PLEASE!!! Don't scab for Amerijet!!
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It is pretty easy to sit on your pedestals and throw insults at people isn't it. Does it not seem funny to you that the only person on here that admits to actually be from the Amerijet is saying the striking pilots do not actually blame the Cargojet people and they understand the situation they are in. I too understand everyone is trying to help their brothers and sisters to get fair compensation and have a safe and healthy working environment, I am for this as well, but I understand what has happened to the Cargojet people. Intimidating individuals however is not the way to advance your cause.
I am sure not one person on here would sacrifice feeding their kids or risk putting them on the street by refusing to do legitimate work, and under the laws that bind Cargojet this is legitimate. You can call in if you are unfit for duty but the company can also require a doctor's note and if they find you were not truly sick they can terminate you as well.
It seems that so many of you slagging these pilots are from overseas, how much choice would you have if your company started picking up struck freight. I am sure the wife and kids would be happy when daddy comes home and says well I am out of a job because I refused work. In this economy that would be smart, wouldn't it. There has also been instances where airlines from south of the border have come and done work in Canada to cover for striking workers.
One more thing I am sure being on an American blacklist has these Canadian pilots shaking. Why would you worry about something that could possibly affect employment opportunities in the future when not doing your job will affect your advancement in the company your with now.
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I am sure not one person on here would sacrifice feeding their kids or risk putting them on the street by refusing to do legitimate work, and under the laws that bind Cargojet this is legitimate. You can call in if you are unfit for duty but the company can also require a doctor's note and if they find you were not truly sick they can terminate you as well.
It seems that so many of you slagging these pilots are from overseas, how much choice would you have if your company started picking up struck freight. I am sure the wife and kids would be happy when daddy comes home and says well I am out of a job because I refused work. In this economy that would be smart, wouldn't it. There has also been instances where airlines from south of the border have come and done work in Canada to cover for striking workers.
One more thing I am sure being on an American blacklist has these Canadian pilots shaking. Why would you worry about something that could possibly affect employment opportunities in the future when not doing your job will affect your advancement in the company your with now.
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Few questions come to mind first off how many flights has Cargojet done for Amerijet while their pilots have been on strike?
Oh and how long has this union being representing Amerijet, doesn't sound like your dues have really gone to do any work for you guys, if you have been pissing in bags for years and taking wage roll backs and cant get a rep to even get a case of water on board WTF over sounds like your being milked by more than just management.
I bet these guys got there briefing and said hmm Miami eh to Trinidad whatever lets go, secondly I love the posts saying their names have been taken down and blacklisted because I'm sure Canadian Pilots are going run across the boarder for such prestigious jobs that require you to urinate in a bag 35K a year.
Oh and how long has this union being representing Amerijet, doesn't sound like your dues have really gone to do any work for you guys, if you have been pissing in bags for years and taking wage roll backs and cant get a rep to even get a case of water on board WTF over sounds like your being milked by more than just management.
I bet these guys got there briefing and said hmm Miami eh to Trinidad whatever lets go, secondly I love the posts saying their names have been taken down and blacklisted because I'm sure Canadian Pilots are going run across the boarder for such prestigious jobs that require you to urinate in a bag 35K a year.
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YIKES. Difficult situation for all involved. While I fully understand the plight of the striking Amerijet pilots, the Cargojet pilots are not unionized and basically are told to go fly the airplane from point A to point B. I suspect they don't fully realize the impact of their actions of merely doing their jobs.
This is an excellent example as to why there needs to be a college of professional pilots that controls entrance to the ATPL level and communicates directly to various unions and associations when labour disputes arise.
I hope there is a quick resolution for all.
This is an excellent example as to why there needs to be a college of professional pilots that controls entrance to the ATPL level and communicates directly to various unions and associations when labour disputes arise.
I hope there is a quick resolution for all.
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One Flight!!!!!!!, are you guys serious?
First off no one up here ever heard of this strike let alone Amerijet, I guarantee that they didn't even know this was going on.
I suppose you can take solace in the fact that posting threats against individuals brought this to everyone's attention and think that those who posted them won't have to worry about pissing in a bag and now concentrate on not dropping the soap.
First off no one up here ever heard of this strike let alone Amerijet, I guarantee that they didn't even know this was going on.
I suppose you can take solace in the fact that posting threats against individuals brought this to everyone's attention and think that those who posted them won't have to worry about pissing in a bag and now concentrate on not dropping the soap.
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If you haven't heard of Amerijet then you've got to get your head out of the sand buddy!!
Thank You for all the Jump Seat rides you guys have given me in the past (when it was allowed)
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Some of the most dangerous flying I've ever seen in my 20+years, and they do it in a B727
These guys and gals DESERVE BETTER for what they do!!
My Best Wishes to all the pilots at Amerijet, hope you get back to work soon with better conditions.
A Canadian that supports your struggle
Flex
Thank You for all the Jump Seat rides you guys have given me in the past (when it was allowed)
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Some of the most dangerous flying I've ever seen in my 20+years, and they do it in a B727
These guys and gals DESERVE BETTER for what they do!!
My Best Wishes to all the pilots at Amerijet, hope you get back to work soon with better conditions.
A Canadian that supports your struggle
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Not saying I don't think Amerjet pilots deserve better, but their strike wasn't exactly headline news up here.
I like to think I'm fairly well connected and I didn't hear about it until someone posted it on here. I had heard of AmeriJet before but everyone I talked to about this said "Ameri who??" Granted that im no longer flying night cargo in the 727 but in the corporate side.
I suspect that when a call came to CargoJet to charter them it was like any other call, I don't think they have a subscription to the Amerijet Pilot Magazine "No Toilet at FL320" or the Ramp crews favorite "6 bag flight from Bogota"
I like to think I'm fairly well connected and I didn't hear about it until someone posted it on here. I had heard of AmeriJet before but everyone I talked to about this said "Ameri who??" Granted that im no longer flying night cargo in the 727 but in the corporate side.
I suspect that when a call came to CargoJet to charter them it was like any other call, I don't think they have a subscription to the Amerijet Pilot Magazine "No Toilet at FL320" or the Ramp crews favorite "6 bag flight from Bogota"
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The union was voted in back in 2004. They have been trying to get a first contract since then. They pay no dues until a contract is agreed to.
Once the crew found out there was a strike; which they did before the first flight, that was all they needed. Their communication with single finger sign language to strikers was their signal of how they felt.
The union was voted in back in 2004. They have been trying to get a first contract since then. They pay no dues until a contract is agreed to.
Once the crew found out there was a strike; which they did before the first flight, that was all they needed. Their communication with single finger sign language to strikers was their signal of how they felt.
Once the crew found out there was a strike; which they did before the first flight, that was all they needed. Their communication with single finger sign language to strikers was their signal of how they felt.
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Pprune is a managers wet dream
Once again we turn and feast on each other. This forum dovetails nicely into a chaotic heap of ****. Keep us all divided and these prick managers and owners of the airlines conquer and keep us at each other. I gurantee you there isn`t one manager of any company that gives a dam about this. In fact the two apposing management parties are racking up a tab together and laughing there greasy little asses off at a pub near you. The lack of talent of these individuals to manage and maintain a viable operation always results in the pilots eating a **** sandwich for lunch. Not one pilot involved is laughing about this. All are just thinking about there jobs tommorrow. Point your finger at the problem. Although Iam a Canadian i work in Asia. I can assure you pointing your finger at the integrity of all Canadians is not the answer. The fine establishment i drive for in Asia was a cockup when i joined it and its only got worse. Not my fault or any of my buddys. Use this forum more wisely, go after the perps not the worker bees. And if your in management and on this forum...
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The history of soliciting struck work by CJ goes back to the Winnport days. Blame management mentality not the crews who are stuck in a bad spot.
No I am not, nor have I ever been a CJ pilot.
G3
No I am not, nor have I ever been a CJ pilot.
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Hey NG captain - 'black balled'? Who gives a rats arse outside of the US - there are and will be for evermore lots of work outside of the US.
Always a tough situation this one - but don't slag the guys off who have to fly to keep their jobs legally. You know - the simple things like mortgages and feeding the kids.. Yeah Chuck you talk the talk but can you walk the walk matey
Always a tough situation this one - but don't slag the guys off who have to fly to keep their jobs legally. You know - the simple things like mortgages and feeding the kids.. Yeah Chuck you talk the talk but can you walk the walk matey
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Reality Check for the brothers of the smaller companies
So these guys have walked away from their jobs, and apparently its all because they don’t have a bathroom because as minorities they don’t deserve one. Lets think about this….is it about a bathroom because that’s the best rally point they have? And now it’s a racial issue too? Or is it because this makes the best sound bite? Here is a point of view that should make more than a few people really wonder what this is all about. Yes, its true that the IBT and Amerijet have been in talks for the past five years…but consider this…its well know that last year in July Amerijet offered a proposal to the IBT for a full contract for its pilots and flight engineers in an effort to conclude the mediation and reach a contract. The IBT left that meeting and for the next seven months did not return a single call to the pilot negotiating committee, and when the pilots showed up at the IBT offices to ask “whats up?”, they were basically thrown out. Ask the committee. So why were they ignored after all the efforts to date? Well the IBT basically had a major section of their income sector on fire when DHL decided to pull out of the US market and cut their need for the IBT represented ABX crews in Wilmington, Ohio. Understandably that’s where their attention was during these seven months. So what brought the IBT back to the table for the Amerijet crews? My vote says it was the announcement that Amerijet would be leasing five 767’s that ultimately came from the downsized DHL/ABX operations. The IBT saw the breakup of their cash cow at ABX as something to be protected and by returning to the bargaining table immediately announced they would “shut the company down”, in fact, at many a pilot meeting it has been said the IBT repeatedly told its constituents they would shut down Amerijet. Who wins by this effort? The Amerijet crews or the ABX crews? Amerijet published a memo to its crews 14 hours before the strike deadline stating they had accepted a mediation proposal, but in the end the IBT snubbed it. Ask a striker at Amerijet why they are walking and you don’t get a very clear answer. They are very angry though, I would be too if in the back of my mind I was wondering how I had gotten into this position.
The sad part as I see it, is that the IBT are more interested in keeping their cash cow at ABX alive than the small group of Amerijet crews they have sacrificed in order to keep the ABX guys happy. It will all make a good book someday; too bad nobody walking the line can read it now, not that they can fight the big bully machine of the IBT.
The sad part as I see it, is that the IBT are more interested in keeping their cash cow at ABX alive than the small group of Amerijet crews they have sacrificed in order to keep the ABX guys happy. It will all make a good book someday; too bad nobody walking the line can read it now, not that they can fight the big bully machine of the IBT.
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management?
Spoken like a true management pilot trying to drive the wedge. First of all, I will watch with great interest to see if the Amerijet management will be able to pull off getting 767's on their certificate. Next, let's see if they can pay the bills necessary to sustain a 767 operation that will continue to satisfy the feds.
I would guess that the ABX guys would fight to keep those airplanes and work on their side of the fence, but to suggest this is some sort of IBT plot is far fetched.
We all view the Amerijet situation as the "line in the sand" for labor. Let these guys go down, and we are all next.
I would guess that the ABX guys would fight to keep those airplanes and work on their side of the fence, but to suggest this is some sort of IBT plot is far fetched.
We all view the Amerijet situation as the "line in the sand" for labor. Let these guys go down, and we are all next.