Service was fine on the last LGW long haul flight I took too, so it can't be down to crew numbers. Interestingly I remember operating a rammed shorthaul flight (those were the days) and expecting the crew to struggle to complete service in time. Imagine my surprise when they were all wrapped up with time to spare and still managed to call us every 20 mins regular as clockwork. Turns out 3 of the 4 crew were ex-Concorde and used to working fast whilst delivering premium service. Perhaps we need more of them in the cabin, and those who find it foo arduous should perhaps look for a more sedentary role in life?

So what's a bassa member to do?
 

Should I stay, or should I go-go?

Stay a member and hope that my NO STRIKE vote (as it looks that it'll be coming to that) add's up with all the others to finally end the tyranical hold of bassa on BA?

OR

Resign now and just get-on with it?

Gg: if you read this - just want to reassure you that you won't be alone working flights if it does come to a strike.

Torc and GG maybe you can form a breakaway union? You can call it ":mad:" or ":mad:"? For every one of you there are a 100 who will do the right thing.

This isn't about me being militant its about me just wanting WW to compromise. Personally I can't wait for next week and the following few weeks. And if BA goes under so be it.

And by the way XYZ I do have a problem with you and I won't be sending you a private message - I would rather say what I have to say to you in the open.

SP

A touch of the Hare and Tortoise there.

Deltaguy

Hmm.. more like the otherway round if previous strikes by CC are anything to go by.

Judging by the comments on this thread by CC, they would not back up your statement.




Lets face it, this has been brewing for awhile. BASSA are so cocksure of themselves. Do you think WW isn't prepared for a strike by CC? He has had months to prepare contingencies.

Despite the slight softening of tone from WW yesterday he is ready for battle and there will be a lot of bloodshed .......

PS You'll be pleased to hear that I have logged out of pprune for the last time. Not coming back to read a load of !!!!e from anti-BA tossers.

Is there any need to throw the toys out of the pram when you find that (shock!) other people hold different views than yourself?!

SP, the Government will not save BA.

Do you not remember last December? Woolworths shut down last December, with the permanent loss of 813 stores and 30000 staff.

No bail out, no help, and no Woolworths.

I think SP's last post has revealed BASSA's delusional thinking.

This is not just about short term savings. The cost implications of the change in CC contracts is, indeed, for the short term. The long term view however is for the status of BA as an investment opportunity thus leading to the generation of funds that will enable fleet rotation, route exploration and product enhancement.

The word in the city is that BA is an investment opportunity IF, and it is a very big IF it can rid itself of the militant, unionistic shackles that have caused it so much grief in the past. The fight that is brewing is for the future plans of BA whilst achieving the required short term savings at the same time. The company simply cannot have unions issuing strike ballots for a tick list of 12 different things and then causing £100 million of disruption the company could just about afford it then but what about the future? It is high time we rid BA of unions that disagree with everything the company says at the drop of a hat, negotiation is fine but when have BASSA ever negotiated? It has always been BASSA imposition. Now the boot is on the companies foot and suddenly BASSA don't like or accept imposition.

Trust me WW will not let this opportunity slip. You claim he is ineffective, I would beg to differ, I think he is playing a very high stakes game and I think as we move to the end game, he will win. He will have a contingency plan in place. I think also that the city is waiting for the result as well and have alot of faith in WW. If it goes the right way for BA and we have a less militant workforce on fixed contracts with industry standard salaries then the investment will come. BA has always been a profitable concern hence an investment opportunity, albeit a long term one. If not then I think we will be tipped over the edge to the Abyss.

As for the managers? If you were to bother to look at management contracts around London you will find that they are all roughly the same. They are performance based contracts leading to a slightly lower basic pay for the position with performance related bonuses. Work hard, do well for the company and you are rewarded. Don't do well and the contract goes. High stakes for high pay. I don't begrudge the managers their contracts, I have been in a similar position (not for the airlines) in the past and I hated it. Lots of pressure and rubbish paperwork and deadlines. Believe me they earn their money in a pressure environment far divorced from the nice work environment we all enjoy on the aircraft.

They have agreed no bonuses for two years. That is their addition. In the future though they will return to their bonus driven contracts in line with the rest of their peer group.

Where do the CC stand within their peer group? Hmmm, somewhat above! Welcome to the short sharp economic correction followed by the long drawn out growth period.

6 days.

Andy. You do not know. Why would you say otherwise? What have got to gain by not supporting your union and throwing yourself at the mercy of Walsh. Nothing. Why don't you go on a QF cabin crew forum and ask them what they think of Geoff Dixon. Look what happened to them because they did not have a strong union?

The huge majority of BA cabin crew avoid this forum and this thread in particular because the few cabin crew who post here are completely unrepresentative. They are mavericks with nothing to say but stab their colleagues in the back, although of course, if a good deal is worked out they will take it.

Walsh's last missive is very interesting because there is a change of tone. If any of you here were BA staff you would have read it, as it is in your ESS mail. So perhaps a compromise may be available. Walsh is tough and the union has got to make him believe that if he does impose change, the button will be pushed. What some people here fail to realise is that if you are not united behind your union, the chance of a strike is actually increased as Walsh may think that there is a split. If a walk out is assured 100%, then he is more likely to negotiate.

This is why BALPA were so relieved to get a deal, as they know the pilots had no stomach for a fight. Even if the OpenSkies contracts had been pulled out the drawer and laid before them, it would have been inconceivable that they would take any sort of industrial action.Their settlement was purely political to get them onside and as you can see on this thread, they are trying to get everyone else to roll over, as a cabin crew or GSS strike may spoil their summer barbecue plans. What is so funny is that the Flight Crew don't see it that way, they think it was a victory for "intelligent negotiating" which found an "elegant solution". It is laughable.

Wobble. All the problems that BA has had in the last few years is nothing to do with alleged "militant unions". It has been managerial cock ups which I do not need to list again here. Investment will come to BA when there is a change of management. These are the people who have cost BA hundreds of millions and undermined its prestige. It is the employees of those so called "militant unions" who have worked so hard in the face of angry customers, to put things right and get T5 working as it should. Now our reward is to have our T&C's slashed. NO way.

Stall Pusher,

You have held up your rickety ivory tower for so long you've got your head in the clouds.

The adjustment for CC is going to be painful. I really do feel for those who have said that they have become used to the current wage and it will be difficult to re-adjust.

BA CC, for all their worth, are not worth what they are being paid in todays environment. A quick benchmark check will clarify that.

As to:
What is laughable is that once again the Flight Crew have taken external advice (PriceWaterhouseCoopers), have a good clear oversight of the problems, held meetings and forums with the business leaders and ALL members have had the opportunity to quiz both BALPA and BA on the current situation. At the end of this 3-4 month process we have come up with a level headed solution to a major problem.

What has BASSA's approach been? As usual an emotion driven rant that 'it's not all as bad as that' and 'WW is the devil incarnate and wants to rob us of money' followed by 'temporary pain, temporary measures' without once bothering to actually assess the situation fully and carefully. Very little communication with its members, whom BASSA expect to follow their lemming like lead without question. 'We know what's best for you! (as long as you are long haul, senior crew, living abroad)'.

The economic situation is real, the forward bookings are down, yield is through the floor and there is no relief in sight. APD is going up, travel plans and mentality have changed, fuel price is on the way back up and still, still you can't see a problem? The scene is set and now you come up with:

This is exactly the 'gun to the head' approach that has caused BASSA to be so reviled in the past. Public opinion is dead set against BASSA. The company will have a legal contingency plan in force for your 100% strike. It will be deemed illegal and sacking will occur. Add to that SOSR in the following tribunal and you have a real and dangerous job loss scenario. Still you wish to push for 100% strike vote.

Go for it, I don't mind watching a door on a flight for a few weeks.

Yes alot of the financial grief was cause by bad and difficult management decisions. They paid for that with their jobs. The investment community view that sort of thing a 'temporary' glitches with immediate solutions. The constant, overriding threat of union action is a totally different scenario, there is little rhyme or reason to some actions. Strike action over 'ingrowing toenails'? Diversion disruption? etc. etc. etc.

Every time there is a proposed change within the workforce we hit this wall. Time to change.

Stall Pusher (and others), I hope that you have a back up plan for paying the bills after the demise of BA.

Let's assume BA cave in (highly unlikely IMHO) then we are at the will of the market, the city won't lend us money or support a rights issue based on us being in financial difficulties - would you put your savings into BA shares right now?? BA is finished.

Scenario 2, BASSA call a strike and we all have a few enforced days off. BA declare bankruptcy. BA is finished.

Scenario 3, BASSA call a strike but the support from CC crumbles after a couple of days, BA only allows crew to return to work on New Contracts. BASSA is finished.

Scenario 4, BASSA call a strike and the day before the phone lines at BA are red hot with crew calling in sick (a spineless act IMHO).

Scenario 5, BASSA get humiliated again (like last time) when negotiators from Unite tell them that they are behaving like children. BASSA is finished.

The way I see it, if BA win then you'll probably be looking for another job because you won't be able to stomach the revised T&Cs (those imposed by BA rather than negotiated by BASSA). Alternatively, BASSA win and we'll all be on the dole after insolvency.

It staggers me to say that you still can't see that you are being taken up the creek by BASSA, and they've forgotten to pack the paddle :ugh:

There will not be an illegal strike and therefore no sackings. Why do you assume that? Stop scaremongering and telling untruths. The "gun to the head" approach is exactly what Walsh is doing. Get it right!

Walsh has got form. He is a cost cutter, that's it. Instead of spending all your time attacking cabin crew on this forum Wobble, why don't you look into why Walsh has failed to close the deal on Iberia? Why has he persisted so long with OS, when he is telling everyone the premium market will not recover?

I could go on, but BA cannot afford Walsh. The reason why the share price is so low is because the market has a lack of confidence in HIM! Even Stelios criticised his work for free gaff. Unbelievable.

If there is to be a reform of T&C's, it cannot happen in one go. Although the Single Fleet is still an ambition of the LT, for the moment the survival of the company is paramount. Unions are all about protecting jobs and T&C's, not destroying them. Let's see how good BALPA is when Walsh turns to you again as he surely will.

Flap 33. Where is the scenario that there is an agreement and no industrial action takes place. Why have you missed that one out?

SP, the BALPA deal is done. Get over it. Whether you feel it is a good or bad deal is totally irrelevant.

Illegal strike? Possibly not. However, if strike action leads to a possible threat to the stability of the business, which, let's face it WW has been harping on about, is a distinct possibility then the ability to sack workers under SOSR has been well discussed here.

No scaremongering, no untruths just the ability to present the scenario as it could, possibly, pan out. Why haven't BASSA warned their members of this possibility? At the last strike NONE of the crew were aware that they could be dismissed over strike action. Okay they might get a punitive payout at the subsequent industrial tribunal but they would still be without a job. Surely it is the responsibility of a union to present ALL possible outcomes to their membership before issuing what could possibly be a terminal strike ballot. Does BASSA value it's members so little that they will not warn them of the possibility of failure and its consequences. Doesn't sound like a particularly membership protective organisation to me.

This time BA has the I's dotted and the T's crossed. They are ready for the usual BASSA rant.

Sadly, as most other departments have taken the supposed 'roll over and give in' approach we will just sit back and watch. Expect no sympathy as the opportunity has been squandered.

As to:

we shall see what we shall see. At the least the company might still be there to see that bridge crossed.

WAR is the preserve of those who fail at diplomacy and is always an ugly solution.

Hey SP. I have said it before, and sadly I will say it again. Walsh is the incument CEO. Get used to it.

I got back on Sunday. It was an interesting trip. CSD, very pro BASSA, right from the get-go at the briefing.............hours later much quiet comment in the galleys..........."what are you going to do?"......."can you afford a strike?"..........."I need this job!!"............"I can't become unemployed"....etc.

The resolve is not as strong as you make out.

So, SP, 2 simple questions. How long (in actual days) are you prepared to stay on strike for? How long can you afford (in actual days) to stay on strike for?

It's the same with crew who believe that if WW is replaced things will go back to normal. A new CEO would leave our terms and conditiond. There would be no recession or financial crisis. Bookings would go back to normal. Everything would be as normal!

Why can't it be in one go? BASSA have had the opportunity to resolve issues over the past 10 years. It has steadfastly refused to do so hence you find yourselves in the position you are in now. Other groups have taken the 'bit at a time' approach, or the 'roll over and take' as you seem to like to put, hence we have less of a painful fall. Or, once again as you like to put it, a 'sweetheart' deal. Which of course it is nothing of the sort just the result of years of pragmatic decision making instead of dogmatic refusal.

Cause and effect my dear SP.

Well there won't be a legal strike either! BASSA have already been caught fibbing to their members about the pilots deal, how do you think that will go down at the High Court when BA are trying to demonstrate how unreasonable BASSA have been? There probably won't be a sick-out either, as BA can quite legally announce anyone going sick over designated days will lose staff travel for a year. Besides, the current talks have a facility to escalate discussions to Tony McCarthy and the full time Unite reps. My money is on is on that happening next week and BASSA being bypassed completely. Unite know they can't contemplate a strike in the current climate.

Thats what this company needs.

Because we all know why? Caja Madrid are uneasy about Iberia being taken over by a foreign company and Iberia are worried we'll nick all their cash and put it in our pension fund. Which we will.

[quote]I could go on, but BA cannot afford Walsh. The reason why the share price is so low is because the market has a lack of confidence in HIM![quote]

Share price has been between £1.11 and £1.85 in the last few months. Maybe people have more confidence in him than you think. You can repeat the "people don't trust Walsh" mantra all you like, but it won't make it true. Personalising the argument won't make it go away.

I'm afraid it's your union thats driven the timings. By refusing to reform for years you now have to face a large step change. Nobody else in the company will support you getting off lightly when everybody else has had to change for years.

I wonder how many crew are currently wishing CC89 were still around?

It is obvious that crew have got concerns, people are worried. No one wants a strike of course.

Why don't you come along to the union meeting Andy and express the views you hold have there? I am sure they will be welcome.

Just to add that what Walsh wants from the cabin crew community is more than all the other departments put together. The divide looks unsurmountable. It is not looking good.

Well Carnage. There is still AMICUS 89. I am surprised that the cabin crew here do not belong to it.

Really? I have met who do want to strike more than anything else. They have also expressed this extremelly verbally in the galley. Read also some of the comments on CF and you will understand that there actually are crew wanting to strike.

See my previous post!

Insurmountable SP, Insurmountable, unsurmountable isn't a proper word. Typing issue again, the keys are next to each other. :ok:

SP #1120
 

"BA is competitive on EU routes price wise and offers a free bar and food as well.

Aer Lingus should have stayed a full service airline selling itself on the quality of its product and the professionalism of its crews"

Oh SP, SP, SP, I really don't think you understand air travel dynamics at all. Actually, one or two of your BA colleagues who don't agree with you also make the same mistakes to be fair.

Let me tell you why we, the passengers, get on planes. We do so because we have to (business) or want to (leisure) get to B from A. There are only two key determinants of whether we buy a ticket from airline X or Y: price, and convenience (arrival time, additional time to get from the plane to ultimate destination).

To use your Aer Lingus example, Aer Lingus' full service involved charging £250 for a return between London and Dublin. Ryanair came along and reduced it to under £50, thereby pricing Aer Lingus food/drink (the only differentiator at first) at £100 per flight. I can get far better food in good London/Dublin restaurants than I ever got off Aer Lingus for that price.

Incidentally, I find the concentration on the food/drink service laughable. Am I really meant to value a cr@ppy tray that's impossible to eat off in the middle seat in turbulence when you won't serve me coffee anyway? Have you ever been to a restaurant that doesn't serve/stops serving because it's windy outside? "Free" food/drink, which in reality is grossly overpriced in your tickets, is probably the least valued part of the package.

Airlines are just glorified bus companies and need to price their service on this basis. Some passengers will pay for comfort on long flights, but few of us care about the gimmicks. For instance, does BA have any stats on actual usage of the AV system in premium cabins? All I ever see is people asleep. I reckon the only reason the AV is there is so CC don't have to do the safety announcement pre-flight. Scrap it and cut fares. Same with all the guff we get on premium cabin food: the committees of renowned chefs that "design" your menus get paid out of my fares. I'd rather have the cheaper fare thanks.

There's a reason why Ryanair has grown so quickly. They worked out what passengers really wanted far faster than the likes of BA did. BA is having to follow Ryanair, not the other way round.

JayPee28bpr,

Whilst I agree with many of your sentiments I have to say that the BA ticket pricing, especially in Short Haul is competitive depending upon what the passenger wishes.

For example, booking extremely early with a Low Cost Carrier will earn you the cheap seat. However, depending upon how you wish to travel and with what can make the same ticket more expensive than with BA.

Generally BA fares are more upfront than some LoCo's but, if you are travelling light, can do internet checking, aren't paying with a credit card, can face not eating airline food (and lets face who can!) and can put up with arriving a ways off from your actual destination then the LoCo's can win. this has been proven by various articles in the national press where BA actually worked out to be the cheaper deal, again dependant upon how you travel. Also T5 does seem also to buck the trend at Heathrow by making it almost pleasant. (until you get the infamous ATC delays but they affect all carriers!)

Horses for courses really and the BA brand needs to evolve to cater for the new market. Failure to do so could lead to extinction. Sadly some members of the company fail to see that.

You might want to take a look at the Flyertalk forums to see what BAs regular flyers think of the food and entertaintment offerings on board. Whole threads devoted to which champagne is on board, or withering complaints about the IFE. I'm not sure your analysis is entirely correct JP. For point to point traffic perhaps for the independent buyer then yes it is, but BA makes the majority of profits from corporate contract customers, for whom price is an issue but also service, recognition, priority booking and myriad other factors. Deals can be swung on the basis of how many gold cards the company execs will be granted. If BA followed Ryanair we'd go under, it's not our market. I like to use an analogy with the car industry. Skoda make perfectly good, cheap, accessible cars with few frills and they sell extremely well. But BMW and Mercedes make expensive cars and they sell very well too. Why? Because the market is not homogenous, it's not one type of customer who values price over service, or service over price, or convenience over reliability, or anything else. It's a big, diverse marketplace, and there are lots of people who would rather pay the money and fly on bmi or BA or Lufthansa than Ryanair. I know I do. It's a popular misconception that Ryanair have stolen their market from the the traditional airlines. They haven't. What they have done is far more clever, they have created a new market from scratch from those who couldn't afford to fly previously. Yes, they've pinched a small proportion of customers from the majors, but Ryanair won't be the death of BA. Even Michael O'Leary doesn't think that.

SP................"come along to the union meeting and and express the views you hold have there? I am sure they will be welcome."

........um I dont think the views would be very welcome at all!!

And oce again SP, I ask 2 simple questions:

How long (in actual days) are you prepared to stay on strike for? How long can you afford (in actual days) to stay on strike for?

Wobble #1144
 

Agree with your points on BA pricing. I actually think Ryanair has served its purpose now. All airlines have reduced fares and adopted a more "high volume low margin" model, certainly in SH. I don't actually like Ryanair and seek to avoid using them! That's down to them ripping me off a couple of times. I see their latest one is that they're not going to accept checked baggage anymore. Hand luggage only from next Spring. Not sure if this is serious or another publicity gimmick like the coin slot on the toilets!

Yes Wobble. Finger trouble. However:

unsurmountable definition | Dictionary.com

But you can have undisputable or indisputable.

Of course you would be welcome Andy.

Carnage. Thank you:

"Yes, they've pinched a small proportion of customers from the majors, but Ryanair won't be the death of BA. Even Michael O'Leary doesn't think that."

This is exactly the reason why Aer Lingus should not have gone Lo Co. Another monumental blunder by Walsh.

By the way, if Walsh had got his way with a management buyout of Aer Lingus, what are the odds he would have immediately sold out to MOL? I think he was rumbled by Bertie Ahern.

I think the European Commission would have had plenty to say about that.

Carnage #1145
 

Sorry, but I now really can't believe you're not in BA Marketing!!!

I know what you're saying. My views/needs differ depending on who is paying the fare! For leisure, I do want the comfort and will pay the price for that, but aren't that fussed about the gimmicks, flexible tickets etc. Whilst I like the good food/wine, I'd trade it for a lower fare. My partner does like the AV if I'm honest. I spend a fortune paying for a comfy bed for her and she still can't sleep!!! So she watches every film there is.

On business it's a bit different. Maxing out is the name of the game, really out of boredom more than anything.

That's the rub, just enough to keep the other half in films during the flight whilst not breaking your bank.

I personally think Unite will dive in before it gets really critical. They're just waiting to see how far BASSA can take it before reigning them in. They can't do it too early as they don't want to be seen to give BA management an easy ride.

I've not heard much from Amicus on all this. It should create an interesting balance as they're both part of Unite.

Not marketing, but I do know someone in sales! It's a complex business and not one that lends itself to short analysis on this forum. Always worth bearing in mind that a lot of people are travelling on bulk discounted corporate deals. There's often little to distinguish between the fares at a corporate level, and absolutely nothing to the individual who isn't paying for the ticket, so product differentiation is the key to getting the bums on seats in that scenario. Some people don't like the fringe benefits, such as yourself, others do, such as your partner. The research suggests the IFE is important enough to be used as a selling point, which Virgin and Singapore certainly used to do and Emirates does today.

As an interesting insight into the market, BAs World Traveller Plus fares used to be almost double the equivalent World Traveller fare, and the only product differentiation was a bigger seat in a smaller cabin, yet it was as extremely successful proposition and was filled with people paying their own money rather than business travellers. Some people still want to travel in style!

Now getting back to the original thread, I believe BASSA have now had a look at what BA want from them (probably had it a long time ago but saved the announcement for theatrical effect) and they're not happy. Thats what imposition is going to look like folks. At best. If the management don't heap some more pain on top as the price of going to war. Think you can meet those demands in 6 days?

SP

Are you sure?

WW is happy with the offer to CC as it meets his needs.

He must be rubbing his hands with glee that if the CC go on strike he can force the situation and at the end of the day he gets an even better deal (ie make 2000 redundant and bring in mixed EF/WW crews).

Of course BASSA could try and salvage the situation, a U turn, save some face, negotiate the best possible deal, knowing that it won't be the one they are after but will ensure that most of their members will have jobs.

As it stands BASSA do not want to do this. It is all about brinkmanship but this time BASSA are only holding a hand of 2s while WW has all the aces.

Will commonsense prevail? I won't volunteer to hold my breath. I just feel sorry for those of you in BASSA that will realise some time after the event that it was all to do with union politics and ego trips.

We had the same thing in engineering in 1977. Since then my union, UNITE (then the AUEW), is treated with derision by engineers in BA. BASSA is going the same way, albeit 30 odd years down the line!

The latest from BASSA

What kind of halfwit union comes out with "we've seen the proposals, we dont like them, but we're not going to tell you what they are until 6 days after some worse ones have been imposed on you and 2000 of your members have had redundancy notices"?

Cant beat consulting the membership when you've left nothing to consult.

Hmmmm so will my Union have made substantial progress by the deadline of 30 June?

It looks like NO.

So if the usual die-hards all attend on the 6th, they will get to vote themselves out of Voluntary Redundancies, if the offer isnt withdrawn and Compulsory Redundancies imposed on 30 June.

So, SP, how much have you got saved? I am ok, I will be going to work across your picket line.

Lizanne Malone, you are a disgrace.

What a bunch of complete ........!

If the demands are so mind bogglingly disbelievable and bound to make them angry it must surely be better for the union to divulge them to the membership now and as a consequence bolster the resolve of the BASSA members and re-enforce their power.

The alternative is that BA impose their will on CC on 30th June.

BASSA can have as many meetings as they want and draft in as many of their lunatic membership to Kempton Park to make it appear that everybody supports them. Until they tell their members everything and ballot everybody properly they're just talking out of their proverbial behinds.

Means: Everyone else can do the cost saving as long as we are not affected.

Means: We have managed to put this off for so many years now by bullying the company with IA that the fall is going to hit really, really, really hard. Good idiom: If you continually put off the service on your car, when you eventually get it done the bill is going to be huge!

Means: Oooops! We've left this one too late again and the management aren't falling for our normal bluster! Looks like we might actually need to negotiate some give (what does that word mean again?) and take. Hang on until the 6th while we try and figure out how to do it?

Means: We've screwed up! Perhaps if we BASSA had bothered to listen to other unions in the first place we could have prevented this but now we can't so, over to you, the membership.

Means: After the deadline so we can tell you what the company are going to impose as we were too incompetent to negotiate on your behalf.



To be honest surely BASSA should have seen this coming? This thread alone is the third on Project Columbus is it not? The rumours were abound over a year ago.

CC you have been right royally shafted and sold down the river by your 'representatives' and I use the term loosely as I am aware the BASSA doesn't seem to represent the views of that many CC any more.

Quite what should be discussed at Kempton on the 6th is beyond me as the deadline for discussion is past. Amazing that no details about your future, or the 'nitty gritty' can be discussed outside of fortress BASSA until your ability to influence it is gone? Representation of members? I think not.

SP I'm sure will have a different spin.

I am gobsmacked by this latest from Bassa, but I'm not surprised at all.

I'm sure the Bassa die-hards will keep to the mantra "trust your reps", but how members could possibly trust them is beyond me. I lost trust in them a long time ago and went elsewhere.

I'd like to ask SP (and similar posters):

Do you have enough money saved to tide you over in case you lose your job (whether legal or not)?

For the other posters, I've just had a look at CF and it's quite amazing, really. There is a specific thread there about this forum, and this thread, and ALL posters on that thread are saying we're stupid, disillusioned and out to get them. They're also saying that SP is doing a great job making us look foolish (!). It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

I've thought about posting there, but I'm still working on the script. Could get interesting. Wonder how quickly I'd get banned for not following the rest of the sheep?

Gg

More like lemmings GG.

Especially when you think about the thread starter, QP (also a member on here but won't mention the username), previously worked at LGW WW himself and "did a runner" to LHR WW when SFG was introduced. Also amusing when you think about this character who insisted on bringing back the report time, which they did until BASSA found out about it, in HKG because QP wanted to be on the first flight into T5 to have their photograph taken.

I'm tempted myself but will probably be banned for life for saying anything that goes against the stream.

I seem to be a lone voice here. Not surprisingly.

I will come back in a month or so when things have worked themselves out. You can now all agree with each other.:confused:

I think BA's cabin crew should be flattered that you all take such an active interest in our union.:D

Will Walsh get his way and people like Andy, Nuigini and GG lose about £3,000 a year, although they appear happy to make that sacrifice. Just remember that Walsh threatened Aer Lingus employees in 2002 with the same doom and gloom after 9/11 and then in the financial year ending in 2004, went onto make a record profit of Euros U$137 million or E107 million.

If you do not learn by that example of Walsh's mendacious antics, prepare yourselves to be shafted royally.:ugh:

Over and out.

SP