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Commercial Pilot wishing to work in Canada
Hi everyone! 
I'm an FAA/EASA commercial Multi-engine pilot with an instrument rating living in Paris-France, 22 years old, I fluently speak English, French and Arabic and currently working on obtaining an online Bachelor of Science in Aeronautics at Embry Riddle. I have 250 TT, 100 PIC, and 55 ME. I have flown in the USA, France and Greece.
Needless to say, I have limited experience!
I've sent job applications to many airlines (Charter, Safari, regional and major) in every corner of the world and only received replies from a few, and those who did reply say they are looking for experienced pilots. All major airlines require experience on type.
I'm thinking of working in Canada as a flight instructor (or any other pilot job where low time pilots are accepted) after completing a flight instructor's course. However, being a non-Canadian citizen, in order to obtain a work permit and then request a permanent resident status, I will need to do a study program that is at least 24 months long (and get a job of course)
My question is- - - - - - - - - - - -: What is the best flight school where I can obtain a flight instructor's license and at the same time transfer my credit hours from Embry Riddle and continue my university program in order to fulfill the immigration requirements? By "best" I mean where I have a relatively greater chance of getting hired after I finish my training.
Also, my resources are not unlimited: what are the chances of getting a part time job in Canada that I can use to fund my daily expenses?
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and snobs of the aviation world: PLEASE stay away, I'm not interested in your opinion! 
I'm an FAA/EASA commercial Multi-engine pilot with an instrument rating living in Paris-France, 22 years old, I fluently speak English, French and Arabic and currently working on obtaining an online Bachelor of Science in Aeronautics at Embry Riddle. I have 250 TT, 100 PIC, and 55 ME. I have flown in the USA, France and Greece. Needless to say, I have limited experience!
I've sent job applications to many airlines (Charter, Safari, regional and major) in every corner of the world and only received replies from a few, and those who did reply say they are looking for experienced pilots. All major airlines require experience on type.
I'm thinking of working in Canada as a flight instructor (or any other pilot job where low time pilots are accepted) after completing a flight instructor's course. However, being a non-Canadian citizen, in order to obtain a work permit and then request a permanent resident status, I will need to do a study program that is at least 24 months long (and get a job of course)
My question is- - - - - - - - - - - -: What is the best flight school where I can obtain a flight instructor's license and at the same time transfer my credit hours from Embry Riddle and continue my university program in order to fulfill the immigration requirements? By "best" I mean where I have a relatively greater chance of getting hired after I finish my training.
Also, my resources are not unlimited: what are the chances of getting a part time job in Canada that I can use to fund my daily expenses?
Eternal pessimists
and snobs of the aviation world: PLEASE stay away, I'm not interested in your opinion!
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Start by reading this thread that I wrote just yesterday and see how many you miss!
http://www.pprune.org/canada/524863-...ob-canada.html
http://www.pprune.org/canada/524863-...ob-canada.html
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Good On You, 'Just...'
Well said and great post!
Canada has enough excellent pilots waiting on the sideline for a job. I hope that the 'hiring culture' in Canada is solidifying to protect our own.
Anybody wanting to come here with 250 hours, speak 100 languages, can, IMHO...Go Fly a Kite! I'll give a Canadian pilot with the 250 hours the chance.
Canada has enough excellent pilots waiting on the sideline for a job. I hope that the 'hiring culture' in Canada is solidifying to protect our own.
Anybody wanting to come here with 250 hours, speak 100 languages, can, IMHO...Go Fly a Kite! I'll give a Canadian pilot with the 250 hours the chance.
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Just, In all fairness, he does recognize that he doesn't have the right to work, and that he is trying to go through the school system route to get a work permit.
Mzsurnuage, I understand what you are trying to ask, but most of us on here wouldn't be able to answer that question properly and may end up giving you the wrong info.
I do know however, that most of those questions can be found on the immigration website pertaining to the work situation.
As for the best school to get a job... that pretty much depends on who you talk to.
One thing that you may want to check, and I think I may be correct on this but not entirely sure, to work after you study, it is only in the field that you studied in.
Mzsurnuage, I understand what you are trying to ask, but most of us on here wouldn't be able to answer that question properly and may end up giving you the wrong info.
I do know however, that most of those questions can be found on the immigration website pertaining to the work situation.
As for the best school to get a job... that pretty much depends on who you talk to.
One thing that you may want to check, and I think I may be correct on this but not entirely sure, to work after you study, it is only in the field that you studied in.
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lilflyboy262: Thank you! I will do some more research!
777AV8R: "Canada has enough excellent pilots": I have no doubt in that! However, your agressive attitude tells more about YOU
justagigolo77: Please refer to the last sentence in my post. Thank you.
I will do some more research! 777AV8R: "Canada has enough excellent pilots": I have no doubt in that! However, your agressive attitude tells more about YOU
justagigolo77: Please refer to the last sentence in my post. Thank you.
Why don't you go to www.cic.gc.ca and research what it tales to get a work permit or permanent residency here in Canada.
The willingness to do some research shows initiative. That a lot of new posters don't bother to run a search and ask questions asked before is annoying. Hence the post made by jg77.
I did immigrate to Canada to work, bit I had quite a few hours, and I had unique qualifications to get my foot in the door in Canadian aviation.
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The willingness to do some research shows initiative. That a lot of new posters don't bother to run a search and ask questions asked before is annoying. Hence the post made by jg77.
I did immigrate to Canada to work, bit I had quite a few hours, and I had unique qualifications to get my foot in the door in Canadian aviation.
Cheers
H.
mzsurnuage:
There is no pessimism or snobbery in j77's posting. Is it a little cynical? Most definitely. But that doesn't take away any of the factual reality that he presents. Everything he says is 100% factual. Those lucky few foreign pilots who are working in Canada have done so by doing their research and walking the long, hard road that it takes for a non-Canadian to get there. They did not find a magic bullet so don't expect someone to magically appear on this or any other forum and give you one. Many have been trying for years, without success.
There is no pessimism or snobbery in j77's posting. Is it a little cynical? Most definitely. But that doesn't take away any of the factual reality that he presents. Everything he says is 100% factual. Those lucky few foreign pilots who are working in Canada have done so by doing their research and walking the long, hard road that it takes for a non-Canadian to get there. They did not find a magic bullet so don't expect someone to magically appear on this or any other forum and give you one. Many have been trying for years, without success.
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Relax everyone! I've made some research (this thread is part of the research!) and I understand the procedure for obtaining Canadian work and residence permits, I also understand that I will need to convert my FAA license!!
justagigolo77: "Your answers are all there but you want the easy answer" "Don't be lazy and believe what we say, there is no magic formula".
It's amazing how you've decided, based on one post, that I'm lazy and looking for magic formulas and easy answers! How much can a simple post tell you about someone? I would appreciate if you would refrain from personal attacks. That said, your last post is quite insightful, thanks for the advice, I appreciate it!
J.O: "...have done so by doing their research and walking the long, hard road that it takes for a non-Canadian to get there":
I never said it would be easy!!
My question is simple: Based on your experiences what are the best flight schools where it is possible to get an aviation degree while at the same time obtain a flight instructor's license, and possibly other ratings? No personal attacks please
justagigolo77: "Your answers are all there but you want the easy answer" "Don't be lazy and believe what we say, there is no magic formula".
It's amazing how you've decided, based on one post, that I'm lazy and looking for magic formulas and easy answers! How much can a simple post tell you about someone? I would appreciate if you would refrain from personal attacks. That said, your last post is quite insightful, thanks for the advice, I appreciate it!
J.O: "...have done so by doing their research and walking the long, hard road that it takes for a non-Canadian to get there":
I never said it would be easy!!
My question is simple: Based on your experiences what are the best flight schools where it is possible to get an aviation degree while at the same time obtain a flight instructor's license, and possibly other ratings? No personal attacks please
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One thing I do hate with aviation, and this thread smacks of it, is how a lot of small minded some people are about their own countrymen getting the jobs in their country. Then when the opportunity arises overseas for them to get ahead in their career with better pay and conditions... they quickly jump ship without thought of the locals who they have stepped on to get that job.
Do I believe that there should be some form of protection in their own market? Yes. I do. And there is sufficient protection in that already.
Should someone who has the proper qualifications and permits be looked over because they are non-canadian?
No.
Specially if they are better in the cockpit than local pilots.
Simple thing to do mzs, just find the bigger flight schools that are a recognised college system. Do the course that is offered, then you can apply for a work permit for two years.
After one year of work, you can apply for a work permit to work anywhere in the country. This can take up to 13 months.
Continue working on your old permit until that expires, you will have two years experience in the country, around 800-1000hrs experience and then have a bit of knowledge of where to go from there.
The route isn't easy but it can be done.
After the study program, if your work permit still hasn't finished being issued, look into the working holiday program.
This allows you to work anywhere in the country in just about any job, for one year. It is a non extendable permit open for 18-35yr olds.
I'm not sure if you can do this one though if you have already been in country working previously.
I wouldn't suggest using the working holiday permit right now as your hours are too low. You would end up wasting most of it chucking bags on a ramp somewhere, or working dispatch.
Do I believe that there should be some form of protection in their own market? Yes. I do. And there is sufficient protection in that already.
Should someone who has the proper qualifications and permits be looked over because they are non-canadian?
No.
Specially if they are better in the cockpit than local pilots.
Simple thing to do mzs, just find the bigger flight schools that are a recognised college system. Do the course that is offered, then you can apply for a work permit for two years.
After one year of work, you can apply for a work permit to work anywhere in the country. This can take up to 13 months.
Continue working on your old permit until that expires, you will have two years experience in the country, around 800-1000hrs experience and then have a bit of knowledge of where to go from there.
The route isn't easy but it can be done.
After the study program, if your work permit still hasn't finished being issued, look into the working holiday program.
This allows you to work anywhere in the country in just about any job, for one year. It is a non extendable permit open for 18-35yr olds.
I'm not sure if you can do this one though if you have already been in country working previously.
I wouldn't suggest using the working holiday permit right now as your hours are too low. You would end up wasting most of it chucking bags on a ramp somewhere, or working dispatch.
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One thing I do hate with aviation, and this thread smacks of it, is how a lot of small minded some people are about their own countrymen getting the jobs in their country. Then when the opportunity arises overseas for them to get ahead in their career with better pay and conditions... they quickly jump ship without thought of the locals who they have stepped on to get that job.
In Canada there are more pilots than there are jobs.
Anyone with any sense is an eternal pessimist because that is the nature of the horribly unstable job market for pilots that has always existed and always will. I am a snob because I worked very hard to get to where I am and I won't apologize to you or anyone for it.
Want some advice from me ? Prove to me that you are not the immature, condescending, it is all about me,
that the last sentence of your post implies....
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Canadian Pilots....
I'll protect the Canadian Pilot. I'm still of the opinion that those who enter the field in Canada, are culturally miles ahead of the competition.
I'll hire a you first.
I'll hire a you first.
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I'm sorry, but when it comes to the safety of flying my loved ones around, I want the best person for the job sitting up front, and not someone who is there because they are local.
It's no different to if I was going under the knife. If we were talking about filling cups at Tim Hortons, or working at an accountancy firm, then I totally agree and there is no reason for locals to not be working those jobs.
I love Canada and its people. And I had an amazing time there. I can't speak any higher of the people there, but I have had some shockers of both co-jo's and captains.
Most of the co-pilots I flew with had no idea about icing, and some captains had no idea about basic NDB work. This local knowledge stuff is crap.
Someone who grew up flying in the GTA has no idea what its like only a 12hr drive north.
Culture? Right so ripping on natives is the correct way to go about cultural sensitivity?
There is a lot of work available in Canada for new pilots. They just have to go out and find it. Most will turn their nose up at a C206 up north, or at working the ramp or dispatch for a while.
I'm just a firm believer in hiring the best suited for the job. Not the cheapest, not the most entitled. But the best.
If they are legally allowed to be employed by my company, then all the power to them.
Solution. Be better than the other guy.
The problem with India was not the amount of Indian pilots available. There is more than enough of them world wide. The problem is in the training and the corruption. We all know the costs involved in failed line training or an accident.
So yes. Expats are standing on the heads of local pilots who are in turn having to look elsewhere. Such as Canada.
The same problem is throughout Africa as well. Look at the situation in Southern Africa now where you have to have minimum of 500 to 1000hrs as an expat before they will allow you to get a work permit.
Usually the person who is first to scream protect the local pilots, are the first ones to complain when they can't get a job overseas. I've seen it with my own eyes in my travels. You actually have no idea how LUCKY you have it in Canada.
Try starting off in a place like New Zealand. GA is non-existent. You can't fly single pilot IFR until you have 750hrs. The only two crew ops are the major airlines who wont hire until at least 1500hrs.
Can't do Parachute Ops until you have 200PIC. Can only instruct, but only after you have got to 250hrs. Most companies will offer a job, for free, instructing for the first 6 months while you are under supervision, then you are out.
Only 20% of Kiwi pilots ever make it commercially.
I still can't get over my first Canadian co-pilot who had 500hrs, no multi or turbine time, and was bitching about being on a Caravan in a crappy little northern town, and that he should be on at least a 1900.
I had to leave my country and fly C206s in the desert of an African country until 1000hrs minimum before I was allowed near a C208.
@Big Pistons, your post is a bit hypocritical don't you think? Saying you don't care what he thinks, but then thinking he is condescending and immature for implying the same thing to people who want to put him down?
I'm not trying to wind you up. I have read a lot of your posts over on Avcanada and have a lot of respect for your opinions.
It's no different to if I was going under the knife. If we were talking about filling cups at Tim Hortons, or working at an accountancy firm, then I totally agree and there is no reason for locals to not be working those jobs.
I love Canada and its people. And I had an amazing time there. I can't speak any higher of the people there, but I have had some shockers of both co-jo's and captains.
Most of the co-pilots I flew with had no idea about icing, and some captains had no idea about basic NDB work. This local knowledge stuff is crap.
Someone who grew up flying in the GTA has no idea what its like only a 12hr drive north.
Culture? Right so ripping on natives is the correct way to go about cultural sensitivity?
There is a lot of work available in Canada for new pilots. They just have to go out and find it. Most will turn their nose up at a C206 up north, or at working the ramp or dispatch for a while.
I'm just a firm believer in hiring the best suited for the job. Not the cheapest, not the most entitled. But the best.
If they are legally allowed to be employed by my company, then all the power to them.
Solution. Be better than the other guy.
The problem with India was not the amount of Indian pilots available. There is more than enough of them world wide. The problem is in the training and the corruption. We all know the costs involved in failed line training or an accident.
So yes. Expats are standing on the heads of local pilots who are in turn having to look elsewhere. Such as Canada.
The same problem is throughout Africa as well. Look at the situation in Southern Africa now where you have to have minimum of 500 to 1000hrs as an expat before they will allow you to get a work permit.
Usually the person who is first to scream protect the local pilots, are the first ones to complain when they can't get a job overseas. I've seen it with my own eyes in my travels. You actually have no idea how LUCKY you have it in Canada.
Try starting off in a place like New Zealand. GA is non-existent. You can't fly single pilot IFR until you have 750hrs. The only two crew ops are the major airlines who wont hire until at least 1500hrs.
Can't do Parachute Ops until you have 200PIC. Can only instruct, but only after you have got to 250hrs. Most companies will offer a job, for free, instructing for the first 6 months while you are under supervision, then you are out.
Only 20% of Kiwi pilots ever make it commercially.
I still can't get over my first Canadian co-pilot who had 500hrs, no multi or turbine time, and was bitching about being on a Caravan in a crappy little northern town, and that he should be on at least a 1900.
I had to leave my country and fly C206s in the desert of an African country until 1000hrs minimum before I was allowed near a C208.
@Big Pistons, your post is a bit hypocritical don't you think? Saying you don't care what he thinks, but then thinking he is condescending and immature for implying the same thing to people who want to put him down?
I'm not trying to wind you up. I have read a lot of your posts over on Avcanada and have a lot of respect for your opinions.
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Well said and thank you lilflyboy262....2.
All the best Mz. I think what has been said in this thread should push you more to achieve your goals.
Well said and thank you lilflyboy262....2.
All the best Mz. I think what has been said in this thread should push you more to achieve your goals.
lilflyboy262 Simple thing to do mzs, just find the bigger flight schools that are a recognised college system. Do the course that is offered, then you can apply for a work permit for two years.
After one year of work, you can apply for a work permit to work anywhere in the country. This can take up to 13 months.
Continue working on your old permit until that expires, you will have two years experience in the country, around 800-1000hrs experience and then have a bit of knowledge of where to go from there.
The route isn't easy but it can be done.
After one year of work, you can apply for a work permit to work anywhere in the country. This can take up to 13 months.
Continue working on your old permit until that expires, you will have two years experience in the country, around 800-1000hrs experience and then have a bit of knowledge of where to go from there.
The route isn't easy but it can be done.
justagigolo77: I don't give a rats a$$......Do I believe in protectionism, you bet your ass I do if there is a surplus of pilots to jobs as we have right now..
I'm sorry, but when it comes to the safety of flying my loved ones around, I want the best person for the job sitting up front, and not someone who is there because they are local.
It's no different to if I was going under the knife. If we were talking about filling cups at Tim Hortons, or working at an accountancy firm, then I totally agree and there is no reason for locals to not be working those jobs.
I love Canada and its people. And I had an amazing time there. I can't speak any higher of the people there, but I have had some shockers of both co-jo's and captains.
Most of the co-pilots I flew with had no idea about icing, and some captains had no idea about basic NDB work. This local knowledge stuff is crap.
Someone who grew up flying in the GTA has no idea what its like only a 12hr drive north.
Culture? Right so ripping on natives is the correct way to go about cultural sensitivity?
There is a lot of work available in Canada for new pilots. They just have to go out and find it. Most will turn their nose up at a C206 up north, or at working the ramp or dispatch for a while.
I'm just a firm believer in hiring the best suited for the job. Not the cheapest, not the most entitled. But the best.
If they are legally allowed to be employed by my company, then all the power to them.
Solution. Be better than the other guy.
The problem with India was not the amount of Indian pilots available. There is more than enough of them world wide. The problem is in the training and the corruption. We all know the costs involved in failed line training or an accident.
So yes. Expats are standing on the heads of local pilots who are in turn having to look elsewhere. Such as Canada.
The same problem is throughout Africa as well. Look at the situation in Southern Africa now where you have to have minimum of 500 to 1000hrs as an expat before they will allow you to get a work permit.
Usually the person who is first to scream protect the local pilots, are the first ones to complain when they can't get a job overseas. I've seen it with my own eyes in my travels. You actually have no idea how LUCKY you have it in Canada.
Try starting off in a place like New Zealand. GA is non-existent. You can't fly single pilot IFR until you have 750hrs. The only two crew ops are the major airlines who wont hire until at least 1500hrs.
Can't do Parachute Ops until you have 200PIC. Can only instruct, but only after you have got to 250hrs. Most companies will offer a job, for free, instructing for the first 6 months while you are under supervision, then you are out.
Only 20% of Kiwi pilots ever make it commercially.
I still can't get over my first Canadian co-pilot who had 500hrs, no multi or turbine time, and was bitching about being on a Caravan in a crappy little northern town, and that he should be on at least a 1900.
I had to leave my country and fly C206s in the desert of an African country until 1000hrs minimum before I was allowed near a C208.
@Big Pistons, your post is a bit hypocritical don't you think? Saying you don't care what he thinks, but then thinking he is condescending and immature for implying the same thing to people who want to put him down?
I'm not trying to wind you up. I have read a lot of your posts over on Avcanada and have a lot of respect for your opinions.
It's no different to if I was going under the knife. If we were talking about filling cups at Tim Hortons, or working at an accountancy firm, then I totally agree and there is no reason for locals to not be working those jobs.
I love Canada and its people. And I had an amazing time there. I can't speak any higher of the people there, but I have had some shockers of both co-jo's and captains.
Most of the co-pilots I flew with had no idea about icing, and some captains had no idea about basic NDB work. This local knowledge stuff is crap.
Someone who grew up flying in the GTA has no idea what its like only a 12hr drive north.
Culture? Right so ripping on natives is the correct way to go about cultural sensitivity?
There is a lot of work available in Canada for new pilots. They just have to go out and find it. Most will turn their nose up at a C206 up north, or at working the ramp or dispatch for a while.
I'm just a firm believer in hiring the best suited for the job. Not the cheapest, not the most entitled. But the best.
If they are legally allowed to be employed by my company, then all the power to them.
Solution. Be better than the other guy.
The problem with India was not the amount of Indian pilots available. There is more than enough of them world wide. The problem is in the training and the corruption. We all know the costs involved in failed line training or an accident.
So yes. Expats are standing on the heads of local pilots who are in turn having to look elsewhere. Such as Canada.
The same problem is throughout Africa as well. Look at the situation in Southern Africa now where you have to have minimum of 500 to 1000hrs as an expat before they will allow you to get a work permit.
Usually the person who is first to scream protect the local pilots, are the first ones to complain when they can't get a job overseas. I've seen it with my own eyes in my travels. You actually have no idea how LUCKY you have it in Canada.
Try starting off in a place like New Zealand. GA is non-existent. You can't fly single pilot IFR until you have 750hrs. The only two crew ops are the major airlines who wont hire until at least 1500hrs.
Can't do Parachute Ops until you have 200PIC. Can only instruct, but only after you have got to 250hrs. Most companies will offer a job, for free, instructing for the first 6 months while you are under supervision, then you are out.
Only 20% of Kiwi pilots ever make it commercially.
I still can't get over my first Canadian co-pilot who had 500hrs, no multi or turbine time, and was bitching about being on a Caravan in a crappy little northern town, and that he should be on at least a 1900.
I had to leave my country and fly C206s in the desert of an African country until 1000hrs minimum before I was allowed near a C208.
@Big Pistons, your post is a bit hypocritical don't you think? Saying you don't care what he thinks, but then thinking he is condescending and immature for implying the same thing to people who want to put him down?
I'm not trying to wind you up. I have read a lot of your posts over on Avcanada and have a lot of respect for your opinions.
I've worked with pilots from many parts of the planet during my career. I could wax rhapsodic about their varying skill levels and personal attributes, but I don't make a habit of throwing some colleagues under a bus. Let's just say that I've seen great and bad among them all, including Kiwis. Welcome to the human condition.
None of this has anything to do with the discussion at hand. But since you love to tilt at windmills, let me remind you that you come from one of the most protectionist nations on the planet when it comes to the labour market. Pots and kettles and all that.
There are many, many examples of pilots from foreign lands who are employed at Canada's largest operators. I come across them on a regular basis in my current job. They all came here and earned a place through hard work and perseverance and unlike in many other places, none of them will be sent packing in a few years time when a Canadian-born pilot is ready to take their spot.
You say you love Canada, yet you come on here and suggest that it has some back woods anti-foreigner aviation industry. The facts do not bear that out. We're all human and we all do our best to protect the home turf. That too is part of the human condition.
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Getting back to the topic at hand
Seneca is one school that I can think of, I think they do a Bachelors with a License, its highly regarded
Moncton Flight College is another option. It has both a diploma and a degree program.
However, you have experience and most of these programs are for those starting out. I don't know of any school which offers an instructors rating with a degree or diploma
It may be a better option to enroll in a college or university for a non aviation related degree/diploma, but something that transfers over like business or economics or something like that which is still useful. And it'll be easier to obtain a visa for a conventional stream of higher education than for flying. While doing this you could enroll in a local flight school to do your instructor rating if the visa permits (I'm no expert on visas so I don't know whether this is legal or not)
Check prices because living costs vary quite a lot throughout Canada.
Seneca is one school that I can think of, I think they do a Bachelors with a License, its highly regarded
Moncton Flight College is another option. It has both a diploma and a degree program.
However, you have experience and most of these programs are for those starting out. I don't know of any school which offers an instructors rating with a degree or diploma
It may be a better option to enroll in a college or university for a non aviation related degree/diploma, but something that transfers over like business or economics or something like that which is still useful. And it'll be easier to obtain a visa for a conventional stream of higher education than for flying. While doing this you could enroll in a local flight school to do your instructor rating if the visa permits (I'm no expert on visas so I don't know whether this is legal or not)
Check prices because living costs vary quite a lot throughout Canada.
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justagigolo77: I don't give a rats a$$......Do I believe in protectionism, you bet your ass I do if there is a surplus of pilots to jobs as we have right now..
I'm a complete stranger to you and yet you use such vocabulary?! I respect your opinions, however showing some courtesy woudn't hurt! You don't need to be vulgar to pass your message.
justagigolo77: I don't give a rats a$$......Do I believe in protectionism, you bet your ass I do if there is a surplus of pilots to jobs as we have right now..
I'm a complete stranger to you and yet you use such vocabulary?! I respect your opinions, however showing some courtesy woudn't hurt! You don't need to be vulgar to pass your message.