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I want to fly!
Greetings,
I'm Italian, I did the registration to this forum a few days ago...
I need to know how is the situation in Canada.
Does it possible for a European with 200 hours flight time, to start his career as bush pilot?
Maybe you guys can indicate me a society fo bush flying...??!?
Many Thanks
I-FABO
I'm Italian, I did the registration to this forum a few days ago...
I need to know how is the situation in Canada.
Does it possible for a European with 200 hours flight time, to start his career as bush pilot?
Maybe you guys can indicate me a society fo bush flying...??!?
Many Thanks
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Best way is to do your instructor rating and start your career like that. I know a few guys who have a lot of experience in bush flying and even they are trying to get their old jobs back. 
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need a Visa
Unless you arrive on a crappy boat from Sri Lanka via Thailand with 492 other asylum seekers and are a Tamil Tiger and economic migrant.
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Unless you arrive on a crappy boat from Sri Lanka via Thailand with 492 other asylum seekers and are a Tamil Tiger and economic migrant
It was almost those exact words that ended my career posting on Avcanada, I was labeled a racist by a mod and when I told said mod to shove his opinion where the sun don't shine my long career as top poster on Avcanada came to an abrupt end.
But every morning the sun still rises over my house and the smoke still goes up the chimney exactly as it did before that earth shaking event in my life.
( Those news stories of boats arriving on Canada's shores with illegal immigrants are only propaganda by us racists and are not really true......just ask the " Good Canadians " on Avcanada.)
Hello I-FABO.
As you can see, the grass often looks greener on the other side of the ocean. However, Canada is a labour rich market. There are more pilots than jobs here.
There is always a chance that with a work visa, a good attitude and a great work ethic, you could get a job. It would likely start as a position on a ramp or dock somewhere no one else wants to live (because it is very much in the middle of nowhere). If you impress the owner/operator sufficiently, you may get a flying position if one becomes available. It may take a few weeks, or a few years. So the most important thing you can have is patients and perseverance. The pay will be low. Often so low you cannot survive on the pay of one job and you must have a second to supplement your income. This means you are likely working 70-80 hours a week.
So, while I would not say that the chances are zero, because they never are and often depend upon things that are beyond your own control, I would say that the chances are very low. Lower than Italy? I can't say as I don't know what the situation is like for you at home. I will say if you decide to attempt this, it will be difficult and time consuming.
Best wishes in which ever road you choose to travel.
As you can see, the grass often looks greener on the other side of the ocean. However, Canada is a labour rich market. There are more pilots than jobs here.
There is always a chance that with a work visa, a good attitude and a great work ethic, you could get a job. It would likely start as a position on a ramp or dock somewhere no one else wants to live (because it is very much in the middle of nowhere). If you impress the owner/operator sufficiently, you may get a flying position if one becomes available. It may take a few weeks, or a few years. So the most important thing you can have is patients and perseverance. The pay will be low. Often so low you cannot survive on the pay of one job and you must have a second to supplement your income. This means you are likely working 70-80 hours a week.
So, while I would not say that the chances are zero, because they never are and often depend upon things that are beyond your own control, I would say that the chances are very low. Lower than Italy? I can't say as I don't know what the situation is like for you at home. I will say if you decide to attempt this, it will be difficult and time consuming.
Best wishes in which ever road you choose to travel.
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Rolling Thunder, Chuck beat me to it, what he says is so true! Just out of interest research shows that 71% of Tamills who "Fled in fear of their lives" returned within three years for a vacation in Sri Lanka! I know none of my kin who fled the "Master Race" went back to for vacations till the shooting and gassing was over! A bit of thread but an indication of the totally over the top PC crap on Av Canada. As Chucks kin were in Canada thousands of years before the rest of us I think he has more right than most to tell it like it is!
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The problem with today's P.C. crowd is they are a product of social engineering where when one is in disagreement with someone eases opinions or belief's all that is needed is brand them as " Racist " "Homophobic " " Bigoted " or any other P.C. label and that cuts off all further possibility of discussion and the myopic sheep like mentality that is the P.C. crowd can then smugly sit back having won.
Canada has evolved into a world leader in the sheep mentality.
Canada has evolved into a world leader in the sheep mentality.
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Hi guys,
Many thanks for your response.
I know that I need a Visa to work in Canada...
Yes I know the situation is really bad....here in Italy is the same.
About G.A.=Here there are some companies based to the north working with a lot of executive aircrafts (like Falcons, Gulf and other fantastic aircraft...), but the thing is that they need to hire people type rated and with a lot of flight ours on this...(not on a cessna 172!!!!).
Airlines= I think this way is easier than the other one, but I always thought to have a good flight time as bush pilot before to knock the door to Lufthansa or Alitalia....
To be a good FI you ned to have a special thing....you need to be able to pass the informations! it is not so easy!
I was thinking about start as a position on a ramp....it would be really great, but how many times it takes this?
Guys I want to fly
I-FABO
Many thanks for your response.
I know that I need a Visa to work in Canada...
Yes I know the situation is really bad....here in Italy is the same.
About G.A.=Here there are some companies based to the north working with a lot of executive aircrafts (like Falcons, Gulf and other fantastic aircraft...), but the thing is that they need to hire people type rated and with a lot of flight ours on this...(not on a cessna 172!!!!).
Airlines= I think this way is easier than the other one, but I always thought to have a good flight time as bush pilot before to knock the door to Lufthansa or Alitalia....
To be a good FI you ned to have a special thing....you need to be able to pass the informations! it is not so easy!
I was thinking about start as a position on a ramp....it would be really great, but how many times it takes this?
Guys I want to fly
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Not to discourage you too much but at least a year working the ramp. Then the problem is which operator will give the chance to somebody from Italy when there are so many pilots from the local area looking for jobs. It may be that Canada is easier for low time pilots to start out as compared to Europe, but if your not from here it will be that much more of an uphill battle (that is even if you can get a work Visa). On the other hand where I work there are two pilots from France and one from Belgium. Though they did all there training here and have all lived here for a decade. So if you want to do it badly enough it is possible, just don't expect to jump on a plane and get off in the Canadian north and expect to be flying in the Canadian bush overnight.
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JamiePilot77 is on the right track.
There is work here, but you're not going to be living in Toronto, Vancouver or Montreal with 200 hours. You're going to be living in Pickle Lake, Rankin Inlet, Yellowknife or somewhere like that for up to two years loading airplanes where you may be lucky to get onto a Twin Otter or Caravan or something similar - and thats if you have an excellent work ethic and a better command of English than the locals.
Unlike Europe you would have to be very, very, stupidly lucky to start on a Falcon or something similar. Canada does not yet share the European love (or need) for throwing new CPL holders into jets.
Additionally, we have more than our share of guys out of work, back working de-ice pads or the local hardware store because they cannot find a job - many of whom are getting direct entry gigs into northern operators because they fill the requirements laid down by clients - and this is a step back for a guy who up until 6 months ago may have been flying A320's or similiar.
There is work here, but you're not going to be living in Toronto, Vancouver or Montreal with 200 hours. You're going to be living in Pickle Lake, Rankin Inlet, Yellowknife or somewhere like that for up to two years loading airplanes where you may be lucky to get onto a Twin Otter or Caravan or something similar - and thats if you have an excellent work ethic and a better command of English than the locals.
Unlike Europe you would have to be very, very, stupidly lucky to start on a Falcon or something similar. Canada does not yet share the European love (or need) for throwing new CPL holders into jets.
Additionally, we have more than our share of guys out of work, back working de-ice pads or the local hardware store because they cannot find a job - many of whom are getting direct entry gigs into northern operators because they fill the requirements laid down by clients - and this is a step back for a guy who up until 6 months ago may have been flying A320's or similiar.
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I moved to Canada around 10 years ago, and pretty much everything has already been said by other posters. It took me nearly 2 years to get my residency permit, and that was the easy bit.
I have had alot of fun, but unfortunately there have also been huge great swathes of down time and unemployment, the latest of which started 6 months ago and hasn't shown any sighn of abaiting. I have worked in factories, as a security guard and and even cleaned toilets to finance my 'flying habit'.
If you have a JAA licence, I would recommend staying in europe. I was looking at converting mine over to JAA, but frankly the cost is just too prohibitive,
Good Luck!
I have had alot of fun, but unfortunately there have also been huge great swathes of down time and unemployment, the latest of which started 6 months ago and hasn't shown any sighn of abaiting. I have worked in factories, as a security guard and and even cleaned toilets to finance my 'flying habit'.
If you have a JAA licence, I would recommend staying in europe. I was looking at converting mine over to JAA, but frankly the cost is just too prohibitive,
Good Luck!
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To get into Canada, you don't need a Visa - you need a work permit.
1. The work permit is only given when you have a job offer in hand.
2. A labour market opinion is then sought which comes from Human Resources Development and Canadian Immigration and Citizenship and needs to show a) the job offer to be filled will have a neutral or positive effect on the job market and Canada b) it could not be realistically done by either a permanent resident already in Canada or a Canadian citizen.
3. Job offer cannot be formalized without the Labour Market Opinion and Work Permit. No work permit and a positive Labour Market Opinion means job offer is worthless as you won't be admitted to Canada..
4. With the state of hiring in the Canadian aviation industry from the ground up, the surplus of pilots and the minimum requirements needed to fly decent hardware already in situ here in the Great White North, I'm sorry to tell you, the chances are bad to non-existent.
AND even worse - if you were to get a work permit it is tied to the occupational group you are authorized for - and to the employer taking you. No job swapping, no change of employer - or it's arrivederci and back to Italia presto pronto...
I am now 42, and I'll be coming off the long hauls and onto crappy positions on the Airbus command - whereas with the same length of service at BA - I would have made wide body command by now - so that gives you an idea I am sure of what it's like.
Good luck no matter what path you're going to take - and if you do happen to be flying floats out west - just outside the Canadian territorial waters, and see a boat packed full heading to BC, land your float, get on board, and be welcomed. O Canada. (Try saying that on Av Canada).
All the best I-FABO.
1. The work permit is only given when you have a job offer in hand.
2. A labour market opinion is then sought which comes from Human Resources Development and Canadian Immigration and Citizenship and needs to show a) the job offer to be filled will have a neutral or positive effect on the job market and Canada b) it could not be realistically done by either a permanent resident already in Canada or a Canadian citizen.
3. Job offer cannot be formalized without the Labour Market Opinion and Work Permit. No work permit and a positive Labour Market Opinion means job offer is worthless as you won't be admitted to Canada..
4. With the state of hiring in the Canadian aviation industry from the ground up, the surplus of pilots and the minimum requirements needed to fly decent hardware already in situ here in the Great White North, I'm sorry to tell you, the chances are bad to non-existent.
AND even worse - if you were to get a work permit it is tied to the occupational group you are authorized for - and to the employer taking you. No job swapping, no change of employer - or it's arrivederci and back to Italia presto pronto...
I am now 42, and I'll be coming off the long hauls and onto crappy positions on the Airbus command - whereas with the same length of service at BA - I would have made wide body command by now - so that gives you an idea I am sure of what it's like.
Good luck no matter what path you're going to take - and if you do happen to be flying floats out west - just outside the Canadian territorial waters, and see a boat packed full heading to BC, land your float, get on board, and be welcomed. O Canada. (Try saying that on Av Canada).
All the best I-FABO.
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you won't find a job more easily in canada, right now.
I have 1700TT, an ATPL and 500MPIC, only piston engine and find it hard to have an interview for a B200 F/O Position.
Try to come at the good moment when the hiring curve is rising, which is not the case now. May be next spring who knows...
cheers.
I have 1700TT, an ATPL and 500MPIC, only piston engine and find it hard to have an interview for a B200 F/O Position.
Try to come at the good moment when the hiring curve is rising, which is not the case now. May be next spring who knows...
cheers.
