You know you're in Latin America when........
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When you are a big jet, and the ATC sends a small turboprop less than 3 miles ahead, and expect that you will maintain the separation...
Wound up having to ask for the parallel in Spanish, as the controller didn't see much of a conflict (at least in English). Got a beer from the US 73 crew for that one.
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You know you're in L.A.........
When you turn up at 9pm (as per invite) at friends house for a BBQ and find the host stilll out and then having to make small talk with their parents...........it took me some time to get used to turning up late on purpose!
When going on a date with a lovely lady includes an akward introduction to the entire family (parents, granny and gandpa, dog, cat etc) upon picking her up from her house.
When people don't move out of parents' place until they get married.
When the guy in the far left lane wants to turn right at the very last minute.
When the use of a hand out the window instead of using your indicators is the norm.
When a red light at night means nothing, might as well be green cause they are not stopping!
When the combis/minibuses are called "asesinas".
When a local native thinks the crew rest compartment is a loo!!!!!!!!!!!!
When Sundays are reserved for family instead of getting hammered at the local pub.
When on said day you go out for lunch and require a table for 20.
When you can have a live-in maid and a nanny, watch-man/porter and can hire a chauffeur to drive your car instead of taking a cab
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Saludos,
OW
When going on a date with a lovely lady includes an akward introduction to the entire family (parents, granny and gandpa, dog, cat etc) upon picking her up from her house.
When people don't move out of parents' place until they get married.
When the guy in the far left lane wants to turn right at the very last minute.
When the use of a hand out the window instead of using your indicators is the norm.
When a red light at night means nothing, might as well be green cause they are not stopping!
When the combis/minibuses are called "asesinas".
When a local native thinks the crew rest compartment is a loo!!!!!!!!!!!!
When Sundays are reserved for family instead of getting hammered at the local pub.
When on said day you go out for lunch and require a table for 20
.When you can have a live-in maid and a nanny, watch-man/porter and can hire a chauffeur to drive your car instead of taking a cab
.Saludos,
OW
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where a 200 hours wonder (also called "avionetero") is a copilot in Boeing737NG or Airbus 320, or where to be part of the team you must know somebody inside.......... (not to funny I know, but it's true)
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- When a 35-hour student pilot flying a Cessna 152 loses an engine, makes a text-book forced landing in a field without damaging the airplane. . . and quickly is surrounded by plenty of law enforcement people with heavy guns who assume it is a drug smuggling flight.
- When you go to your favorite little backcountry dirt stip . . . only to find out on short final that it has been "trenched" by the Federales.
- When you go to your favorite little backcountry dirt stip . . . only to find out on short final that it has been "trenched" by the Federales.
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My shot at it...
Alright, my shot at this:
You know youre flying in S. America when:
- Most of your approaches have a committed to land Altitude
- Your routes and airports have High Altitude engine out procedures
- There is a huge difference in Radar Contact and under Radar surveillance
- ATC asks you to confirm your Aircraft registration (for billing information)
- ATC requests you to reduce speed but increase your sink rate
- Center Control tells you to maintain maximum forward velocity during your descend but approach asks you to slow to final approach speed 26 miles out.
- Even Instructor Pilots waste 3800ft of runway floating just to land as smooth as possible so that the passengers clap.
- Youve been to all these interesting places but were too tired to go to see the attractions.
- The FO helps out the Captains on their Check ride and still gets a nasty critique.
- The FO in a wide body aircraft looks so young, the FAs call him THE UM!
All the best...
You know youre flying in S. America when:
- Most of your approaches have a committed to land Altitude
- Your routes and airports have High Altitude engine out procedures
- There is a huge difference in Radar Contact and under Radar surveillance
- ATC asks you to confirm your Aircraft registration (for billing information)
- ATC requests you to reduce speed but increase your sink rate
- Center Control tells you to maintain maximum forward velocity during your descend but approach asks you to slow to final approach speed 26 miles out.
- Even Instructor Pilots waste 3800ft of runway floating just to land as smooth as possible so that the passengers clap.
- Youve been to all these interesting places but were too tired to go to see the attractions.
- The FO helps out the Captains on their Check ride and still gets a nasty critique.
- The FO in a wide body aircraft looks so young, the FAs call him THE UM!
All the best...
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Radar Surveillance vs Radar contact
I hear Amazonica say "under radar surveillance" all the time. It sounds like you know what the difference is. Can you tell us?
I have always assumed they probably only have skin paints or some lower technology secondary radar capability. I do not count on radar surveillance being as good as radar contact.
I have always assumed they probably only have skin paints or some lower technology secondary radar capability. I do not count on radar surveillance being as good as radar contact.
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Rdr Ctct & Srvlnce
Hi None
This is kinda out of the thread, but here is what the P/C Glosary of the AIM has to say:
RADAR CONTACT-
a. Used by ATC to inform an aircraft that it is identified on the radar display and radar flight following will be provided until radar identification is terminated. Radar service may also be provided within the limits of necessity and capability. When a pilot is informed of "radar contact," he/she automatically discontinues reporting over compulsory reporting points.
b. The term used to inform the controller that the aircraft is identified and approval is granted for the aircraft to enter the receiving controllers airspace.
RADAR SURVEILLANCE- The radar observation of a given geographical area for the purpose of performing some radar function.
Surveillance seems to be just observation and might not include separation by the use of Radar. Also I always understood that if you are in Rdr contact you might receive vectoring services for separation, but I am not sure about that.
From a personal experience I do not trust Amazonic Ctr either, going even so far to use NAT Wake Trb. Procedures as an excuse to fly 1NM to the left of Center line all the time ( a. I just don't trust them after the GOL accident and b. I don't trust some of the operating techniques of some of the 3rd world operators down there as they might have faulty Mode C systems on board)
Hope that helps a bit...
This is kinda out of the thread, but here is what the P/C Glosary of the AIM has to say:
RADAR CONTACT-
a. Used by ATC to inform an aircraft that it is identified on the radar display and radar flight following will be provided until radar identification is terminated. Radar service may also be provided within the limits of necessity and capability. When a pilot is informed of "radar contact," he/she automatically discontinues reporting over compulsory reporting points.
b. The term used to inform the controller that the aircraft is identified and approval is granted for the aircraft to enter the receiving controllers airspace.
RADAR SURVEILLANCE- The radar observation of a given geographical area for the purpose of performing some radar function.
Surveillance seems to be just observation and might not include separation by the use of Radar. Also I always understood that if you are in Rdr contact you might receive vectoring services for separation, but I am not sure about that.
From a personal experience I do not trust Amazonic Ctr either, going even so far to use NAT Wake Trb. Procedures as an excuse to fly 1NM to the left of Center line all the time ( a. I just don't trust them after the GOL accident and b. I don't trust some of the operating techniques of some of the 3rd world operators down there as they might have faulty Mode C systems on board)
Hope that helps a bit...
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When the Instructor Pilot tells you to avoid all the SOPīS because he will show you how to flight the airplane
When you see all English level 6 speakers have only ham and eggs for breakfast
When you see all English level 6 speakers have only ham and eggs for breakfast
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When you see two pilots that are brothers being called "The Torpedo Brothers" because one is the Torpe and the other one is the Pedo
When you see a Captain being called "el chavo del 24" because he is 3 times more stupid than "el chavo del 8"
When you see a Captain being called "NEPTUNO" because he is El terror del Atlantico
When you see a Captain being called "el chavo del 24" because he is 3 times more stupid than "el chavo del 8"
When you see a Captain being called "NEPTUNO" because he is El terror del Atlantico
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10 Reasons Why Latinos Can't Be Terrorists
1) 8:00am is too early for us to be up.
2) We are always late, we would have missed all 4 flights.
3) Pretty people on the plane distract us.
4) We would talk loudly and bring attention to ourselves.
5) With food and drinks on the plane, we would forget why we're there.
6) We talk with our hands, therefore we would have to put our weapons down.
7) We would ALL want to fly the plane.
8) We would argue and start a fight in the plane.
9) We can't keep a secret, we would have told everyone a week before doing it.
10) We would have put our country's flag on the windshield.
1) 8:00am is too early for us to be up.
2) We are always late, we would have missed all 4 flights.
3) Pretty people on the plane distract us.
4) We would talk loudly and bring attention to ourselves.
5) With food and drinks on the plane, we would forget why we're there.
6) We talk with our hands, therefore we would have to put our weapons down.
7) We would ALL want to fly the plane.
8) We would argue and start a fight in the plane.
9) We can't keep a secret, we would have told everyone a week before doing it.
10) We would have put our country's flag on the windshield.
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my personal favorite... when your pilot works out where he is by "identifying" the NDB by listening to the local radio station being broadcast which is piggy backed on the NDB's frequency...
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When entry paperwork takes 5 hours before you get clearance...
When you are asked a billion times if you have insurance, and you do.
When DGCA finds out that your wife is also a pilot, both licenses are then photocopied.
When you forgot to lower your gear and have come to a complete stop, ATC yells to abort landing!!! and you do, lol! after damaging your propellers. Yes, I saw it with my own eyes!
When you are ferrying a small piston full of corrosion with no interior and the carry-thru spar is visible with a whole bunch of missing rivets, inspector tells you that you are grounded for no interior, nothing about the corrosion is noticed.
When you see outboard motor fuel containers being taken out...
While at the security gate you are given the strict routine when another vehicle just speeds right thru and the security guard doesn't even lift his head up to look or even appear to hear it....
When your pilot had only 1 Hr. of sleep and reeks of alcohol!!!
When airport is fogged out you hear heavies all around flying very low trying to get a visual on runway.
When your Chief Pilot tells you to abort landing because he wants to take-off!
When you crash because of water contamination (fuel) around the same time your wife is messing around with JOE GRIND, lol.
My personal favorite, of course:
When the "No-Smoking" sign actually means "designated smoking area".
When you see a CUBANA airplane, DUH!
When Ben Franklin is your only friend that seems to get things done!
When you are asked a billion times if you have insurance, and you do.
When DGCA finds out that your wife is also a pilot, both licenses are then photocopied.
When you forgot to lower your gear and have come to a complete stop, ATC yells to abort landing!!! and you do, lol! after damaging your propellers. Yes, I saw it with my own eyes!
When you are ferrying a small piston full of corrosion with no interior and the carry-thru spar is visible with a whole bunch of missing rivets, inspector tells you that you are grounded for no interior, nothing about the corrosion is noticed.
When you see outboard motor fuel containers being taken out...
While at the security gate you are given the strict routine when another vehicle just speeds right thru and the security guard doesn't even lift his head up to look or even appear to hear it....
When your pilot had only 1 Hr. of sleep and reeks of alcohol!!!
When airport is fogged out you hear heavies all around flying very low trying to get a visual on runway.
When your Chief Pilot tells you to abort landing because he wants to take-off!
When you crash because of water contamination (fuel) around the same time your wife is messing around with JOE GRIND, lol.
My personal favorite, of course:
When the "No-Smoking" sign actually means "designated smoking area".
When you see a CUBANA airplane, DUH!
When Ben Franklin is your only friend that seems to get things done!
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When you can not leave your plane alone at some airports because your fuel is going to be stolen...
When you are expected to take 6 adults, full fuel, a tractor clutch disk, 50kg of food and 80kg of other stuff up in a C210 and you now you are going to have a hard time getting other flights if you dont do so...
When ATC asks you to land on a the paralell taxiway to allow an airliner to land on the main runway at the same time becouse they messed up the sequence.....
When you know allmost all other pilots on frequency personaly....
When some pilots of the local airline lie about their position to be nr one for landig (no radar)...
When you dont know if your transponder is working becouse you never use it since there is no single radar in the whole country....
When you are expected to take 6 adults, full fuel, a tractor clutch disk, 50kg of food and 80kg of other stuff up in a C210 and you now you are going to have a hard time getting other flights if you dont do so...
When ATC asks you to land on a the paralell taxiway to allow an airliner to land on the main runway at the same time becouse they messed up the sequence.....
When you know allmost all other pilots on frequency personaly....
When some pilots of the local airline lie about their position to be nr one for landig (no radar)...
When you dont know if your transponder is working becouse you never use it since there is no single radar in the whole country....