Flying in Quebec - Don't speak French
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Quebecer: keep your head up...don't fall in evansb's trap, we're smarter than that...
Chuck Ellsworth: you're a true gentleman, sir, as always.
bral11: please don't consider unproductive comments like evansb's when making your choice, I'd say people like him are a minority throughout Canada.
Chuck Ellsworth: you're a true gentleman, sir, as always.
bral11: please don't consider unproductive comments like evansb's when making your choice, I'd say people like him are a minority throughout Canada.
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Very nice post Quebecer
!! Dommage que le pauvre ignorant d'Albertain ne puisse pas comprendre
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After all, aren't the official languages of Canada both English & French!? Je suis heureux de pouvoir m'exprimer dans les deux langues.....I'm happy to be able to express myself in both languages....and since when is learning a second language a detriment!? Evansb should get out more and see the real world....or at least the real Canada
.....like I said, he's probably just a Quebecois wannabe,ha!!
......Great comments Gumbi & Chuck E.....
Cheers,
RWTY
!! Dommage que le pauvre ignorant d'Albertain ne puisse pas comprendre.....After all, aren't the official languages of Canada both English & French!? Je suis heureux de pouvoir m'exprimer dans les deux langues.....I'm happy to be able to express myself in both languages....and since when is learning a second language a detriment!? Evansb should get out more and see the real world....or at least the real Canada
.....like I said, he's probably just a Quebecois wannabe,ha!!......Great comments Gumbi & Chuck E.....Cheers,
RWTY
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EvansB,
I guess you find it unsafe to fly in all of South America where most acft are transmiting in spanish?What about the spanish Caribean islands?
You wouldn't fly in France or Spain or the rest of Europe for that matter?
How about Asia or Africa?
Get my point?You're either a small timer who doesn't get out much or you're just a racist.Either way I pitty you.
I guess you find it unsafe to fly in all of South America where most acft are transmiting in spanish?What about the spanish Caribean islands?
You wouldn't fly in France or Spain or the rest of Europe for that matter?
How about Asia or Africa?
Get my point?You're either a small timer who doesn't get out much or you're just a racist.Either way I pitty you.
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I take back the 'alberta red-neck' comment as I meant to shut evansb trap and not insulting anybody else...I guess I fell in the despising-easy-to-come-up-whith-narrow-minded-comments myself...Oh well, no more ppruning after I had a few.
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Ok evansb,
1) your ingorant & you know nothing about Quebec.
2) it's just a minority that wants to seperate! Just like the minority in Alberta that has expressed their wishes to become a sovereign state. I love how these people think they are special just because they sit on oil!
3) Montreal is culturaly superior to your Yahoo land! Oh geez you have Calgary, which is only a semi **** hole
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You will have no problems with the language barriers. Most also speak English in Montreal as well.
Cargair has just improved their yhu base to accomodate international students. Their training is very good & affordable!
Good luck!
1) your ingorant & you know nothing about Quebec.
2) it's just a minority that wants to seperate! Just like the minority in Alberta that has expressed their wishes to become a sovereign state. I love how these people think they are special just because they sit on oil!
3) Montreal is culturaly superior to your Yahoo land! Oh geez you have Calgary, which is only a semi **** hole
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You will have no problems with the language barriers. Most also speak English in Montreal as well.
Cargair has just improved their yhu base to accomodate international students. Their training is very good & affordable!
Good luck!
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Quebcer,
That about sums up the issues with Quebec...they think they are a seperate country with their own rules, and well that kind of pisses off the rest of Canada. A little less nose in the air holier than thou bit and maybe we'd get along better.
The point being made, and it is a valid one, is that it reduces english speaking pilots situational awareness when aircraft communicate in French in an ATC environment. It is not necessary, and simply complicates the communication process. Since you spent 10 years in the military and learned english i would assume you'd understand that. Any other pilot who wants to fly must also learn and speak english regardless of where he comes from in the world, like it or not its the official language. So why is Quebec special yet again? I guess they feel like they have something to prove..sort of like the silly language law.
All over Canada we tiptoe around french politics, trying desperatly not to offend our sensitive quebec neighbours, while the whole time they go out of the way to try and offend the rest of canada. if for one moment someone calls then on that, they drop to the ice and flop around screaming like they just got slashed and are looking for a penalty....guess some are just a bit tired of that status quo.
In any case the end point is simply if you don't speak the language that is supposed to be spoken in aviation, then you reduce SA of pilots that don't understand the local dialect and that reduces the margin of safety wether or not it has caused an accident or not..no point to it at all.
That about sums up the issues with Quebec...they think they are a seperate country with their own rules, and well that kind of pisses off the rest of Canada. A little less nose in the air holier than thou bit and maybe we'd get along better.
The point being made, and it is a valid one, is that it reduces english speaking pilots situational awareness when aircraft communicate in French in an ATC environment. It is not necessary, and simply complicates the communication process. Since you spent 10 years in the military and learned english i would assume you'd understand that. Any other pilot who wants to fly must also learn and speak english regardless of where he comes from in the world, like it or not its the official language. So why is Quebec special yet again? I guess they feel like they have something to prove..sort of like the silly language law.
All over Canada we tiptoe around french politics, trying desperatly not to offend our sensitive quebec neighbours, while the whole time they go out of the way to try and offend the rest of canada. if for one moment someone calls then on that, they drop to the ice and flop around screaming like they just got slashed and are looking for a penalty....guess some are just a bit tired of that status quo.
In any case the end point is simply if you don't speak the language that is supposed to be spoken in aviation, then you reduce SA of pilots that don't understand the local dialect and that reduces the margin of safety wether or not it has caused an accident or not..no point to it at all.
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Hello Aviators!!!
I m an ex cargair flight instructor and i ve been living in montreal area a bit more than 4 years....i guess you will understand that english isn t my native language but i can tell you that you can easily be trained in english in all majors flight school through Quebec....
Montreal is a very attractive city ; the west and north part of the city are almost only for english speakers.
Keep in mind that Canada have 2 officials languages....so all administrations will be able to help you there.
Did you already tlak to R .Laporte otherwise you can also ask and try to talk to Josee Prud homme Vice president or even better to Loraine Dumont CFI...as far as i m concern she was a bit hard to talk with but she s honest!!!
Hope those details would help you to sort it out
you take it easy and have safe ldgs
Cheers
I m an ex cargair flight instructor and i ve been living in montreal area a bit more than 4 years....i guess you will understand that english isn t my native language but i can tell you that you can easily be trained in english in all majors flight school through Quebec....
Montreal is a very attractive city ; the west and north part of the city are almost only for english speakers.
Keep in mind that Canada have 2 officials languages....so all administrations will be able to help you there.
Did you already tlak to R .Laporte otherwise you can also ask and try to talk to Josee Prud homme Vice president or even better to Loraine Dumont CFI...as far as i m concern she was a bit hard to talk with but she s honest!!!
Hope those details would help you to sort it out
you take it easy and have safe ldgs
Cheers
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tbaylx and all being for montreal and yes quebecois I'm glad of my roots and my culture and will defend it. but it's been close to 15 years now that i'm flying around and for safety sake only english should be use in the air.
That being said Tbaylx the silly language law that you refering to, have nothing to do with being SPECIAL or having something to prove mon ami. It's simply a way to survive, we are 6 millions french speaking surround by 400 millions english. We need 2.1 baby per couple to keep a flat demographic and as you know we are far from that. So the solution is immigration. Now if you come here from Romania, South America, China, ect and you have to learn a language they, unless there is a SILLY LAW who protect our language, will learn or use english. So in 2 to 3 generation gone will be that culture. That along yours build that great place that a call home and miss dearly..
We should talk more and respect our difference there is still people in quebec who love canada. but it's with comment like that that you give munition to those who want to separate.
If you come to montreal PM me i will invite you home for a beer and i will show you around town. Then you might understand the concept of societe distincte.
BTW in Richmond BC Richwong i should say, soon they will have to make a silly law also to protect your tongue as well
That being said Tbaylx the silly language law that you refering to, have nothing to do with being SPECIAL or having something to prove mon ami. It's simply a way to survive, we are 6 millions french speaking surround by 400 millions english. We need 2.1 baby per couple to keep a flat demographic and as you know we are far from that. So the solution is immigration. Now if you come here from Romania, South America, China, ect and you have to learn a language they, unless there is a SILLY LAW who protect our language, will learn or use english. So in 2 to 3 generation gone will be that culture. That along yours build that great place that a call home and miss dearly..
We should talk more and respect our difference there is still people in quebec who love canada. but it's with comment like that that you give munition to those who want to separate.
If you come to montreal PM me i will invite you home for a beer and i will show you around town. Then you might understand the concept of societe distincte.
BTW in Richmond BC Richwong i should say, soon they will have to make a silly law also to protect your tongue as well
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I have been flying in Quebec for many years. I am fluent in French and English so I have no situational awareness issues. In controlled airspace there won't be any problems. You may encounter issues with unilingual French pilots at smaller uncontrolled fields in the hinterlands, but you'll find that if you come on the frequency in English, most French pilots will understand that you probably can't speak French, and will attempt to communicate their position/intentions in English, as broken as it may be some times.
It would help to learn a few situational terms so you can at least decipher a French position report around an airfield and keep out of each other's way:
"Vent arrière" means on the downwind leg (add "droite" and it means a right downwind); "long-vent arrière" means "extended downwind", and "mi-vent arrière" is "mid-downwind"
"Base" (prounounced baze in French) means as you guessed, base leg
"approche finale" I think is pretty easy to sort out; prefix that with "courte" and it means "short final", "longue" means of course long.
"À la verticale des installations" means directly overhead the field;
"En vent traversier" means the crosswind leg (when flying bump-and-goes).
A bit of number recognition helps; we use "milles" or "milles nautiques" in French which means "miles" or "nautical miles" (to be proper French it we should really say "milles marins"; Quebecers are a great bunch of people but we can and do murder the language considerably), so if you can say up to 10 in French, you can understand a position report of someone who is "5 milles en rapprochement" which means 5 miles inbound, and maybe thousands, so you can interpret altitudes.
Oh and Est is East, Ouest is West, Nord is North, and Sud is South.
I'm willing to bet if you live here long enough, you'll pick up the essentials pretty quick. And may I emphatically recommend a French girlfriend while you are here; not only will you learn the nuts and bolts of the language that much faster, it will be that much more fun because they are the best-looking and most warm-blooded women in Canada!
One last bit of advice, and this goes for any VFR flyer (which a student will be), keep yer head out of the cockpit.
It would help to learn a few situational terms so you can at least decipher a French position report around an airfield and keep out of each other's way:
"Vent arrière" means on the downwind leg (add "droite" and it means a right downwind); "long-vent arrière" means "extended downwind", and "mi-vent arrière" is "mid-downwind"
"Base" (prounounced baze in French) means as you guessed, base leg
"approche finale" I think is pretty easy to sort out; prefix that with "courte" and it means "short final", "longue" means of course long.
"À la verticale des installations" means directly overhead the field;
"En vent traversier" means the crosswind leg (when flying bump-and-goes).
A bit of number recognition helps; we use "milles" or "milles nautiques" in French which means "miles" or "nautical miles" (to be proper French it we should really say "milles marins"; Quebecers are a great bunch of people but we can and do murder the language considerably), so if you can say up to 10 in French, you can understand a position report of someone who is "5 milles en rapprochement" which means 5 miles inbound, and maybe thousands, so you can interpret altitudes.
Oh and Est is East, Ouest is West, Nord is North, and Sud is South.
I'm willing to bet if you live here long enough, you'll pick up the essentials pretty quick. And may I emphatically recommend a French girlfriend while you are here; not only will you learn the nuts and bolts of the language that much faster, it will be that much more fun because they are the best-looking and most warm-blooded women in Canada!
One last bit of advice, and this goes for any VFR flyer (which a student will be), keep yer head out of the cockpit.
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Beech has a few good points. I am an anglophone who worked in Quebec for 7 years and agree that with a little effort you can learn the aviation terminology used in La Belle Province. If you're flying with a french speaker ask him or her to help you learn and I'm sure they will oblige. The list of terms is not that extensive so it can be done. Besides France, you'd be surprised in how many other countries in the world where they speak french on the radio. Many countries in Africa and even in the middle east( lebanon) use french in aviation.
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Sec sorry on that one but apart from us , France, Morroco, Algeria and a little in Tunisia noboby use french on R/T.
As a madder of fact all europe exept France and Spain use only english, some time in Italy you will ear Italian R/T on the ground for slot improvement or the latest football score that all. Even German speak english in Germany
Asia all R/T are english exept Russia and China maybe because they have been isolated so much and still use the meters
Africa everywhere I have been english apart some country of the Margreb
Middle east only english appart some greeting and politeness even Lebanon
South America thats another story..We have 3 guys from there who just fail the ICAO test thats sad there a good bunch
We all have one goal safety, on smaller vfr aerodrome i dont see any problem. But
in a major intl airport thats another story. Few years ago after being clear to line up the rwy in Pudong my FO who hapend to speak chinesse told me to wait there, guess what 3 milles final was a china eastern A330 who have been clear to land....is TCAS was off and the vis was reduce there was no way we could have seen him on final..Not all ATC are as good as UK no even in the USA.
When I start flying i was proud to speak french wherever I could... Only monkey dont change Faut croire
As a madder of fact all europe exept France and Spain use only english, some time in Italy you will ear Italian R/T on the ground for slot improvement or the latest football score that all. Even German speak english in Germany
Asia all R/T are english exept Russia and China maybe because they have been isolated so much and still use the meters
Africa everywhere I have been english apart some country of the Margreb
Middle east only english appart some greeting and politeness even Lebanon
South America thats another story..We have 3 guys from there who just fail the ICAO test thats sad there a good bunch
We all have one goal safety, on smaller vfr aerodrome i dont see any problem. But
in a major intl airport thats another story. Few years ago after being clear to line up the rwy in Pudong my FO who hapend to speak chinesse told me to wait there, guess what 3 milles final was a china eastern A330 who have been clear to land....is TCAS was off and the vis was reduce there was no way we could have seen him on final..Not all ATC are as good as UK no even in the USA.
When I start flying i was proud to speak french wherever I could... Only monkey dont change Faut croire
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Neutral opinion...
To my Canadian friends and other "francophones"...
xxx
I was born in Brussels, Belgium, therefore, can be considered as francophone yet most of my career was in USA or with US air carriers, and now in Argentina since 15 years, meaning that I am fully proficient in the "massacre" of 3 (or even 4) languages, as you can see on some of my threads in the forum.
xxx
For me, since starting to learn about airplanes, and learning to fly (first in Belgium, then USA) all has been in English. And yes, I use French at times, and obviously Spanish. Of course I favor English for ATC purpose, anywhere, but I have to survive in different environments.
xxx
As much of my English is "American" (when I go to the UK, they think that I am a California boy), but I know that in London, I should say "hire a car" rather than "rent a car", and should write "pilot licence" rather than "license", same thing applies with the French language. There are notable differences between French as it is spoken in France, or in the Province of Québec.
xxx
If you are a Frenchman, Belgian, Swiss, or African, beware of the "Français du Canada" as it is spoken by ATC people there. Long ago, I once used French while on approach and landing at Dorval, and soon realised that I had problem to understand their "aeronautical French language"... Dorval or Mirabel "French" is not the same as the one used in Roissy or Casablanca.
xxx
When being "social" with the people in Montréal, hotel, restaurants or in the streets, I adore speaking French, and they immediately know that my French is not "Québecois". The vocabulary is often different.
xxx
If you fly in international airspace (and for me, Dorval is international) I stick to English. Now, if you want to use French for VFR on small airfields, go for it but think about people that will not understand a word you say.
xxx
Now, as I am an "adopted Latino", you can criticize me, as I often use Spanish, in South America with ATC (and even position reports in Portuguese in Brazilian airspace) but if I hear an American, Canadian, European or Japanese airplane on the frequency, I immediately switch to English with ATC as a courtesy to these guys. I am sure they have no interest if I inquire about the latest "football/soccer" Argentina games with Resistencia Radio, as I myself know nothing about the NFL. Dont you worry, if you are United Airlines, I will give you the latest ceiling and visibility and trend, for Buenos Aires if you need any help in "plane English"...
xxx
I am a training manager, here in Argentina, and insist that all "my guys" use their best ICAO English with ATC, but we, foreigners, besides our native languages, have to learn to speak English, then, why is it, that if you are a native of the English language cannot at least learn the basics of one or two major languages used in many other nations. Have you ever looked at your own spelling of your own language (English) here in this forum...? A real disgrace, at times. When I lived in USA, this "Brussels Sprout" had to help some Americans to spell their language correctly. Decent, and descend is NOT the same thing, even if it sounds the same, for heaven's sake...
xxx
When you guys go to college/university, studying physics and aeronautical sciences, why not take courses in, i.e. French or Spanish. I believe that any Canadian should learn at least some French. Belgians have to learn French and Dutch/Flemish (besides English, and sometimes German), and the Swiss have to suffer with French, German and even Italian, in addition of English. Or is it that Anglo-Saxons have a mental atrophy to study languages...?
xxx
Let us clean up our act, in the skies... and on the ground, we can have a beer together and laugh at our respective language differences and accents. When I am in Madrid, the folks there are pulling their hair with my Buenos Aires dialect. As a Belgian native, I am ashamed of the "language politics" of my country, as you Canadians should be about yours.
xxx
Besides all that, "Happy contrails" -
xxx
I was born in Brussels, Belgium, therefore, can be considered as francophone yet most of my career was in USA or with US air carriers, and now in Argentina since 15 years, meaning that I am fully proficient in the "massacre" of 3 (or even 4) languages, as you can see on some of my threads in the forum.
xxx
For me, since starting to learn about airplanes, and learning to fly (first in Belgium, then USA) all has been in English. And yes, I use French at times, and obviously Spanish. Of course I favor English for ATC purpose, anywhere, but I have to survive in different environments.
xxx
As much of my English is "American" (when I go to the UK, they think that I am a California boy), but I know that in London, I should say "hire a car" rather than "rent a car", and should write "pilot licence" rather than "license", same thing applies with the French language. There are notable differences between French as it is spoken in France, or in the Province of Québec.
xxx
If you are a Frenchman, Belgian, Swiss, or African, beware of the "Français du Canada" as it is spoken by ATC people there. Long ago, I once used French while on approach and landing at Dorval, and soon realised that I had problem to understand their "aeronautical French language"... Dorval or Mirabel "French" is not the same as the one used in Roissy or Casablanca.
xxx
When being "social" with the people in Montréal, hotel, restaurants or in the streets, I adore speaking French, and they immediately know that my French is not "Québecois". The vocabulary is often different.
xxx
If you fly in international airspace (and for me, Dorval is international) I stick to English. Now, if you want to use French for VFR on small airfields, go for it but think about people that will not understand a word you say.
xxx
Now, as I am an "adopted Latino", you can criticize me, as I often use Spanish, in South America with ATC (and even position reports in Portuguese in Brazilian airspace) but if I hear an American, Canadian, European or Japanese airplane on the frequency, I immediately switch to English with ATC as a courtesy to these guys. I am sure they have no interest if I inquire about the latest "football/soccer" Argentina games with Resistencia Radio, as I myself know nothing about the NFL. Dont you worry, if you are United Airlines, I will give you the latest ceiling and visibility and trend, for Buenos Aires if you need any help in "plane English"...
xxx
I am a training manager, here in Argentina, and insist that all "my guys" use their best ICAO English with ATC, but we, foreigners, besides our native languages, have to learn to speak English, then, why is it, that if you are a native of the English language cannot at least learn the basics of one or two major languages used in many other nations. Have you ever looked at your own spelling of your own language (English) here in this forum...? A real disgrace, at times. When I lived in USA, this "Brussels Sprout" had to help some Americans to spell their language correctly. Decent, and descend is NOT the same thing, even if it sounds the same, for heaven's sake...
xxx
When you guys go to college/university, studying physics and aeronautical sciences, why not take courses in, i.e. French or Spanish. I believe that any Canadian should learn at least some French. Belgians have to learn French and Dutch/Flemish (besides English, and sometimes German), and the Swiss have to suffer with French, German and even Italian, in addition of English. Or is it that Anglo-Saxons have a mental atrophy to study languages...?
xxx
Let us clean up our act, in the skies... and on the ground, we can have a beer together and laugh at our respective language differences and accents. When I am in Madrid, the folks there are pulling their hair with my Buenos Aires dialect. As a Belgian native, I am ashamed of the "language politics" of my country, as you Canadians should be about yours.
xxx
Besides all that, "Happy contrails" -
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Thanks for your help everyone!
I have quite abit to think about, im considering PRI Academy in Ontario at the moment. Im going over to Toronto in may for 3 weeks so will go to some schools around there to check them out, looking forward to it!
Thanks again
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I have quite abit to think about, im considering PRI Academy in Ontario at the moment. Im going over to Toronto in may for 3 weeks so will go to some schools around there to check them out, looking forward to it!
Thanks again
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That about sums up the issues with Quebec...they think they are a seperate country with their own rules, and well that kind of pisses off the rest of Canada. A little less nose in the air holier than thou bit and maybe we'd get along better.
tbaylx....you are obviously ignorant & don't know much about the situation!
For years Quebecers wanted to be known as a distinctive society. Remember that they have their own language, history, culture & religion.
& they should be!
Unfortunatly, English Canadians have never tried to understand that. Their lack of understanding was also one of the reasons that created constitutional problems!
Intolerance towards French Canadians has given Quebecers a sense of alienation towards the rest of Canada!
Check the history books! They had their attachment with France until they were conquered...
Thanks to "la survivance" or "the resistance", they have managed to protect their culture from being assimilated!
Why can't the rest of Canada learn French also? Or at least offer more Bi-Lingual schools?
Why not?.......intolerance towards our second national language?
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Quote: “Check the history books!”
General Wolfe won the Battle of Quebec and united Canada under English rule! The defeated French in Quebec were not evicted like the Acadians. As a GENEROUS gesture to the defeated French, they were allowed to remain and use their own language as well as English and Napoleonic law within Quebec. There is no historical case for the use of French in the rest of Canada. This is something that in recent times has been foisted upon the rest of Canada at considerable expense by the Liberal/Quebec Party.
Quebec has deliberately driven out businesses and anglophones with its language policies and deterred new businesses. Examples: Canadian Pacific Railway HQ now in Calgary, Shell Oil Canada HQ now in Calgary, Sun Life Insurance HQ now in Toronto, Ingersoll Rand plant in Ontario instead of Quebec. It then has the cheek to plead poverty and absorb vast sums of money from the rest of Canada through the Federal government equalisation payments.
As a further example of what is going on, just a few days ago I was listening to CBC Radio One profiling the case of the Irish pub in Montreal. This has been in operation for ten years. The language Nazis have recently started to persecute the operators because some "signs" are not bilingual. They are not complaining about functional signs such as the way to the bogs (les ****eurs?) but want old metal Guinness signs that are only available in English and are hung on the walls as part of the DECOR of an IRISH pub to be bilingual English and French. They are prepared to destroy the business and the jobs that it provides over this. This is how stupid the Quebec government is!
Equalisation payments via the federal government should be eliminated. Taxpayers in productive provinces should not be required to subsidise parasite provinces that have deliberately destroyed jobs and made their businesses uncompetitive by their negative fiscal and language policies.
In addition to the above, the cost of bilingualism has been imposed upon all Canadians and has contributed to making the country less competitive. The message to Quebec (and some other provinces and territories) should be “Pay your way and contribute to Canada instead of being a drain on the country.”
I have no objection to Quebec Province and individual Quebecois using French as well as English AT THEIR OWN COST in Quebec (apart from aviation) but cannot support such lunacies as the pub case mentioned above. There should be no cost for any of this to the rest of Canada. Quebec residents should use English in the rest of Canada. They have to use it anyway. You can be sure that when Bombardier sells CRJs to some American air operator or railway rolling stock to New York City that negotiations and documents are in English!
Residents of Quebec should be grateful that they are there and that they are able to use French as well as English and have Napoleonic law in Quebec. Stop pushing for more and trying to make the whole country dance to and pay for strictly provincial issues.
I must add that over the years I have known many francophones from Quebec and they have all been very pleasant people. It’s similar to Americans and the USA. As individuals Americans are great and generous people but the USA is probably the most unpopular country in the world. Quebec makes the same mistakes. As a consequence it has alienated vast parts of Canada (the West particularly) and contributed to Western separatist movements such as Westfed and the Western Canada Concept.
It’s an unfortunate fact that in Canada any attempt to have an intelligent and sensible debate on Quebec, French language and Indian and Eskimo issues (another $9 billion pa for the so-called first nations) draws a torrent of irrational abuse!
General Wolfe won the Battle of Quebec and united Canada under English rule! The defeated French in Quebec were not evicted like the Acadians. As a GENEROUS gesture to the defeated French, they were allowed to remain and use their own language as well as English and Napoleonic law within Quebec. There is no historical case for the use of French in the rest of Canada. This is something that in recent times has been foisted upon the rest of Canada at considerable expense by the Liberal/Quebec Party.
Quebec has deliberately driven out businesses and anglophones with its language policies and deterred new businesses. Examples: Canadian Pacific Railway HQ now in Calgary, Shell Oil Canada HQ now in Calgary, Sun Life Insurance HQ now in Toronto, Ingersoll Rand plant in Ontario instead of Quebec. It then has the cheek to plead poverty and absorb vast sums of money from the rest of Canada through the Federal government equalisation payments.
As a further example of what is going on, just a few days ago I was listening to CBC Radio One profiling the case of the Irish pub in Montreal. This has been in operation for ten years. The language Nazis have recently started to persecute the operators because some "signs" are not bilingual. They are not complaining about functional signs such as the way to the bogs (les ****eurs?) but want old metal Guinness signs that are only available in English and are hung on the walls as part of the DECOR of an IRISH pub to be bilingual English and French. They are prepared to destroy the business and the jobs that it provides over this. This is how stupid the Quebec government is!
Equalisation payments via the federal government should be eliminated. Taxpayers in productive provinces should not be required to subsidise parasite provinces that have deliberately destroyed jobs and made their businesses uncompetitive by their negative fiscal and language policies.
In addition to the above, the cost of bilingualism has been imposed upon all Canadians and has contributed to making the country less competitive. The message to Quebec (and some other provinces and territories) should be “Pay your way and contribute to Canada instead of being a drain on the country.”
I have no objection to Quebec Province and individual Quebecois using French as well as English AT THEIR OWN COST in Quebec (apart from aviation) but cannot support such lunacies as the pub case mentioned above. There should be no cost for any of this to the rest of Canada. Quebec residents should use English in the rest of Canada. They have to use it anyway. You can be sure that when Bombardier sells CRJs to some American air operator or railway rolling stock to New York City that negotiations and documents are in English!
Residents of Quebec should be grateful that they are there and that they are able to use French as well as English and have Napoleonic law in Quebec. Stop pushing for more and trying to make the whole country dance to and pay for strictly provincial issues.
I must add that over the years I have known many francophones from Quebec and they have all been very pleasant people. It’s similar to Americans and the USA. As individuals Americans are great and generous people but the USA is probably the most unpopular country in the world. Quebec makes the same mistakes. As a consequence it has alienated vast parts of Canada (the West particularly) and contributed to Western separatist movements such as Westfed and the Western Canada Concept.
It’s an unfortunate fact that in Canada any attempt to have an intelligent and sensible debate on Quebec, French language and Indian and Eskimo issues (another $9 billion pa for the so-called first nations) draws a torrent of irrational abuse!
Last edited by Carrier; 21st Feb 2008 at 12:34.