps like installing anti-virus software and being cautious when visiting websites. Microsoft also suggested using Internet Explorer in "enhanced protected mode" and downloading a "toolkit" to help guard against attacks.
Those steps could help protect users of newer Windows versions until Microsoft releases a fix. But the glitch is a sobering reminder that no help is coming for users of Windows XP, as Microsoft dropped support of that operating system earlier this month.
Well, I have made transition to a W7 machine 
. It's taken nearly three days of very intermittent activity to get most of my programs operational. I hasten to add that there was the small matter of a crashed memory module in the midst of all of this, now replaced with 2 x 2 Gb slabs and a faster machine as a result.
I'm still trying to find out how to do old familiar tasks. If it weren't for Classic Shell I'd almost certainly be back to the previous system whatever the risks. Just imagine if every time you bought a new car you discovered that the gear shift patten was the opposite of the old one, the gear lever was on the back seat anyway, the steering wheel is now in the middle of the front seat area, and you needed to turn it clockwise to go left. Then there is the small matter that the accelerator and brake pedals had been swapped around. They just have to frigg about with everything don't they
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However there are few nice features in there; it's just that the other changes obscure these for much of the time. I may get to like it in time, but there's a long way to go.
But at least Mix' will be happy.
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. It's taken nearly three days of very intermittent activity to get most of my programs operational. I hasten to add that there was the small matter of a crashed memory module in the midst of all of this, now replaced with 2 x 2 Gb slabs and a faster machine as a result.I'm still trying to find out how to do old familiar tasks. If it weren't for Classic Shell I'd almost certainly be back to the previous system whatever the risks. Just imagine if every time you bought a new car you discovered that the gear shift patten was the opposite of the old one, the gear lever was on the back seat anyway, the steering wheel is now in the middle of the front seat area, and you needed to turn it clockwise to go left. Then there is the small matter that the accelerator and brake pedals had been swapped around. They just have to frigg about with everything don't they
. However there are few nice features in there; it's just that the other changes obscure these for much of the time. I may get to like it in time, but there's a long way to go.
But at least Mix' will be happy.
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If you are directly connecting it with a public IP address, then it will be compromised, probably within hours.
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Well, I have made transition to a W7 machine .
But at least Mix' will be happy.
But at least Mix' will be happy.
You see you clinger-ons, it is possible to migrate.
As for the rest of you on page 12 etc. having fun stabbing me behind my back...
you. I'm not even going to deign you with contemplating a reply, infact I'm probably going to add you to my ignore list as a punishment... that's at least three fewer people eligible for free IT support round here.
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There's a valid point there.
When I bought a new PC some years ago, before I had a "proper" router with a firewall, I connected it to the internet to download the necessary updates and anti-virus. Before I did that, I watched to see what happened.
The first "probe" into it came after 40 seconds. I'd expected it to be a few hours, which would have allowed me to do the updates.
I downloaded the anti-virus into the old machine, and copied it across to the new one without an internet connection.
When I bought a new PC some years ago, before I had a "proper" router with a firewall, I connected it to the internet to download the necessary updates and anti-virus. Before I did that, I watched to see what happened.
The first "probe" into it came after 40 seconds. I'd expected it to be a few hours, which would have allowed me to do the updates.
I downloaded the anti-virus into the old machine, and copied it across to the new one without an internet connection.
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Microsoft: Patch Internet Explorer NOW ... er, INCLUDING XP USERS ? The Register
So the first sign of anything and their arses collapse.
Microsoft's Azure cloud wobbles in West Europe ? The Register
Someone with a clue has obviously realised that the majority of attacks are going to be targeted at M$ servers and 25% of internet users being used to attack the micro****e cloud is going to be somewhat limiting to their business plan.
So I suspect XP will subjected to numerous updates whenever the cloud has a wobble and fails to provide the customers with what they have paid for.
XP users have M$ over the barrel they can't afford to not support it or there core services will get annihilated.
So the first sign of anything and their arses collapse.
Microsoft's Azure cloud wobbles in West Europe ? The Register
Someone with a clue has obviously realised that the majority of attacks are going to be targeted at M$ servers and 25% of internet users being used to attack the micro****e cloud is going to be somewhat limiting to their business plan.
So I suspect XP will subjected to numerous updates whenever the cloud has a wobble and fails to provide the customers with what they have paid for.
XP users have M$ over the barrel they can't afford to not support it or there core services will get annihilated.
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Mixture: and in all fairness to the rest of us - Enlightened Self interest prevails see here. I meet your Four Kings with an Ace of Spades and a funny look.
Microsoft updates Windows XP to dodge IE flaw | News | PC Pro
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The Dynamic of usage has changed - M$ have at the last mil-second realized that the scope of their responsibility extends beyond their business model of profit.
Perhaps the world has changed (a bit) - PS I received very good and detailed help from their support staff in a very difficult situation a few weeks back.
I was genuinely surprised by the response.
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The Dynamic of usage has changed - M$ have at the last mil-second realized that the scope of their responsibility extends beyond their business model of profit.
Perhaps the world has changed (a bit) - PS I received very good and detailed help from their support staff in a very difficult situation a few weeks back.
I was genuinely surprised by the response.
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- Now listen, we're not going to support XP ANY MORE so you'd better get used to it.
- Oh dear, a breach in Internet Explorer....all versions you say ? And it's serious ? Right we'll issue a patch...except to those silly fools who clung on to XP.
- What, it's REALLY serious ? Oh all right then, we'll include XP. Yes, I know we said we wouldn't but....it's JUST THIS ONCE, D'YOU HEAR ME ? Won't happen again.
- Unless it does.
(Glass of water for Mr Mixture, please)
- Oh dear, a breach in Internet Explorer....all versions you say ? And it's serious ? Right we'll issue a patch...except to those silly fools who clung on to XP.
- What, it's REALLY serious ? Oh all right then, we'll include XP. Yes, I know we said we wouldn't but....it's JUST THIS ONCE, D'YOU HEAR ME ? Won't happen again.
- Unless it does.
(Glass of water for Mr Mixture, please)
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Thier whole business model relay on the clouds being accessible. And Windows 8.x needs the login server if you have the daft Windows account.
If they don't support XP the legacy users are the only ones going to be able to use their pc's. The cloud users etc are going to left with a useless brick on thier desks
If they don't support XP the legacy users are the only ones going to be able to use their pc's. The cloud users etc are going to left with a useless brick on thier desks
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Just looked at our booking servers and it was down 1% just before the alleged stopping of the support and since, its up 0.25%. So we can put that down to nothing changed and just variation over the month.
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Well, I got a new HDD and installed W7 in my desktop. After reinstalling programs etc. and copying data I decided to leave the old XP drive in for a couple of weeks in case I had forgotten something. All now seems to be well with the functioning of W7 and I appear to have got everything in its proper place on the new HDD. The old XP one is causing me little problems and is responsible for various warnings and error messages so now I want to clean up. Is it sufficient just to remove the little power connector on the old drive, leaving the drive in place and the big ribbon connector still connected? That's easier and the drive won't get lost or fall into the hands of the Philistines. Will that simple action be enough to prevent it causing problems, please?
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Is it sufficient just to remove the little power connector on the old drive, leaving the drive in place and the big ribbon connector still connected? That's easier and the drive won't get lost or fall into the hands of the Philistines. Will that simple action be enough to prevent it causing problems, please?
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Thank you for that very welcome information, Mixture. I want to get it right first time but I am no longer so flexible that I want to guddle about for longer than necessary but I don't want to have to revisit it either. My machine has always been fairly quick for an oldie (Pentium with two 3.20 cores) but it's doing everything noticeably quicker now with W7 and its new 1TB Seagate. Happy days are here again!
I'll just go and turn it on again so that I can leave my wife's laptop in peace.
I'll just go and turn it on again so that I can leave my wife's laptop in peace.
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Why not do a full format, or better still, wipe the drive? You could leave it in place and use it for backups?
There is bound to come a time when the XP drive is 'removed' and disposed of - you may sometime replace the PC and not have any IDE connectors - are you not concerned about its contents?
but I don't want to have to revisit it either.
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I am normally the most cautious of the cautious, BOAC! I'm not going to use the old drive for anything because it has some bad sectors and is also starting to get a little noisier than before. Security isn't really an issue because it's sitting two inches away from the new functioning one whose data is already more valid and rather easier to steal - and without the need for a screwdriver too!!
When the time finally comes I will smash it to bits and steal its magnet!!
Thank you for your interest and advice.
When the time finally comes I will smash it to bits and steal its magnet!!
Thank you for your interest and advice.