How is it on BA Mixed Fleet, are you enjoying it?
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£29,000 is what they expect you to earn with the hourly elapsed payments of 2.40 ph and with the bonus.
If you re read it does not say basic of £29,000. It says package of £29,000 which includes everything but of course it is their estimate, it could be more or less depending on your bonus and what roster you operate. If you look at FT rewards page it explains it more clearly.
Superllama,
I doubt 6 months experience would be enough for Future Talent but you could give it a go, just tick the box to say you would take CC if you were not sucessful as FT.
£29,000 is what they expect you to earn with the hourly elapsed payments of 2.40 ph and with the bonus.
If you re read it does not say basic of £29,000. It says package of £29,000 which includes everything but of course it is their estimate, it could be more or less depending on your bonus and what roster you operate. If you look at FT rewards page it explains it more clearly.
Superllama,
I doubt 6 months experience would be enough for Future Talent but you could give it a go, just tick the box to say you would take CC if you were not sucessful as FT.
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For CSM expect around £1500-1600 a month, depending on your trips. Some months will be more, others less.
It's pretty much on a level with what existing BA shorthaul crew earn (non-Mixed Fleet).
It's pretty much on a level with what existing BA shorthaul crew earn (non-Mixed Fleet).
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Whats a CSM roster like?
Can anyone tell me how the bidding works, My partner works for a different airline with a 6-3 pattern, would I be able to plan my days off around theirs with this bidding system?
Can anyone tell me how the bidding works, My partner works for a different airline with a 6-3 pattern, would I be able to plan my days off around theirs with this bidding system?
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I was excited to join Mixed Fleet...
Before I read some of the posts in this thread!! haha. I'm starting at MF on the 10th of March, and it really is a huge leap of faith... I live in Jersey so need to move to London, I'm on about £1600 at my current airline, love the people I work with, but the route's are extremely monotonous- this is why I decided to join MF.
Can any current Mixed Fleeters tell me how much they are enjoying it and give me some decent reasons to leave my comfortable position!?
Many Thanks, James
Can any current Mixed Fleeters tell me how much they are enjoying it and give me some decent reasons to leave my comfortable position!?
Many Thanks, James
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A basic salary in the UK of £29000, after tax and NI etc will pay about £1779.52 depending on personal circumstances. Also the hourly rate is not taxed to the same extent as basic salary, so £1700-£1900 should be a realistic figure for a full months work.
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Firstly the basic is £24,000 not £29,000. £29,000 is the total package including flight pay for the CSM the most senior crew member, who also doubles as a manager to a team of main crew.
Secondly this thread was set up to find out how people on Mixed Fleet are enjoying the fleet and the experience, not to discuss their sallary.
Secondly this thread was set up to find out how people on Mixed Fleet are enjoying the fleet and the experience, not to discuss their sallary.
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James let's now focus on the positives - rapid promotion compared to existing BA fleets, new and interesting destinations on the radar - Tokyo, Mauritius, Nairobi - possibly San Diego and Buenos Aires though no decisions have been made on who will operate the last two.
The fleet will only grow, and BA have poured a lot of money and talent into this project, so you will have a lot of support.
The vast majority of crew i have flown with, whether CSM, FTC or Cabin Crew have been very easy to work with, and many like to go out downroute to sample a local beer if nothing else.
Bidding allows you to request days off a month in advance, as well as for certain types of work. Leave is very easy to request, and can be requested the day before, all subject to availability.
At the end of the day, we all make sacrifices in life and you really need to look at where you want to be in the future, not now.
The fleet will only grow, and BA have poured a lot of money and talent into this project, so you will have a lot of support.
The vast majority of crew i have flown with, whether CSM, FTC or Cabin Crew have been very easy to work with, and many like to go out downroute to sample a local beer if nothing else.
Bidding allows you to request days off a month in advance, as well as for certain types of work. Leave is very easy to request, and can be requested the day before, all subject to availability.
At the end of the day, we all make sacrifices in life and you really need to look at where you want to be in the future, not now.
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This thread was not set up for Bassa supporters to come on and have a go at Mixed Fleet crew.
It was set up to find out how Mixed Fleet are finding it, from Mixed Fleet crew like Smell the Coffee, their experiences and not how others think it is.
Just because Buenas Aries and San Diego ARE on the trip descriptions for World Wide Fleet does not mean they might not transfer over later in the year.
However looking at the list we were given with the agreements, they were not included, but who knows.
The trips that are going, unless BA change their mind are the Follows:-
Already gone or about to go=
Nairobi,
Denver,
Las Vegus,
Hanenda,
Mauritius,
Budapest,
Prague,
Kiev,
St. Petersburg.
Schedualed to go in the future=
Abuja,
Dallas FW,
Luanda,
Atlanta,
Chicago,
Monteal,
Sofia,
Amsterdam,
Copenhagen,
Tripoli.
But others will come and go and trips will move backward and forward between the fleets if we believe what BA say.
It was set up to find out how Mixed Fleet are finding it, from Mixed Fleet crew like Smell the Coffee, their experiences and not how others think it is.
Just because Buenas Aries and San Diego ARE on the trip descriptions for World Wide Fleet does not mean they might not transfer over later in the year.
However looking at the list we were given with the agreements, they were not included, but who knows.
The trips that are going, unless BA change their mind are the Follows:-
Already gone or about to go=
Nairobi,
Denver,
Las Vegus,
Hanenda,
Mauritius,
Budapest,
Prague,
Kiev,
St. Petersburg.
Schedualed to go in the future=
Abuja,
Dallas FW,
Luanda,
Atlanta,
Chicago,
Monteal,
Sofia,
Amsterdam,
Copenhagen,
Tripoli.
But others will come and go and trips will move backward and forward between the fleets if we believe what BA say.
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Just to show you all the other side of the coin..
My friend who has joined MF from the holdpool is just about to finish their first full month of flying inc the longhaul. We sat down and worked out last night her take home after tax and pension will be £1222.
They come from a sales background and was absolutely delighted by it. She would have had to to do at least one days overtime to hit that in her previous job and she felt she hasn't worked anywhere near as hard. (I did do her bidding for her though
) Her housemate who is easyjet crew told me she is envious of her because although she can earn more she gets better perks and to travel and to do longhaul.
Word on the line is that most of the dissatisfaction on MF is coming from the ex temps??
My friend who has joined MF from the holdpool is just about to finish their first full month of flying inc the longhaul. We sat down and worked out last night her take home after tax and pension will be £1222.
They come from a sales background and was absolutely delighted by it. She would have had to to do at least one days overtime to hit that in her previous job and she felt she hasn't worked anywhere near as hard. (I did do her bidding for her though
) Her housemate who is easyjet crew told me she is envious of her because although she can earn more she gets better perks and to travel and to do longhaul. Word on the line is that most of the dissatisfaction on MF is coming from the ex temps??
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Pointingpilot,
I am glad your friend is enjoying it.
I think the bidding might be a bit of the problem but as you know on E/F it is the same system but we don't have to deal with time changes so having seen a couple of rosters I do hope it does get sorted because having worked on world wide and E/F, I know that the way you feel after a long haul duty is totally different, to how you feel after, even a very long day, a E/F duty.
Bill is just doing a blog and in the answer to the first question, he mentions he hopes it will all settle down for Mixed Fleet crew in time.
I am glad your friend is enjoying it.
I think the bidding might be a bit of the problem but as you know on E/F it is the same system but we don't have to deal with time changes so having seen a couple of rosters I do hope it does get sorted because having worked on world wide and E/F, I know that the way you feel after a long haul duty is totally different, to how you feel after, even a very long day, a E/F duty.
Bill is just doing a blog and in the answer to the first question, he mentions he hopes it will all settle down for Mixed Fleet crew in time.
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Word on the line is that most of the dissatisfaction on MF is coming from the ex temps??
There is also disquiet amongst some of the CSMs who feel they aren't being rewarded in proportion to their extra workload ... but that's a different story.
At the end of the day, I am sure things WILL improve on a number of levels - and there is no doubt that barring roster issues, which EVERYONE has had issues with, this job still suits a lot of people.
Not sure that I would currently recommend Mixed Fleet to those at other UK airlines - hopefully, given a year or two and with a more diverse mixture of routes and earning potential, that will change.
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Yeh, similar happened at LGW.
A lot of them left and then applied for Full time EF. Thats not available anymore. I really think the emphasis will have to be on roster flexibility in order for MF to succeed. Virgin can almost rewrite their rosters using their swap system talking to friends.
A lot of them left and then applied for Full time EF. Thats not available anymore. I really think the emphasis will have to be on roster flexibility in order for MF to succeed. Virgin can almost rewrite their rosters using their swap system talking to friends.
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Just got offered FTC program and now reading everything in the forum I am questioning a lot on what to do???
The whole experience seems good and interesting, however the pay seem really low which concerns me, I am going as I am really delighted to be part of something new with such a big airline, but on the other will i be this happy to do my job under the constant financial worries??? I don't know??
They say it take a min of a year to go up, would anyone believe this time might change for a shorter period due to the fact they seem to need more CSM???
anyone on mixed fleet on FTC and see already some changes,
Thanks so much,
Regards,
The whole experience seems good and interesting, however the pay seem really low which concerns me, I am going as I am really delighted to be part of something new with such a big airline, but on the other will i be this happy to do my job under the constant financial worries??? I don't know??
They say it take a min of a year to go up, would anyone believe this time might change for a shorter period due to the fact they seem to need more CSM???
anyone on mixed fleet on FTC and see already some changes,
Thanks so much,
Regards,
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I am just about to join MF. My only concern is that I will probably be one of the oldest on the course and my experience at my last airline in the UK was awful. Most of those nasty little females never let the 3 of us on the course (of 24) forget it. It colored all of my time at that airline. It was very shocking after moving to the UK to find that.
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It definitely wont be like that in BA on any of our fleets. People join of all ages and I have flown with a new entrant that was 53 years old and now people can be join up to 63 year if they meet the requirements of the interview.
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Latest route to go to Mixed fleet is Luanda in March.
From WW blue
From E/Fred
New black
November 2010 - Prague (PRG), Pisa (PSA), St Petersburg (LED)
December 2010 - Denver (DEN), Las Vegas (LAS)
January 2011 - Budapest (BUD), Nairobi (NBO)
February 2011 - Kiev (KBP), Tripoli (TIP), Mauritius (MRU) and Haneda*(HND)
March 2011 - Luanda (LAD)
So far BA have kept to the list in the appendix to the offer as they said they would.
From WW blue
From E/Fred
New black
November 2010 - Prague (PRG), Pisa (PSA), St Petersburg (LED)
December 2010 - Denver (DEN), Las Vegas (LAS)
January 2011 - Budapest (BUD), Nairobi (NBO)
February 2011 - Kiev (KBP), Tripoli (TIP), Mauritius (MRU) and Haneda*(HND)
March 2011 - Luanda (LAD)
So far BA have kept to the list in the appendix to the offer as they said they would.