Emirates vs. Air Canada
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I admire democracies & patriotism...so let the Canadian consumer decide where they want to spend their dime. Its completely in the spirit of freedom of choice for them to pick their beloved Air Canada over the competition -oh wait, maybe the Canadian consumer wont pick Air Canada because of its tired product & service.
And why is the product outdated and lethargic? Simple' because they will never innovate if they know they are protected - because they dont have to attract customers with their product, the government will deliver the customers through policy...and for that the demise of a once competitive and admired airline will continue.
And that my friends is sad
And why is the product outdated and lethargic? Simple' because they will never innovate if they know they are protected - because they dont have to attract customers with their product, the government will deliver the customers through policy...and for that the demise of a once competitive and admired airline will continue.
And that my friends is sad
And do you mind explaining how their product is outdated and lethargic? I'd rather be in economy class on an AC B777 with 9 abreast seating then crammed into an EK B777 with 10 abreast seating.
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There are several reasons it is cheaper to fly internationally. One is simply a matter of scale. You can put far more people in a 777 than in an EMB yet you still need ground support for both. (ramp support, gate support, catering etc etc.) Even taking into account the higher costs of operating the 777, the overall cost per pax, per mile will be less on a long overseas flight.
Second and in my mind the largest problem is the matter you already touched on, TAXES. Have you looked at the the landing fees in Canada? YYZ is the most expensive airport in the world to operate from. Have you looked at the NAVCANADA fees to operate in Canadian Airspace? Almost every airport in Canada has added its own AIF. In some cases it is as high as an extra $30 for every pax. Add in the already high government taxes and you have situations where the taxes and fees are more than the actual price of the ticket
Second and in my mind the largest problem is the matter you already touched on, TAXES. Have you looked at the the landing fees in Canada? YYZ is the most expensive airport in the world to operate from. Have you looked at the NAVCANADA fees to operate in Canadian Airspace? Almost every airport in Canada has added its own AIF. In some cases it is as high as an extra $30 for every pax. Add in the already high government taxes and you have situations where the taxes and fees are more than the actual price of the ticket
This same government that everyone is lauding for their stance against EK is also making it difficult for YYZ and its domestic hosts to compete against the Americans et al by charging excessive rent and high taxes.
Toronto is in the top 20 when it comes to aircraft movements (yearly) yet can't even crack the top 30 in number of passengers. With the entire GTA to draw on...and beyond, plus the airport being a hub, those numbers should be way higher.
It is in the GTAAs interest for the govt to lower the rent.....AND increase competition/frequency of various airlines (including emirates IMO).
BTW Sydney (the comparison which is being made in this debate is Australia) ranks 40th in yearly traffic movements...yet is inside the top 30 for passengers and processes nearly 3 million more a year than Pearson. SACL must be loving it!
Regarding the NAV Canada fees...that is one I will look up out of interest (the A380 charge will be no small change I am sure) It is also for this reason that all the hotheads out there advocating "banning" EK from flying through Canadian airspace are operating outwith the boundries of reality. Losing revenue from a paying customer that does not cause us any problems would not be in the business plan.
NAV Canada infact would stand to gain if EK flew daily with increased revenue from increased frequency (if the plan was the A380)
BTW Sydney (the comparison which is being made in this debate is Australia) ranks 40th in yearly traffic movements...yet is inside the top 30 for passengers and processes nearly 3 million more a year than Pearson. SACL must be loving it!
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Yet another reason why you dont understand the debate on inflight product.
All the money is made in the premium cabins and on that note the debate between AC & EK is over - there is no debate.
While the old legacy carriers are keeping 9 abreast the innovative are making sure that the extra squeeze is made up for.
Get with the times...oh wait, no need to. The govt will provide the pax, not the product.
The price sensitive will grab the rear. Most of EK's pax are not glutinous overweight North Americans. They will gladly take the superior entertainment (100's of Indian channels) and dining for the tighter width -not to mention the dreaded European stop-over.
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All the money is made in the premium cabins and on that note the debate between AC & EK is over - there is no debate.
While the old legacy carriers are keeping 9 abreast the innovative are making sure that the extra squeeze is made up for.
Get with the times...oh wait, no need to. The govt will provide the pax, not the product.
The price sensitive will grab the rear. Most of EK's pax are not glutinous overweight North Americans. They will gladly take the superior entertainment (100's of Indian channels) and dining for the tighter width -not to mention the dreaded European stop-over.
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First, a bit of background, I have spent far too much time sitting at a large table trying to negotiate with folks from various sand boxes in the ME. Having said that I have to tell you that there are events taking place in the ME which are going to make this whole thread go away. What has started in Iran and Tunisia is going to crash through the Arab world like a flood through Holland, thus removing those who run these countries from their positions and abilities to go on such spending rampages be it Airbus 380s or military hardware. How long will it take? Good question, depends on the response from the military in each of these fiefdoms, who will take over? Lets hope democracy, but it could go as Iran did, one despot being replaced with a radical group of religious Zelots or Taliban like organisation. For those ex pats thinking this wont take place, good luck, but if you think the folks on the street are going to continue to build the tallest building or buy the bigest aircraft just to satisfy a few elite at the top you have a jolt coming your way! Its time to start moving your assets out to a safer place, mind you some of you are ahead of the game when it comes to this.For those who may decry my thread, lets have this same discusion five years from now, OK?
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A good post from "Clunkdriver" who as you can assume has a wealth of experience (military, airline and commercial) in calling a spade a &^%$ shovel.
To add to my previous post basing on my recent holiday in New Zealand and talking to the locals on their aviation life. To restate New Zealand has a population of just over 4 million people.
Emirates has four daily flights to New Zealand three daily to Auckland (AKL) and one to Christchurch (CHC). AKL has three daily of which one is an A-380 (489 seats) and two B-777 (380 seats) and the other to CHC being a B-777 (380 seats). Seat Guru was used as a source for the number of seats.
In one year, again New Zealand being a country of 4 million people that is 594,585 seats that Emirates has to New Zealand.
So with that uplift capability what does this do for Air New Zealand and their small fleet? After flying on them they have a superior product with very helpful staff.
The five years that Clunkdriver alludes to might be too late for this fine airline.
Do we want a foreign "family compact" run airline in our country? I would say yes but with sizeable conditions in place and the first one is an apology to Canada for the 30 day move out for Camp Mirage. How ever that will never happen as based on my limited experience of being in the middle east "face" is more important to them and this would be viewed as a sign of weakness.
A good post from "Clunkdriver" who as you can assume has a wealth of experience (military, airline and commercial) in calling a spade a &^%$ shovel.
To add to my previous post basing on my recent holiday in New Zealand and talking to the locals on their aviation life. To restate New Zealand has a population of just over 4 million people.
Emirates has four daily flights to New Zealand three daily to Auckland (AKL) and one to Christchurch (CHC). AKL has three daily of which one is an A-380 (489 seats) and two B-777 (380 seats) and the other to CHC being a B-777 (380 seats). Seat Guru was used as a source for the number of seats.
In one year, again New Zealand being a country of 4 million people that is 594,585 seats that Emirates has to New Zealand.
So with that uplift capability what does this do for Air New Zealand and their small fleet? After flying on them they have a superior product with very helpful staff.
The five years that Clunkdriver alludes to might be too late for this fine airline.
Do we want a foreign "family compact" run airline in our country? I would say yes but with sizeable conditions in place and the first one is an apology to Canada for the 30 day move out for Camp Mirage. How ever that will never happen as based on my limited experience of being in the middle east "face" is more important to them and this would be viewed as a sign of weakness.
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I trust all living in the various Sand boxes are watching the goings on in the ME with more than a little interest? {My mother always told me it was rude to say "I told you so!"} so I wont, however judging by the number of heavy metal aircraft heading for various Tax Havens of late I think its time you guys maybe started thinking about doing the same,the Internet is proving to be a very potent force when it comes to political change!
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This is meant to be about aviation and aviation politics not whether folk like regimes or not. The Gulf is a very different thing to the North African states, who in turn differ from the Levant countries (Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Iraq) and of course Iran isn't Arab,- it's Persian.
The basic fact of this argument are that Canada is protective of its legacy carrier , Air Canada, whose service levels are way below the Gulf, Asian and many other carriers and the country , other than for overflying , is an insignificant player in the current international airline world. Apart from anything else, the Gulf just happens to be in the right place to connect from almost anywhere in the world one stop to anywhere else,- and it energetically provides this service 24/7. Just look at the Dubai departures board at any time of day or night,- and then look at the same at any Canadian airport. The story is there.
The basic fact of this argument are that Canada is protective of its legacy carrier , Air Canada, whose service levels are way below the Gulf, Asian and many other carriers and the country , other than for overflying , is an insignificant player in the current international airline world. Apart from anything else, the Gulf just happens to be in the right place to connect from almost anywhere in the world one stop to anywhere else,- and it energetically provides this service 24/7. Just look at the Dubai departures board at any time of day or night,- and then look at the same at any Canadian airport. The story is there.
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Great advice there "Clunk"...I suppose you have a job waiting for me? One that matches (or beats) my current situation? Given the current state of aviation back in the Great White North, why wouldn't all of us working guys and girls here in the ME simply move home...where we all can rejoin at the bottom of a seniority list at such excellent wages and conditions...oh wait...I have a family to support, never mind, what was I thinking...
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No, nobody is sugesting you move, but there is an old saying about having all ones eggs in one basket. The ME is about to change, for the better? We all hope so, but if you need an example of how quickly things can go of the rails I sugest you do some reading on what took place at MEA when Lebanon imploded. {The stories of the pilots and others keeping things going in spite of abductions and mayhem in the streets is a tribute to all of them} In the mean time try not to resort to personel insults when others may not share your views . As I said in a previous post, lets talk again in five years, OK?
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From the Ottawa Citizen:
Drop the gloves with UAE
Canada doesn't need to stand for the abuse coming from this tiny Mideast bully
By Colin Kenny, Citizen Special January 8, 2011
The United Arab Emirates is acting like a pompous thug that thinks Canada need it. We don't, Colin Kenny writes.Photograph by: CNW Group, Emirates AirThe United Arab Emirates has gone into a princely snit over our refusal to grant it more landing rights in Canada for its airline, and has decided it can bully us into changing our minds. I suggest that we push back, firmly, because the UAE has not realized that Canada has options, too.
Why does the UAE so desperately want more landing rights? Because it has bought a lot of big fat aircraft as part of its decade-long, oil-fuelled spending spree, and needs to fill seats by moving North Americans through Dubai to the Middle East and Asia.
When the Canadian government refused, the UAE proceeded to: a) kick Canada out of our staging base for Afghanistan that was located on UAE soil; b) refuse our minister of national defence and our chief of the defence staff permission to fly through its airspace after they were in the air; and c) introduced the need for expensive visas for any Canadian wishing to visit their country.
Here's what I think we should consider in response: a) void the landing rights UAE airlines already have; b) forbid them to fly in Canadian air space; c) slow down the processing of visas for anyone from the UAE who wants to visit Canada; and d) tell them to convince us that nobody connected to any of the Emirates' royal families is supporting antiwestern terrorist activities.
Why would I want to drop the gloves in dealing with the UAE? Because I think they're essentially a bunch of pompous thugs behaving like Canadians need them. We don't, and somebody should show them they can't treat us like the second-class citizens they hire to do virtually all the work in their seven fiefdoms.
I am well aware that some critics argue that the Canadian government has been heavy handed in dealing with the UAE, as though we weren't properly versed in the delicate ways one must handle trumped up royals.
I say we should deal with them the same way we did when they got haughty about the Canadian Forces flight-training program for the UAE Air Force. That program was going fine until some member of a royal family flunked his flight test, and still wanted to be given qualifications to fly an aircraft. Our military wisely cancelled the training program when the UAE told us that members and friends of a royal family should not be allowed to fail.
Wait, you say. Weren't the seven families who so ruthlessly rule the UAE being jolly good chaps when they offered us a military base on their soil? Well it wasn't quite soil -- it was unoccupied sand. And let's keep in mind that our troops were using that stretch of sand to try to defuse terrorism in the region, with only the tiniest military contribution of about 200 "special forces" from the UAE.
Rich oil countries like the UAE should be doing a lot more to combat terrorism than they are. It isn't just democracies like Canada and the United States that need to fear al-Qaeda and the like. These outfits are also sworn enemies of the ruling classes in places like Saudi Arabia, and yes, the United Arab Emirates. The fact that the UAE was so quick to expel Canada from Camp Mirage for as small a matter as a disagreement over landing rights in Canada suggests a haughty and short-sighted indifference to whether the world succeeds in abating terrorism.
Maybe they're not indifferent. Maybe they like to play both sides of the street when it comes to terrorism. I have spoken to several intelligence sources who are adamant that leadership within the United Arab Emirates -- while posing as friends to NATO -- have been pouring money into terrorist movements throughout the Middle East. So we should reward that kind of duplicity with additional landing rights?
Canada is a civilized country trying to do two things on the international front: promote its own interests, and create a fairer, more civilized world. There is nothing fair or civilized about the UAE, nor are things improving. Foreign workers, mostly from Asia, outnumber privileged citizens by a ratio of about four to one, and are notoriously badly treated. This really is a country run by royal thugs, without democracy, free press, free assembly, or any semblance of human rights.
Even if we were just thinking selfishly about promoting the financial interests of Canadians, what does the UAE have to offer? We don't need their oil, and the economy of their show state of Dubai is a bubble just waiting to burst for the second time.
The UAE argues that denying its airlines more landing rights in Canada amounts to unfair protectionism of our own airlines, most notably, Air Canada. But why not protect against unfair competition? The UAE has two state-subsidized airlines that have bought themselves a bevy of huge aircraft that are eating a hole in the national treasury. They staff the airlines with underpriced help that can be fired at whim, and offer discounts on their visas if you fly on those airlines. Why kill off some Canadian jobs to the benefit of the high-spending UAE treasury.
Finally, it should be noted that five years ago the U.S. Congress decided that it wouldn't allow the UAE to manage American ports through a state-owned company called Dubai Ports World. Well, you know what? Dubai Ports World owns the company that runs container and break bulk terminals at the Port of Vancouver.
Note to the princes: "You want to keep that Vancouver contract and your current landing rights? Well then write us a letter within 30 days pledging that nobody connected to the royal families running your totalitarian governments is funding antiwestern terrorists, and we'll check that out with our intelligence people. And meanwhile, start showing us some respect."
Colin Kenny is former chair of the Senate Committee on National Security and Defence.
Note to I Sheik my Drawers...hit the road.
How many of these inbreds, paid off someone for a Licence and now fly for UAE Airlines?
I say we should deal with them the same way we did when they got haughty about the Canadian Forces flight-training program for the UAE Air Force. That program was going fine until some member of a royal family flunked his flight test, and still wanted to be given qualifications to fly an aircraft. Our military wisely cancelled the training program when the UAE told us that members and friends of a royal family should not be allowed to fail.
Drop the gloves with UAE
Canada doesn't need to stand for the abuse coming from this tiny Mideast bully
By Colin Kenny, Citizen Special January 8, 2011
The United Arab Emirates is acting like a pompous thug that thinks Canada need it. We don't, Colin Kenny writes.Photograph by: CNW Group, Emirates AirThe United Arab Emirates has gone into a princely snit over our refusal to grant it more landing rights in Canada for its airline, and has decided it can bully us into changing our minds. I suggest that we push back, firmly, because the UAE has not realized that Canada has options, too.
Why does the UAE so desperately want more landing rights? Because it has bought a lot of big fat aircraft as part of its decade-long, oil-fuelled spending spree, and needs to fill seats by moving North Americans through Dubai to the Middle East and Asia.
When the Canadian government refused, the UAE proceeded to: a) kick Canada out of our staging base for Afghanistan that was located on UAE soil; b) refuse our minister of national defence and our chief of the defence staff permission to fly through its airspace after they were in the air; and c) introduced the need for expensive visas for any Canadian wishing to visit their country.
Here's what I think we should consider in response: a) void the landing rights UAE airlines already have; b) forbid them to fly in Canadian air space; c) slow down the processing of visas for anyone from the UAE who wants to visit Canada; and d) tell them to convince us that nobody connected to any of the Emirates' royal families is supporting antiwestern terrorist activities.
Why would I want to drop the gloves in dealing with the UAE? Because I think they're essentially a bunch of pompous thugs behaving like Canadians need them. We don't, and somebody should show them they can't treat us like the second-class citizens they hire to do virtually all the work in their seven fiefdoms.
I am well aware that some critics argue that the Canadian government has been heavy handed in dealing with the UAE, as though we weren't properly versed in the delicate ways one must handle trumped up royals.
I say we should deal with them the same way we did when they got haughty about the Canadian Forces flight-training program for the UAE Air Force. That program was going fine until some member of a royal family flunked his flight test, and still wanted to be given qualifications to fly an aircraft. Our military wisely cancelled the training program when the UAE told us that members and friends of a royal family should not be allowed to fail.
Wait, you say. Weren't the seven families who so ruthlessly rule the UAE being jolly good chaps when they offered us a military base on their soil? Well it wasn't quite soil -- it was unoccupied sand. And let's keep in mind that our troops were using that stretch of sand to try to defuse terrorism in the region, with only the tiniest military contribution of about 200 "special forces" from the UAE.
Rich oil countries like the UAE should be doing a lot more to combat terrorism than they are. It isn't just democracies like Canada and the United States that need to fear al-Qaeda and the like. These outfits are also sworn enemies of the ruling classes in places like Saudi Arabia, and yes, the United Arab Emirates. The fact that the UAE was so quick to expel Canada from Camp Mirage for as small a matter as a disagreement over landing rights in Canada suggests a haughty and short-sighted indifference to whether the world succeeds in abating terrorism.
Maybe they're not indifferent. Maybe they like to play both sides of the street when it comes to terrorism. I have spoken to several intelligence sources who are adamant that leadership within the United Arab Emirates -- while posing as friends to NATO -- have been pouring money into terrorist movements throughout the Middle East. So we should reward that kind of duplicity with additional landing rights?
Canada is a civilized country trying to do two things on the international front: promote its own interests, and create a fairer, more civilized world. There is nothing fair or civilized about the UAE, nor are things improving. Foreign workers, mostly from Asia, outnumber privileged citizens by a ratio of about four to one, and are notoriously badly treated. This really is a country run by royal thugs, without democracy, free press, free assembly, or any semblance of human rights.
Even if we were just thinking selfishly about promoting the financial interests of Canadians, what does the UAE have to offer? We don't need their oil, and the economy of their show state of Dubai is a bubble just waiting to burst for the second time.
The UAE argues that denying its airlines more landing rights in Canada amounts to unfair protectionism of our own airlines, most notably, Air Canada. But why not protect against unfair competition? The UAE has two state-subsidized airlines that have bought themselves a bevy of huge aircraft that are eating a hole in the national treasury. They staff the airlines with underpriced help that can be fired at whim, and offer discounts on their visas if you fly on those airlines. Why kill off some Canadian jobs to the benefit of the high-spending UAE treasury.
Finally, it should be noted that five years ago the U.S. Congress decided that it wouldn't allow the UAE to manage American ports through a state-owned company called Dubai Ports World. Well, you know what? Dubai Ports World owns the company that runs container and break bulk terminals at the Port of Vancouver.
Note to the princes: "You want to keep that Vancouver contract and your current landing rights? Well then write us a letter within 30 days pledging that nobody connected to the royal families running your totalitarian governments is funding antiwestern terrorists, and we'll check that out with our intelligence people. And meanwhile, start showing us some respect."
Colin Kenny is former chair of the Senate Committee on National Security and Defence.
Note to I Sheik my Drawers...hit the road.
How many of these inbreds, paid off someone for a Licence and now fly for UAE Airlines?
I say we should deal with them the same way we did when they got haughty about the Canadian Forces flight-training program for the UAE Air Force. That program was going fine until some member of a royal family flunked his flight test, and still wanted to be given qualifications to fly an aircraft. Our military wisely cancelled the training program when the UAE told us that members and friends of a royal family should not be allowed to fail.
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Well, the SH!T has most definitely hit the fan in the "NA" part of MENA; for the sake of the oppressed people, I hope it spreads and that a just leader fills the vacuum.
Maybe I'm being naive, but does anyone else think that this revolution will actually result in an economic boom in a year or two? Considering most of these countries have been ruled with an iron fist for decades, and their economies and people have suffered as a result, maybe a new open-market will bring some genuine prosperity, and possibly a surge in industry (including aviation) in the region, instead of worst-case scenario of doom and gloom.
As for that Ottawa Citizen column...not again
...as tough as Mr. Kenny tries to sound, his article is not very convincing.
Maybe I'm being naive, but does anyone else think that this revolution will actually result in an economic boom in a year or two? Considering most of these countries have been ruled with an iron fist for decades, and their economies and people have suffered as a result, maybe a new open-market will bring some genuine prosperity, and possibly a surge in industry (including aviation) in the region, instead of worst-case scenario of doom and gloom.
As for that Ottawa Citizen column...not again
...as tough as Mr. Kenny tries to sound, his article is not very convincing.
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BTW Emirates got their daily into Toronto yesterday as their New York flight had to divert due to weather.
All they need is New York to close on a daily basis and voila...sorted.
All they need is New York to close on a daily basis and voila...sorted.
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clunckdriver is spot on.
Advance warning/advice heeded now could pay dividends for you expats later on.
Funny things happen in the ME. Like what happened to those who'd amassed tidy little $um$ in the BCCI in the 90s. In a heartbeat, hundreds of thousands of expat $aving$ and inve$tment$ evaporated. Who's will it be next???
One thing's for sure and certain, it will be interesting when the day comes for the returning Canadians to see where they think they are going to find an "acceptable" pilot position in this country.
Strategies anyone?
Willie
Advance warning/advice heeded now could pay dividends for you expats later on.
Funny things happen in the ME. Like what happened to those who'd amassed tidy little $um$ in the BCCI in the 90s. In a heartbeat, hundreds of thousands of expat $aving$ and inve$tment$ evaporated. Who's will it be next???
One thing's for sure and certain, it will be interesting when the day comes for the returning Canadians to see where they think they are going to find an "acceptable" pilot position in this country.
Strategies anyone?
Willie
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Many canucks I work with won't be returning to canada to live. Too much tax, too little in return. There are many other countries in the world to live which are just as good if not better. Different strokes....
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You'll be back here in a 'nano second' flashing your Citizenship when you are in dire need of a Nursing Home.
Like everyone else.
After a career of paying no taxes, you will be happy to - get in line - to milk the system.
For which we (the taxpayers of Canada) should ...Politely...tell you to go eff yourself!
Like everyone else.
After a career of paying no taxes, you will be happy to - get in line - to milk the system.
For which we (the taxpayers of Canada) should ...Politely...tell you to go eff yourself!
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You'll be back here in a 'nano second' flashing your Citizenship when you are in dire need of a Nursing Home.
When they give up their citizenship then I'll believe they have no use for Canada anymore.
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Hey Johnny...do you actually know what the hell you're talking about? It costs to come back...ask the question...if a non resident Canadian isn't contributing to his taxman...is he contributing to his CPP? So having said that, what kind of money is your returning (and elderly by your reckoning) Canuck using to live it up in that nursing home you mention? Another note for you to think about...how many of these non resident Canadians actually want to return to retire? The only ones I know who want to come back will be starting a flying job in corporate or in a senior direct entry job, (and the number of those guys is small)...way above the paygrade offered at the bottom of some seniority list...and the old saying about walking a mile in a man's shoes might apply in this case...do you have any off shore experience? (Serious question) and for how long if you do?
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Expats and ME
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I agree with the hard line against emirates you have to be tough with these people.
In my case I left Canada because I was laid off from a established Canadian airline:
I left Canada as I had no work and two small children, because I had to.
Where I live in the south of Europe the medical care is better and it is warmer
I take offense to the nursing home remark as I know others were forced to leave if wanted to remain as pilots. Yes
Not everyone has cushy AC jobs in Canada and I feel some AC guys are spoilt. and do not know pain, others do.
Would we come back to work for Westjet ?
When I come back to Canada I contribute to the economy. I pay tax and a lot too where I live. If I were to come back in retirement I would also be contributing.
Unfortunately doubt I will fly out of Canada again, cant afford to. Sad about it, yes.
I agree with the hard line against emirates you have to be tough with these people.
In my case I left Canada because I was laid off from a established Canadian airline:
I left Canada as I had no work and two small children, because I had to.
Where I live in the south of Europe the medical care is better and it is warmer
I take offense to the nursing home remark as I know others were forced to leave if wanted to remain as pilots. Yes
Not everyone has cushy AC jobs in Canada and I feel some AC guys are spoilt. and do not know pain, others do.
Would we come back to work for Westjet ?
When I come back to Canada I contribute to the economy. I pay tax and a lot too where I live. If I were to come back in retirement I would also be contributing.
Unfortunately doubt I will fly out of Canada again, cant afford to. Sad about it, yes.