BA CC industrial relations (current airline staff only)
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My only information is for WW beyond that I know very little
MissM for the first time I agree with you, but BASSA members and by default non BASSA members are where they are because of a complete and utter failure of BASSA to negotiate sensibly
My only information is for WW beyond that I know very littleMissM for the first time I agree with you, but BASSA members and by default non BASSA members are where they are because of a complete and utter failure of BASSA to negotiate sensibly
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Miss M,
How are you?
The ones who need to wake up is those who thought BASSA would get them Staff Travel in five minutes and those who didn't believe Willie Walsh who said that you would lose Staff Travel if you strike.
Having said that I am genuinely sorry for you having lost your staff travel and for being so naive and gullible.
How are you?
The ones who need to wake up is those who thought BASSA would get them Staff Travel in five minutes and those who didn't believe Willie Walsh who said that you would lose Staff Travel if you strike.
Having said that I am genuinely sorry for you having lost your staff travel and for being so naive and gullible.
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Whilst some crew were naively worrying about working one down,others were waking up and smellling the coffee.
They were aware of the real issues at stake.New fleet.
Some crew chose to strike over the crewing levels.
Others chose a different battle and attempted to secure as good a deal as they could to protect their pay.
It seems both sides have achieved their aim.
Non unionised crew have payment protection and the union have succeeded in getting extra crew on board. VCC. But at what cost?
They were aware of the real issues at stake.New fleet.
Some crew chose to strike over the crewing levels.
Others chose a different battle and attempted to secure as good a deal as they could to protect their pay.
It seems both sides have achieved their aim.
Non unionised crew have payment protection and the union have succeeded in getting extra crew on board. VCC. But at what cost?
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I think HND and EZE are red herrings in this as any guarantees are only about route transfers not about new routes. The single NRT being changed to the 777 and NF would be a sensible commercial decision allowing crewing flexibility between the 2 Tokyo destinations.
A single route going over to MF is hardly indicative of a policy to strip lucrative destinations from CTC. MF will have to be employed somewhere and they will be used where it makes commercial sense.
If BASSA had allowed CTC crew to look at hourly pay a few years ago then no routes would be "premium" routes, they would just be routes.
A single route going over to MF is hardly indicative of a policy to strip lucrative destinations from CTC. MF will have to be employed somewhere and they will be used where it makes commercial sense.
If BASSA had allowed CTC crew to look at hourly pay a few years ago then no routes would be "premium" routes, they would just be routes.
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It is a contract we have with BA and it makes no sense whatsoever to have us sitting at home on full pay while Mixed Fleet do these routes.
For those of you who 'Backed BA' - you will not be 'protected' neither will 'legacy' (I love the way you Pilots are using that word) crew.
For Tiramisu, HiFlyer14, Eddy et al - you need to understand that BA is a business, a corporate machine, a money making entity for it's shareholders, simples
BA is not here to 'protect' nor 'look after' anyone - it is here to make money.
Take whatever Bill Francis offered you with a pinch of salt - they will change whatever they want to change and do whatever they want to do. The only thing that could possibly stop them doing that would be a strong Trades Union and thats almost a thing of the past.
Remember those movies that the baddies used to get the guy to dig their own grave before they shot them - welcome to the real world guys, you just helped dig your own grave. (By the way I recommend Spear & Jackson as a fine manufacturer of garden implements)
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No15,
It is Bassa that have let you and the rest of us down by striking instead of talking.
All the union ever get us, are agreements also, so whats the difference. My agreement is as binding as any Bassa have got and BA has upheld all the agreements to date. Crewing levels were never part of any agreement.
Shame Bassa did not make an agreement over the new crewing levels, that none of us are upset about, instead of taking you all out on strike, maybe then we would all have an AGREEMENT and you might have your staff travel also.
We all have a choice believe Bill or Bassa and I have found Bill to be the most honest so far.
It is Bassa that have let you and the rest of us down by striking instead of talking.
All the union ever get us, are agreements also, so whats the difference. My agreement is as binding as any Bassa have got and BA has upheld all the agreements to date. Crewing levels were never part of any agreement.
Shame Bassa did not make an agreement over the new crewing levels, that none of us are upset about, instead of taking you all out on strike, maybe then we would all have an AGREEMENT and you might have your staff travel also.
We all have a choice believe Bill or Bassa and I have found Bill to be the most honest so far.
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BA is not here to 'protect' nor 'look after' anyone - it is here to make money.
Take whatever Bill Francis offered you with a pinch of salt - they will change whatever they want to change and do whatever they want to do. The only thing that could possibly stop them doing that would be a strong Trades Union and thats almost a thing of the past.
Take whatever Bill Francis offered you with a pinch of salt - they will change whatever they want to change and do whatever they want to do. The only thing that could possibly stop them doing that would be a strong Trades Union and thats almost a thing of the past.
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Take whatever Bill Francis offered you with a pinch of salt - they will change whatever they want to change and do whatever they want to do. The only thing that could possibly stop them doing that would be a strong Trades Union and thats almost a thing of the past.
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Personally I couldn't be less bothered with ST as I almost never use it and should I ever travel in the future I will take my business elsewhere.
And I am genuinely sorry for those of you who thought you were backing BA when crossing the picket line. Some of you might have signed a three year deal with the company which protects you for the time being but in my opinion you have really sold yourselves down the river. What happens later?
It's not too late for you, or anyone else, to change your mind. The majority of us made the right decision earlier this year and won't doubt to make that decision again. Personally I will strike go on strike for as long as it takes as some of us care about out future and will not accept this behaviour from our excuse to an LT.
Personally I couldn't be less bothered with ST as I almost never use it and should I ever travel in the future I will take my business elsewhere.
And I am genuinely sorry for those of you who thought you were backing BA when crossing the picket line. Some of you might have signed a three year deal with the company which protects you for the time being but in my opinion you have really sold yourselves down the river. What happens later?
It's not too late for you, or anyone else, to change your mind. The majority of us made the right decision earlier this year and won't doubt to make that decision again. Personally I will strike go on strike for as long as it takes as some of us care about out future and will not accept this behaviour from our excuse to an LT.
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Tiramisu
Personally I couldn't be less bothered with ST as I almost never use it and should I ever travel in the future I will take my business elsewhere.
And I am genuinely sorry for those of you who thought you were backing BA when crossing the picket line. Some of you might have signed a three year deal with the company which protects you for the time being but in my opinion you have really sold yourselves down the river. What happens later?
It's not too late for you, or anyone else, to change your mind. The majority of us made the right decision earlier this year and won't doubt to make that decision again. Personally I will strike go on strike for as long as it takes as some of us care about out future and will not accept this behaviour from our excuse to an LT.
Personally I couldn't be less bothered with ST as I almost never use it and should I ever travel in the future I will take my business elsewhere.
And I am genuinely sorry for those of you who thought you were backing BA when crossing the picket line. Some of you might have signed a three year deal with the company which protects you for the time being but in my opinion you have really sold yourselves down the river. What happens later?
It's not too late for you, or anyone else, to change your mind. The majority of us made the right decision earlier this year and won't doubt to make that decision again. Personally I will strike go on strike for as long as it takes as some of us care about out future and will not accept this behaviour from our excuse to an LT.
Are you prepared to give anything to this company MissM (other than strike threats), or is that for the rest of the staff to be burdened with?
And you wonder why there are so many VCC's willing and able!
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My agreement is as binding as any Bassa have got and BA has upheld all the agreements to date. Crewing levels were never part of any agreement.
You will find that crewing levels are most certainly part of the 'Agreement' that BA and BASSA used to adhere too - in the WW Sceduling Agreement it is section 7 page 29.
7. CREW COMPLEMENTS
MINIMUM PLANNED CREW COMPLEMENTS
ADDITIONAL CREW MEMBER ROUTES
ICC COMPLEMENTS
WORKING POSITIONS DOWNROUTE SHORTAGE
MINIMUM PLANNED CREW COMPLEMENTS
ADDITIONAL CREW MEMBER ROUTES
ICC COMPLEMENTS
WORKING POSITIONS DOWNROUTE SHORTAGE
We had an 'Agreement' and BA changed it - just as they will now change anything they want too in the future - can't you see that?
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Originally Posted by MissM
The majority of us made the right decision earlier this year
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MissM,
I don't think your union will strike now. I think they will find some way to save face and sign you up to the agreement. Shame they let go of a better one and lost you your staff travel for you.!!!
I don't think your union will strike now. I think they will find some way to save face and sign you up to the agreement. Shame they let go of a better one and lost you your staff travel for you.!!!
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No.15 you see things so clearly, yes it is all about running a busiiness and making money. Each one of us is just a name and staff number, once you actually start believing that the company care about your rights/contract etc you have lost the plot. Welcome to the world of corporate business it is very ruthless. It is a sad fact that loyalty and even going to work during the strike and backing BA will not help you in the long run. I have been very proud to work for BA but I am no fool we are tiny cogs in a very large wheel and can and will be replaced to save money. Our board can afford the top lawyers, stragists, economists they can run circles around us at the same time putting such a spin on it making it all very believable for the guillible.
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Look BA can not get rid of people just because they are on an old contract. They will not be paying for us to sit at home and do no work either. Qantas have done exactly the same thing and have crew on different contracts and the old contracts are still there.
You are all being frightened by a union that has got out of control. Yes of course BA would rather have people on cheaper contracts and as we leave that is what will happen. They are making huge savings from the new crew compliments and even bigger savings from Mixed fleet (and the union has helped make these bigger than ever)
What we should all do is get on with doing our job and show BA that E/F and WW can be better than Mixed Fleet with all our experienced crew.
You are all being frightened by a union that has got out of control. Yes of course BA would rather have people on cheaper contracts and as we leave that is what will happen. They are making huge savings from the new crew compliments and even bigger savings from Mixed fleet (and the union has helped make these bigger than ever)
What we should all do is get on with doing our job and show BA that E/F and WW can be better than Mixed Fleet with all our experienced crew.