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Does anyone have the scoop on 4 star air cargo. I'm starting at the bottom (2nd career type guy). Based on having just entry level pilot experience ,I'd like to FO in the Caribbean cargo world. Just a little concerned on maintenance and other general practice type issues.
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I flirted with them for a little bit. It was tough to say no, but I just couldn't take the job. Basically, they returned my email for a position offering me an interview on a Tuesday for the following Monday and starting training the next day. That was all well and good but money is a little tight for me right now and though I live in Miami, the stuff I can't sell I'd have to move back up north to my parents' in Providence and they offer no relocation assistance...
On the positive side, they recruiter I spoke with was friendly and genuine, I could they wanted to help their employees but the problem is that of most companies in the Caribbean $$$$. No medical, no benefits, and like most companies south of Broward County... no taxes. Pay up front is $50 per "flight credit" which equates to between 1 hour and 1.5 hours of flying depending upon route. She said the pilot who wants to fly as much as possible will pull between 8 to 12 "credits" per week depending up wx, mx, and whatever. The result... your looking at about $2K per month. She also mentioned the oppurtunity to work in the mechanic's shop as an assistant to earn extra, but didn't give a number behind it, I figure working and flying crazy 12 hours days 6 days a week will probably net you maybe $3K? on an awesome month (pre tax of course). I was told upgrade to PIC is about a year to year and a half, (no idea about pay raise).
When it comes to transportation and travel, your pretty much on your own the airport Luis Muniz has no buses to the cargo portion (meaning having to buy a car right away) and she couldn't offer much assistance to a gringo that would stick out like a sore thumb.
Don't get me wrong, despite all that said I'm sure its a great job, its just theres no way I could afford it. Even today a DC-3 type would definitely look great on a resume and would impress any old time chief pilot looking to hire you down the line. Again I'd love to have taken the job there was just no way it was feasable financially for me, especially on such short notice.
When I applied in early October their mins were 1000TT, she said they had over 200 responses which dwindling down pretty quick, last ads I saw were for a week ago wanting at least 300 so they may have filled their positions right now... but sit tight cargo has a high turnover!
Hope it helps!
On the positive side, they recruiter I spoke with was friendly and genuine, I could they wanted to help their employees but the problem is that of most companies in the Caribbean $$$$. No medical, no benefits, and like most companies south of Broward County... no taxes. Pay up front is $50 per "flight credit" which equates to between 1 hour and 1.5 hours of flying depending upon route. She said the pilot who wants to fly as much as possible will pull between 8 to 12 "credits" per week depending up wx, mx, and whatever. The result... your looking at about $2K per month. She also mentioned the oppurtunity to work in the mechanic's shop as an assistant to earn extra, but didn't give a number behind it, I figure working and flying crazy 12 hours days 6 days a week will probably net you maybe $3K? on an awesome month (pre tax of course). I was told upgrade to PIC is about a year to year and a half, (no idea about pay raise).
When it comes to transportation and travel, your pretty much on your own the airport Luis Muniz has no buses to the cargo portion (meaning having to buy a car right away) and she couldn't offer much assistance to a gringo that would stick out like a sore thumb.
Don't get me wrong, despite all that said I'm sure its a great job, its just theres no way I could afford it. Even today a DC-3 type would definitely look great on a resume and would impress any old time chief pilot looking to hire you down the line. Again I'd love to have taken the job there was just no way it was feasable financially for me, especially on such short notice.
When I applied in early October their mins were 1000TT, she said they had over 200 responses which dwindling down pretty quick, last ads I saw were for a week ago wanting at least 300 so they may have filled their positions right now... but sit tight cargo has a high turnover!
Hope it helps!
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"I wouldn't go there" Explain?
You don't think its a good idea to be involved with Four Star ?
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You don't think its a good idea to say DC-3 on a resume is outdated?
You don't think its a good idea to be involved with Four Star ?
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You don't think its a good idea to say DC-3 on a resume is outdated?
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Four Star - Early 80's St. Thomas
I flew with Wild Man Paul Wikander at Virgin Air for 2 years back in 83 & 84. Four Star was our neighbor.
1) Crime in St. Thomas was terrible 20+ years ago. I can't even imagine what it would be like now. I rescued a pilot being beaten by two local punks at the old airport at 2am one night. Real tough. They hauled ass when they found out the odds were near even. If you ever need help from the Cops...good luck. Yes, Obama for President.
2) Crowding from hordes of tourists on the cheap track was making me wonder why the island didn't sink under their weight. Sometimes 7 cruise ships would tie up or park just offshore...dumping even more tourists that didn't get off the airlines, polluting already polluted waters etc.
3) Surly & crappy attitudes of the locals. I've flown all over the world (now in Sudan) & this is without a doubt the WORST place for surly attitudes from the locals.
4) The infrastructure was falling apart with electricity going off several times a day.
My recommendation: Stay the hell out.
Also, ever try loading 6,000+ pounds of cargo by hand into a DC-3? I have & "it ain't no fun" especially in 95+ degree heat.
Ever flown a DC-3? I have. It flies like a winged pig. One of the most over-rated aircraft in history. A Lockheed Lodestar will fly circles around it & carry almost as much.
Good luck.
1) Crime in St. Thomas was terrible 20+ years ago. I can't even imagine what it would be like now. I rescued a pilot being beaten by two local punks at the old airport at 2am one night. Real tough. They hauled ass when they found out the odds were near even. If you ever need help from the Cops...good luck. Yes, Obama for President.
2) Crowding from hordes of tourists on the cheap track was making me wonder why the island didn't sink under their weight. Sometimes 7 cruise ships would tie up or park just offshore...dumping even more tourists that didn't get off the airlines, polluting already polluted waters etc.
3) Surly & crappy attitudes of the locals. I've flown all over the world (now in Sudan) & this is without a doubt the WORST place for surly attitudes from the locals.
4) The infrastructure was falling apart with electricity going off several times a day.
My recommendation: Stay the hell out.
Also, ever try loading 6,000+ pounds of cargo by hand into a DC-3? I have & "it ain't no fun" especially in 95+ degree heat.
Ever flown a DC-3? I have. It flies like a winged pig. One of the most over-rated aircraft in history. A Lockheed Lodestar will fly circles around it & carry almost as much.
Good luck.
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Wow Contrabando - strong words there. It makes me very sad that the DC-3 has to get a bum reputation because of the people that operate it. The DC-3 is sedate and forgiving, but "handling like a pig"?. Having some experience of the Caribbean DC-3 mechanics, I suspect the airplane you flew was as badly rigged as the others I saw in the same area. The pilots by en-large were of atrocious quality too - with shocking witchcraft and supertstition prevalent. Four Star I believe are making a conscious effort to improve the operation and shake the reputation they have. Flying big radials is not for sissies - but it helps a lot if you do it right.
"Ever flown a DC-3? I have. It flies like a winged pig. One of the most over-rated aircraft in history"
That statement was just to get a rise out of some people, I suspect.
I have flown the DC-3 plenty enough hours and I KNOW where it got its good reputation from. Its a good airplane and it deserves its praise. If anything the fact that scheduled airlines still operate them should bear that out.
"Ever flown a DC-3? I have. It flies like a winged pig. One of the most over-rated aircraft in history"
That statement was just to get a rise out of some people, I suspect.I have flown the DC-3 plenty enough hours and I KNOW where it got its good reputation from. Its a good airplane and it deserves its praise. If anything the fact that scheduled airlines still operate them should bear that out.
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Contrabando.. You had to walk by our hangar there Air Center Helicopters. Hop on over to the thread on Seaborne. Tower Dog worked for Paul about the same time you did.. Paul by the way hung it up a couple years ago. He and the F,A&A didnt get along very well.
I still have my wholey Four Star T shirt given to me by one of the mechs there. Bunch of good guys. Times there have seriously changed with new ownership. It would behoove someone looking for work there to put their face in the door first. I dont have the latest.
Again if you want to be an island person, check the pissin contest on the seaborne thread and it will give you an idea of the "local" attitude.
Other than that it was sweet to see those DC-3s all around the islands......
P.S. They have really neat T Shirts, I need another one.........
I still have my wholey Four Star T shirt given to me by one of the mechs there. Bunch of good guys. Times there have seriously changed with new ownership. It would behoove someone looking for work there to put their face in the door first. I dont have the latest.
Again if you want to be an island person, check the pissin contest on the seaborne thread and it will give you an idea of the "local" attitude.
Other than that it was sweet to see those DC-3s all around the islands......
P.S. They have really neat T Shirts, I need another one.........
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Seriously! Carefull of this company. I flew down there for a while with another pax commuter and it was great, always wanted to fly the DC3 but no way would I ever fly for them.
They are in the old Tol Air hangar in San Juan, Four Star is now owned and ran by a Stewart Diamond and corporate hq in Philadelphia. Even if they offer you a job with 100TT, dont do it, its companys like this that drive pay and credibility down for everyone of us.
Plenty of flying jobs in and around PR that are better.
Cape Air
Vieques Air Link
Seaborne
Air Flamenco
Air Sunshine
Fly BVI (be carefull of them though too)
Air Tahoma
They are in the old Tol Air hangar in San Juan, Four Star is now owned and ran by a Stewart Diamond and corporate hq in Philadelphia. Even if they offer you a job with 100TT, dont do it, its companys like this that drive pay and credibility down for everyone of us.
Plenty of flying jobs in and around PR that are better.
Cape Air
Vieques Air Link
Seaborne
Air Flamenco
Air Sunshine
Fly BVI (be carefull of them though too)
Air Tahoma
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I was recently in San Juan and the USVI. Four Star caught my eye with their all DC-3 fleet. I done some googling on them and I'm not sure what to make of them. Their main HQ is in Philadelphia run by a Harvard Educated lawyer who teaches law and has an MBA from Wharton. The next in command holds an ATP, Wharton MBA, Merril Lynch hot-shot and ex Navy Seal. I played customer and requested a cargo quote. Talked to a pleasant fellow, they basically charge $90 for anything under 100 lbs.
There bio's are online and intially thy look very impressive but then I have to wonder as it seems they get a new challenge every 6-18 months.
Again, not sure what to make of Wharton MBA's running DC-3's. You would think they would be more forward thinking.
So is this just a hobby business? Or a front for the CIA? That ex Navy Seal may have connections and having 3-5 DC-3 could move a lot of stuff around on a short notice.
There bio's are online and intially thy look very impressive but then I have to wonder as it seems they get a new challenge every 6-18 months.
Again, not sure what to make of Wharton MBA's running DC-3's. You would think they would be more forward thinking.
So is this just a hobby business? Or a front for the CIA? That ex Navy Seal may have connections and having 3-5 DC-3 could move a lot of stuff around on a short notice.
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There are a lot of Navy Seals today, some even were......
What I saw from the hangar next door was a good group of hard working Mechanics and a company running DC-3s making money when the Turbine boys were hurting.
Something happened , I believe it was the death of the or one of the owners and the chaos began. Ended up with the new kids on the block coming to save a profitable company. The rest is now what we see. For more current, your going to have to stick your nose in the door, I have no clue and can only speak about what I saw in STT.
As with any cargo operator there is a chance some sureptious dealings exists. American Airlines brings in Coke from Columbia. That does not mean they know about it.... Front for the CIA, doubtful, I think your watching to many Bruce Willis movies.
I think thats what got them in the mess. DC-3s were paid for and making a profit. Buy some new fangled $30 Mil whatever and there goes the black ink.
There are a lot of Navy Seals today, some even were......
What I saw from the hangar next door was a good group of hard working Mechanics and a company running DC-3s making money when the Turbine boys were hurting.
Something happened , I believe it was the death of the or one of the owners and the chaos began. Ended up with the new kids on the block coming to save a profitable company. The rest is now what we see. For more current, your going to have to stick your nose in the door, I have no clue and can only speak about what I saw in STT.
As with any cargo operator there is a chance some sureptious dealings exists. American Airlines brings in Coke from Columbia. That does not mean they know about it.... Front for the CIA, doubtful, I think your watching to many Bruce Willis movies.
You would think they would be more forward thinking.
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Aye Four Star:
I was in STT when they were born and knew the initial folks.
My ex-wife flew for them for a while.
Still see 'em aorund now and then and if I was a young guy need'n to build time, that would be a good gig.
When I flew DC-3s out of STT back in the 80s, the left seat was mine after some 30 hours on the right side. Easy enough airplane if one has tail-dragger background.
Hmm, never heard that before.
The Lodestar was a good airplane but never a commercial success like
the -3. Wonder why?
As far as I am concerned the DC-3 is a fine flying-machine and all other DC-3 pilots agree.
Specifically what is the "winged pig" indications?
I was in STT when they were born and knew the initial folks.
My ex-wife flew for them for a while.
Still see 'em aorund now and then and if I was a young guy need'n to build time, that would be a good gig.
When I flew DC-3s out of STT back in the 80s, the left seat was mine after some 30 hours on the right side. Easy enough airplane if one has tail-dragger background.
Ever flown a DC-3? I have. It flies like a winged pig. One of the most over-rated aircraft in history.
A Lockheed Lodestar will fly circles around it & carry almost as much.
the -3. Wonder why?
As far as I am concerned the DC-3 is a fine flying-machine and all other DC-3 pilots agree.
Specifically what is the "winged pig" indications?
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Somebody down there was running a twin beech doing cargo etc. It was really looking tired. What was so cool was him taking off. The sound of those engines screming down the runway really made my day. Max climbing right turn....wow.
Saw one of the twin beeches from someone on Virgin Gorda a few years ago. Wheels up, made a mess of the props. No problem, jack it up and fly it off to somewhere. Engine Inspections?? we dont need no Fin engine inspections...............zoom gone in the night.
FAA..........probably heard about them down there, saw more than one person tell them to F off and they did. No sense making work when you have a guaranteed check every month. no quesions no problems and island life is good............
Saw one of the twin beeches from someone on Virgin Gorda a few years ago. Wheels up, made a mess of the props. No problem, jack it up and fly it off to somewhere. Engine Inspections?? we dont need no F
in engine inspections...............zoom gone in the night.FAA..........probably heard about them down there, saw more than one person tell them to F
off and they did. No sense making work when you have a guaranteed check every month. no quesions no problems and island life is good............
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Somebody down there was running a twin beech doing cargo etc. It was really looking tired. What was so cool was him taking off.
Then Bohlke in STX had a blue Beach 18, G model with "walking gear".
I got a few hours in each of those airplanes..Liked the DC-3 better, more room, less work.
Hat of to the B-18 pilots, especially after finding out the fire bottles was wired shut, Paul did not want us to fire them bottles, too expensive to recharge you know.
