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Quote: “Check the history books!” As a GENEROUS gesture to the defeated French
I'm not so shure about this one mon ami, it was political move not a generous gesture because not long after that the french and the loyalist fought together the american and drive them back home. Thats was a good exemple of coalision and understanding, An exemple for our generation. We tend to have a very selective memory on some issue.
As for the law we are under british law with some napoleonic act or amendment here thats all.
As for the moron in the gouverment who apply those law and who cant read between the line are sometime make me ashame, and you are not immune of those on your side.
Dont forget our grands parents generation the only job they could expect was agricultural or factory work because the where french speaking, la caisse populaire ( a bank) was start to help those to get credit because before they could'nt even have access to that. Almost in the line of the Bremeen bank in Bangladesh. From those folk, grow the generation wich are now on power..Did you know the Air Canada before the 70's was not hiring anybody with a french name!! Still in the 90's rare were the french hire at CAnada 3000 or english at Air Transat and the story goes and goes..Like kiking us out of the confederation unilateraly..It take long time to patch the wound.
Please the time have change now lets not make te same mistake lets sit and understand each other.
We on both side have extremism but they are a minority and the one who are with some history talk around a few cold one understand, most of the time but you better have done work homework and have good arguments.
Carrier you do what you want but by saying thing like
quote... the cost of bilingualism has been imposed upon all Canadians and has contributed to making the country less competitive. The message to Quebec (and some other provinces and territories) should be “Pay your way and contribute to Canada instead of being a drain on the country.” show a complite ignorance of the political ramification they are a very SIMPLE thing to say. Notting is white or black on those issue its a give and take..
A suivre........ got a flight to do
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I'm not so shure about this one mon ami, it was political move not a generous gesture because not long after that the french and the loyalist fought together the american and drive them back home. Thats was a good exemple of coalision and understanding, An exemple for our generation. We tend to have a very selective memory on some issue.
As for the law we are under british law with some napoleonic act or amendment here thats all.
As for the moron in the gouverment who apply those law and who cant read between the line are sometime make me ashame, and you are not immune of those on your side.
Dont forget our grands parents generation the only job they could expect was agricultural or factory work because the where french speaking, la caisse populaire ( a bank) was start to help those to get credit because before they could'nt even have access to that. Almost in the line of the Bremeen bank in Bangladesh. From those folk, grow the generation wich are now on power..Did you know the Air Canada before the 70's was not hiring anybody with a french name!! Still in the 90's rare were the french hire at CAnada 3000 or english at Air Transat and the story goes and goes..Like kiking us out of the confederation unilateraly..It take long time to patch the wound.
Please the time have change now lets not make te same mistake lets sit and understand each other.
We on both side have extremism but they are a minority and the one who are with some history talk around a few cold one understand, most of the time but you better have done work homework and have good arguments.
Carrier you do what you want but by saying thing like
quote... the cost of bilingualism has been imposed upon all Canadians and has contributed to making the country less competitive. The message to Quebec (and some other provinces and territories) should be “Pay your way and contribute to Canada instead of being a drain on the country.” show a complite ignorance of the political ramification they are a very SIMPLE thing to say. Notting is white or black on those issue its a give and take..
A suivre........ got a flight to do
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Ridiculous
First of all, the " Arcadians " should be spelled " Acadians " -
Then - people who fight "guerres linguisitiques" are as disgusting as racists.
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Cultures of the past should be respected - both sides.
The Québecois "who want Québec Libre" are as ridiculous as the "Flamingants" of Belgium.
xxx
United - you are strong and respected.
Look at Yugoslavia, today. What a mess. The last one on the list is Kosovo.
Wars for language, for religion... you all are ri-di-cu-lous...
Then it is the Sunnis and the Shiites... or the Tutsis and the Hutus...
Are you Canadians that low...?
xxx
I see Jehovah Witnesses banging on my door next few years with a bible and AK-47s.
Here in Argentina, we want the Falklands...
Conquer the islands with rubber boots, for the hind legs of the cute sheeps.
I suggest the ones with horns - holding handles works better.
The Welsh and Basques of Patagonia have wet dreams of conquest.
xxx
Ridiculous in my book -
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Then - people who fight "guerres linguisitiques" are as disgusting as racists.
xxx
Cultures of the past should be respected - both sides.
The Québecois "who want Québec Libre" are as ridiculous as the "Flamingants" of Belgium.
xxx
United - you are strong and respected.
Look at Yugoslavia, today. What a mess. The last one on the list is Kosovo.
Wars for language, for religion... you all are ri-di-cu-lous...
Then it is the Sunnis and the Shiites... or the Tutsis and the Hutus...
Are you Canadians that low...?
xxx
I see Jehovah Witnesses banging on my door next few years with a bible and AK-47s.
Here in Argentina, we want the Falklands...
Conquer the islands with rubber boots, for the hind legs of the cute sheeps.
I suggest the ones with horns - holding handles works better.
The Welsh and Basques of Patagonia have wet dreams of conquest.
xxx
Ridiculous in my book -
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Nope, not ignorant i've heard all the reasons Quebec thinks it should get special treatment..i just don't happen to agree. There are many distinct cultures within canada that speak their own language, and yet Quebec is the only one that seems to need laws and special teatment to keep their culture.
Everyone else manages fine in Canada so should Quebec....and before you spout off about ignorance again..i lived in Ottawa, Montreal, Quebec City and a few other places that had large french communities, and am bilingual as well so spare me the red neck albertan arguments before you get started. Just tired of having to tiptoe around those that get offended if you even think of suggesting Quebec could learn to play nice with the rest of us and it would make the country a better place.
The point originally made and its a valid one is that french RT decreases situational awareness of pilots that don't speak french and hence reduces safety..no need for that, keep it english on the radios. Simple.
Everyone else manages fine in Canada so should Quebec....and before you spout off about ignorance again..i lived in Ottawa, Montreal, Quebec City and a few other places that had large french communities, and am bilingual as well so spare me the red neck albertan arguments before you get started. Just tired of having to tiptoe around those that get offended if you even think of suggesting Quebec could learn to play nice with the rest of us and it would make the country a better place.
The point originally made and its a valid one is that french RT decreases situational awareness of pilots that don't speak french and hence reduces safety..no need for that, keep it english on the radios. Simple.
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As well as wrongly spelling Acadians I also incorrectly spelt Guinness. Nobody picked that up so there can’t be too many boozers viewing this thread. Both errors have been corrected. My apology to the spelling and grammar fundis!
Arcadians in Canada? In a way, yes. They are also known as hoodies and similar epithets and hang out in video arcades. That’s fine as long as they stay there but on too many occasions when they have emerged from their arcades it has been to swarm (mug) some senior (old age pensioner) in a shopping mall.
Arcadians in Canada? In a way, yes. They are also known as hoodies and similar epithets and hang out in video arcades. That’s fine as long as they stay there but on too many occasions when they have emerged from their arcades it has been to swarm (mug) some senior (old age pensioner) in a shopping mall.
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ACADIANS
The Acadians (French: Acadiens) are the descendants of the 17th-century French colonists who settled in Acadia (located in the Canadian Maritime provinces — Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Prince Edward Island — and some in the American state of Maine). Although today both Acadians and Québécois are francophone Canadians, Acadia was founded in a geographically separate region from Quebec ("Canada" at this time) leading to their two distinct cultures. The settlers whose descendants became Acadians did not necessarily all come from the same region in France. Those settlers also blended with the Mi'kmaq, a native tribe, and Acadians and their descendants are ethnically tied to these people. Acadian family names have come from many areas in France from the Maillets of Paris to the Leblancs of Normandy. Some Acadian families did not even originate in France; for example the popular Acadian surname 'Melanson' (originally 'Mallinson') has its roots in England, and those with the surname 'Bastrache', 'Basque', or 'Bascom' can find their origin in the Basque Country which is located between France and Spain.
In the Great Expulsion of 1755, around 4000 to 5000 Acadians were deported from Acadia under the direction of British colonial officers and New England legislators and militia; many later settled in Louisiana, where they became known as Cajuns. Later on many Acadians returned to the Maritime provinces of Canada, most specifically New Brunswick. During the British conquest of New France the French colony of Acadia was renamed Nova Scotia (New Scotland).
ACADIAN – singular; ACADIANS – plural!
I referred to Canada’s reduced competitiveness, partly because of the cost of extending French outside of Quebec. Don’t take my word for it. Take a look at Tax Freedom Day on www.fraserinstitute.org and then do a Google search for Tax Freedom Days for different countries. It should shock you to see how uncompetitive Canada has become. Do you want Canada to be competitive or not? Do you want Canada to be reduced to the economic failed state status of somewhere like Argentina or Poland? Are you on Canada’s side or not? As others have inferred, we should all work together for the common good and stop pandering to vocal factions.
As a final observation on countries with more than one official language, to the best of my knowledge all except one have considerable internal friction between the factions and they all incur additional costs (taxes). The only country with more than one language that I have never heard problems about is Switzerland. Perhaps Canadians and their government should investigate how Switzerland manages to achieve this.
ACADIANS
The Acadians (French: Acadiens) are the descendants of the 17th-century French colonists who settled in Acadia (located in the Canadian Maritime provinces — Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and Prince Edward Island — and some in the American state of Maine). Although today both Acadians and Québécois are francophone Canadians, Acadia was founded in a geographically separate region from Quebec ("Canada" at this time) leading to their two distinct cultures. The settlers whose descendants became Acadians did not necessarily all come from the same region in France. Those settlers also blended with the Mi'kmaq, a native tribe, and Acadians and their descendants are ethnically tied to these people. Acadian family names have come from many areas in France from the Maillets of Paris to the Leblancs of Normandy. Some Acadian families did not even originate in France; for example the popular Acadian surname 'Melanson' (originally 'Mallinson') has its roots in England, and those with the surname 'Bastrache', 'Basque', or 'Bascom' can find their origin in the Basque Country which is located between France and Spain.
In the Great Expulsion of 1755, around 4000 to 5000 Acadians were deported from Acadia under the direction of British colonial officers and New England legislators and militia; many later settled in Louisiana, where they became known as Cajuns. Later on many Acadians returned to the Maritime provinces of Canada, most specifically New Brunswick. During the British conquest of New France the French colony of Acadia was renamed Nova Scotia (New Scotland).
ACADIAN – singular; ACADIANS – plural!
I referred to Canada’s reduced competitiveness, partly because of the cost of extending French outside of Quebec. Don’t take my word for it. Take a look at Tax Freedom Day on www.fraserinstitute.org and then do a Google search for Tax Freedom Days for different countries. It should shock you to see how uncompetitive Canada has become. Do you want Canada to be competitive or not? Do you want Canada to be reduced to the economic failed state status of somewhere like Argentina or Poland? Are you on Canada’s side or not? As others have inferred, we should all work together for the common good and stop pandering to vocal factions.
As a final observation on countries with more than one official language, to the best of my knowledge all except one have considerable internal friction between the factions and they all incur additional costs (taxes). The only country with more than one language that I have never heard problems about is Switzerland. Perhaps Canadians and their government should investigate how Switzerland manages to achieve this.
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Nope, not ignorant i've heard all the reasons Quebec thinks it should get special treatment..i just don't happen to agree. There are many distinct cultures within canada that speak their own language, and yet Quebec is the only one that seems to need laws and special teatment to keep their culture.
The general attitude towards Franco Canada has always been negative. This dates back to the plains of Abraham!
How would you feel about Franco Canadians if they were the majority & were intolerant towards your minority?
I'm sorry, but there is two sides to the story....
Back to the history books...
Yes, the British did allow the french to keep their civil law, religion, language & culture.
But, their long term goal was to eliminate the franco/catholic culture & assimilate the population.
This eventually failed as the French adopted "la survivance"
Why can't westerners make the French language more acessibile to their children? In Canada we are creating more unlingual people then bilingual!
French is a beautiful language! What is wrong with learning both?
Although I am anglophone, I went to a french emerssion school. I thank my parents everyday for that!
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It's good to see that for most of us we can debate anonymously without any lack of respect.
Competitiveness alright lets start with that, as you know in that world of free trade we have create, Canada need to build a knowlege base society so I think if there is something we have to do with the language is to learn more not less dont you think?? If saving taxe for you mean more competitiveness try investing on education.
As for Switzerland I think the fact that nobody conquer anybody, or nobody think he is superior UPPER CANADA or have an inferiority complex LOWER CANADA, have help establish solid base when you do sit on a negociating table or write law.
When you say that we ask for special treatment show that you only take you info from some media because we DONT. What we want is for you to realise that because of our cultural differance we have different priority, goals, or way of doing things. Why will a bureaucrat in ottawa should decide the way we want to finance a project or something?? Our federalism as it is now is a big failure.
For years before Levesque's first referandum, we have fought for liberalism. But the people in Ottawa did **** all. It's because of those failure that the separatism idea grow. Did you that Rene Levesques was before a federal minister, and Bouchard?? Now the west start to wake up, for different reason then us want decentralisation of the power in Canada is that a special treatment????
"quote" There are many distinct cultures within canada that speak their own language, and yet Quebec is the only one that seems to need laws and special teatment to keep their culture.
Dont forget we are not immigrant here our ancestor (yours and mine) have create that country and write the constitution that we are not part of it still now. I'm living abroad now for 8 years and trust me i do not demand anything because i'm a guess here i respect there culture and there language but in Canada i'm HOME
BTW sorry for the bad writing i'm another uneducated idiots...?
Competitiveness alright lets start with that, as you know in that world of free trade we have create, Canada need to build a knowlege base society so I think if there is something we have to do with the language is to learn more not less dont you think?? If saving taxe for you mean more competitiveness try investing on education.
As for Switzerland I think the fact that nobody conquer anybody, or nobody think he is superior UPPER CANADA or have an inferiority complex LOWER CANADA, have help establish solid base when you do sit on a negociating table or write law.
When you say that we ask for special treatment show that you only take you info from some media because we DONT. What we want is for you to realise that because of our cultural differance we have different priority, goals, or way of doing things. Why will a bureaucrat in ottawa should decide the way we want to finance a project or something?? Our federalism as it is now is a big failure.
For years before Levesque's first referandum, we have fought for liberalism. But the people in Ottawa did **** all. It's because of those failure that the separatism idea grow. Did you that Rene Levesques was before a federal minister, and Bouchard?? Now the west start to wake up, for different reason then us want decentralisation of the power in Canada is that a special treatment????
"quote" There are many distinct cultures within canada that speak their own language, and yet Quebec is the only one that seems to need laws and special teatment to keep their culture.
Dont forget we are not immigrant here our ancestor (yours and mine) have create that country and write the constitution that we are not part of it still now. I'm living abroad now for 8 years and trust me i do not demand anything because i'm a guess here i respect there culture and there language but in Canada i'm HOME
BTW sorry for the bad writing i'm another uneducated idiots...?
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They had their attachment with France until they were conquered...
Hey, I work with alot of Quebecers and enjoy their opinions and company. They are proud of their heritage, as they should be, and all believe without (almost) exception that Quebec and Canada are stronger with each other than not. However, if you think of Canada and as a family and the provinces as kids, then Quebec comes across as the spoilt sister who complains a lot. Complaining is their right but it does get old and the rest of the family eventually stops listening because all that is put forward are complaints and not solutions.
Anyway I like Quebec especially the women and the night clubs in Montreal.
I grew up in Anglo Montreal and now live in the States.
One of my biggest shocks was going to Germany after high school and heading to the local high school hop.
They served beer at the dance! They other shock was every kid in the room spoke German, French and English. I was embarrassed that they spoke better French and English than my French alone. The standard expectation was you come from Canada, why don't you speak French fluently?
The future is knowledge based industry and learning languages is a big part of that. It is as much for the attitude it brings than the specific skills. The sad thing is so many in Quebec and Canada have some perverse hairy chested pride in being a mono lang. Dumb and dumber. This is an attitude in the states as well. It is already biting the americans very big time. The days of speaking English only as being OK are already over. Sure every one else learns English but you show your limitations when you are English only. You just look dumb and believe me many Canadians don't come across better than Americans on this one.
As for the oh so smart Albertans, yea you were really brilliant for laying down all that oil but it will run out. I seem to remember an awfull lot of federal policies that were drafted around protecting western farmers. Try looking up Crows nest pass rates for a start.
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One of my biggest shocks was going to Germany after high school and heading to the local high school hop.
They served beer at the dance! They other shock was every kid in the room spoke German, French and English. I was embarrassed that they spoke better French and English than my French alone. The standard expectation was you come from Canada, why don't you speak French fluently?
The future is knowledge based industry and learning languages is a big part of that. It is as much for the attitude it brings than the specific skills. The sad thing is so many in Quebec and Canada have some perverse hairy chested pride in being a mono lang. Dumb and dumber. This is an attitude in the states as well. It is already biting the americans very big time. The days of speaking English only as being OK are already over. Sure every one else learns English but you show your limitations when you are English only. You just look dumb and believe me many Canadians don't come across better than Americans on this one.
As for the oh so smart Albertans, yea you were really brilliant for laying down all that oil but it will run out. I seem to remember an awfull lot of federal policies that were drafted around protecting western farmers. Try looking up Crows nest pass rates for a start.
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I must say I have enjoyed reading this thread and the perspectives it has given me in comparison to my own.
I have been flying to Montreal from my base here in Texas nearly every month for over 6 years. Initially I was somewhat apprehensive of the culture and language. With my southern Texas accent I assumed that the locals would not be very tolerant of my kind. I couldn't have been more wrong. A great city with great people. Now can someone tell what tabernak means?
I have been flying to Montreal from my base here in Texas nearly every month for over 6 years. Initially I was somewhat apprehensive of the culture and language. With my southern Texas accent I assumed that the locals would not be very tolerant of my kind. I couldn't have been more wrong. A great city with great people. Now can someone tell what tabernak means?
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Now can someone tell what tabernak means?
"Tarbarnak/tarbernak/tabarnacle", is actually slanged "tabernacle" which refers to the Tabernacle in which the reserved Eucharist is kept in a Roman Catholic Church.
You'll come across some others, like "câlisse" which is "calice" which is the chalice for the communion wine, "ciboire" which is the ciborium, "Hostie" which is the Host, "sacrament", which is what it says, "Chrissse", which of course is equivalent to the anglo JC.
Of course we do share a few in common with you. "Merde" (sh!t) comes to mind, and as with you, often the famous last word on the CVR just before the impact...
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Ha Ha thanks for that, I spilled my coffee laughing. Oh, along with that they had their own religion too? Yep I don't think there is a Roman Catholic outside of Quebec.
Canadian history! It starts before the british came here!
Chapter 1:
There was a colony that scretched from the atlantic provinces, to the great lakes & down towards the midwest.
It was called New-France.......woooooooooowwww
Chapter 2:
War between the England & France in the mid 18th century. Britian sends a large naval force to the colonies.
Although the French colony was smaller, they were kicking ass. This changed in 1759 on the plains of Abraham, when general Wolfe defeated the stupid Montcalm. 1763, the Treaty of Paris. New france officialy becomes a british colony!
Now do you see how they are a conquered people! Or is the material too hard for you to comprehend?
& yes they kept their religion! Remember that in 1759, the English were all protestant & the French were Catholic.
If you were smart, you would of been able to comprehend the fact that you cannot compare todays religious standing in Canada versus the mid 18th century.
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Beech, thank you sir! As I am Catholic myself I found that very informative. Not many of us Catholics down here in the southern part of the US, home turf of the Southern Baptist. Now I will go back to drinking my ice water since I gave up all soda's for lent. Cheers!
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Beech, thank you sir! As I am Catholic myself I found that very informative. Not many of us Catholics down here in the southern part of the US, home turf of the Southern Baptist. Now I will go back to drinking my ice water since I gave up all soda's for lent. Cheers!
I'm probably one of the few pilots that sings Gregorian Chant in a choir...
Say a prayer for me, tomorrow is my medical.
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Tintin quote:
"Africa everywhere I have been english apart some country of the Margreb".
...at which you can only add:
Senegal, Mali, Chad, Cameroon, Gabon, the 2 Congo's, Togo, Ivory coast, Mauritania, Niger, Burkina Faso, Central African Republic, Madagascar, Comoros, Djibouti, Benin.
...just for info!
Cheers to my friends from "quelques arpents de neige".
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"Africa everywhere I have been english apart some country of the Margreb".
...at which you can only add:
Senegal, Mali, Chad, Cameroon, Gabon, the 2 Congo's, Togo, Ivory coast, Mauritania, Niger, Burkina Faso, Central African Republic, Madagascar, Comoros, Djibouti, Benin.
...just for info!
Cheers to my friends from "quelques arpents de neige".
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Back to the subject.
Into more and more airspaces we now use CPDLC/ADS instead of voice. When on "CPDLC" I have no information on other traffic, unless the ATCO decides it would be necessary for me to know. Situation awareness? What language the ATCO speaks at work.....I don't really care.
When there's a multitude of frequencies for different phases of approach/departure (App. control, Director, Tower freq. for left rwy different than twr freq. for right rwy...etc.etc). You can have an airplane anywhere around you on a different channel. Situation awareness.....Ya right!
Into more and more airspaces we now use CPDLC/ADS instead of voice. When on "CPDLC" I have no information on other traffic, unless the ATCO decides it would be necessary for me to know. Situation awareness? What language the ATCO speaks at work.....I don't really care.
When there's a multitude of frequencies for different phases of approach/departure (App. control, Director, Tower freq. for left rwy different than twr freq. for right rwy...etc.etc). You can have an airplane anywhere around you on a different channel. Situation awareness.....Ya right!