QCCA Pay and Conditions - A380
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Just checked the "SYDNEY A380 Application Form"
clearly the heading states:-
Qantas Airways Long Haul Cabin Crew
Application to operate on the Qantas A380
The applications on the crew website are for Long Haul Crew.
If A380boi is correct the next few days will be very exciting for current SH crew.
Good Luck~!
clearly the heading states:-
Qantas Airways Long Haul Cabin Crew
Application to operate on the Qantas A380
The applications on the crew website are for Long Haul Crew.
If A380boi is correct the next few days will be very exciting for current SH crew.
Good Luck~!
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Thank you everyone
Thanks guys and girls for all your input. I'm very grateful that you've all responded to my request for impartial information. Even though the pay at SH is good, I don't wanna spend the rest of my young life on a crappy 737 doing Sh*ttyFlyer MEL waiting for a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow and hoping my divisional transfer will be actioned someday. At certain times of our lives here on earth, we have to take chances at crossroads....this is one of them. I am prepared to trade off seniority, staff travel, pay, etc, if it makes my life happy. At the end of the day, its about being happy within yourself, growing and expanding your mind, and loving the job you do. I could unwillingly drag my heels to work everyday onto a 737 bound for Karratha and take home $2500 every fortnight. Or I could come to work on an A380 and see the world and absorb other cultures and make a personal financial sacrifice/change to take home say $1600 pay. I guess we all have to weigh up what is important to us....money or happiness? Change is like a sea current....you either swim with it or try to fight it and let it drown you. No one can change the way the company is heading....you either bend with QF or stand your ground....eventually they will break you somewhere down the track (They've got 85 years profitable experience to prove their power). I want to be happy, and I'm not happy at SH, so I'm gonna take ownership of my unhappiness and do something about it. Once again, thanks heaps for your input....keep them coming.
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Domestos, have you considered the London base?
You could do that for 2 years, then go back to your postion at SH and re-evaluate. Things might be very very different for us all down the track with regard to conditions. With the A380 and these new entities popping up, it is all still in it's infancy. Might be worth the wait til the dust settles and conditions are more established. In the mean time you would be flying international and living in Europe.
With the possibility of a new entity it may push you up the ladder a little with bidding for trips having other crew under you when you were to return.
Just a thought.
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You could do that for 2 years, then go back to your postion at SH and re-evaluate. Things might be very very different for us all down the track with regard to conditions. With the A380 and these new entities popping up, it is all still in it's infancy. Might be worth the wait til the dust settles and conditions are more established. In the mean time you would be flying international and living in Europe.
With the possibility of a new entity it may push you up the ladder a little with bidding for trips having other crew under you when you were to return.
Just a thought.
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What a nice way to get the new S/H EBA voted in.
Create a bit of distraction with a sweetener to go to QCCA for a secondment.
Might even take the spotlight off the fact a new QCCA domestic is being introduced.
Very smart.
Create a bit of distraction with a sweetener to go to QCCA for a secondment.
Might even take the spotlight off the fact a new QCCA domestic is being introduced.
Very smart.
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False Alarm?
Nowhere,anywhere(On The Crew Website) can I find any information regarding Domestic applications for the A380.
All existing applications are clearly marked for Longhaul.
Someone has goofed
All existing applications are clearly marked for Longhaul.
Someone has goofed
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A380 for SH too good to be true
I thought it was too good to be true re: A380boi's post that A380 secondment will be offered to SH. Webster has posted a Q&A already and it states specifically that under no circumstances will the A380 be offered to SH...it is a long haul aircraft and will remain long haul.....rightly so I guess. A lot of Beehives in SH have questioned why London base was offered to SH but not A380....the answer is simple.....the company does not want SH working alongside with LH. Over at London, SH work alongside of people off the street (and perhaps one or two LH crew, if any, but not as much as say on an A380).
The company wants to make SH a pure "Domestic" divison...hence they refer to SH as "Domestic" now...no longer "Short Haul" [proof: check the EBA proposal published by the company...it makes constant reference to "Domestic" not "Short Haul"]. Also those Beehives who live in the dreamland seem to think that regionals will come back....fat chance girls....they are gone for good now. The 25% that we might see over the financial year would be the odd CHC or NOU return.....I mean the company has even taken AKL off us! CNS-NRT and PER-DPS & CGK will be done by Jetstar.....so what does that leave SH?.....Sh*ttyFlyer (cos those pokey multi-day trips will be done by the new entity of course). Look at it this way...if I was running QF, why would I wanna send a full-time QAL F/A on a trip earning big bucks when I could send a New Entity F/A to do the same duty? Yes I know, they say QAL employees' rosters are built first and then New Entity....but who knows what happens behind closed doors??????
A380boi....thank you for your post.....but I think on this occassion, the validity of your source may need to be reviewed, or at least questioned.
The company wants to make SH a pure "Domestic" divison...hence they refer to SH as "Domestic" now...no longer "Short Haul" [proof: check the EBA proposal published by the company...it makes constant reference to "Domestic" not "Short Haul"]. Also those Beehives who live in the dreamland seem to think that regionals will come back....fat chance girls....they are gone for good now. The 25% that we might see over the financial year would be the odd CHC or NOU return.....I mean the company has even taken AKL off us! CNS-NRT and PER-DPS & CGK will be done by Jetstar.....so what does that leave SH?.....Sh*ttyFlyer (cos those pokey multi-day trips will be done by the new entity of course). Look at it this way...if I was running QF, why would I wanna send a full-time QAL F/A on a trip earning big bucks when I could send a New Entity F/A to do the same duty? Yes I know, they say QAL employees' rosters are built first and then New Entity....but who knows what happens behind closed doors??????
A380boi....thank you for your post.....but I think on this occassion, the validity of your source may need to be reviewed, or at least questioned.
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Domestos is the Q&A by Alison Webster dated today ?
I can't find the link. Can you please post on pprune.
Only 20 F/T Long haul crew have chosen to go over to QCCA A380. IF they can't get anymore then why not open it up to short haul. Doesn't matter if you are long haul or short haul. You will be working together under the QCCA EBA.
What a bummer if it only is for L/H crew to apply again. What makes them think they will get more interest this time ?
A380boi you have some explaining to do.
I can't find the link. Can you please post on pprune.
Only 20 F/T Long haul crew have chosen to go over to QCCA A380. IF they can't get anymore then why not open it up to short haul. Doesn't matter if you are long haul or short haul. You will be working together under the QCCA EBA.
What a bummer if it only is for L/H crew to apply again. What makes them think they will get more interest this time ?
A380boi you have some explaining to do.
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Thank you RaverFlaver
Thank you RaverFlaver for your suggestion re: LHR base. This is one of my options if the sh*t hits the fan at SH (which it will). It is my very last option (short of taking my own life with a fully laden meal cart). The UK base is a good viable alternative for those who are single and have no commitments (financial or relationship)....unfortunately I belong to a group who has financial debts and a long term partner to worry about. Nonetheless, thank you for your input.
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Response to QF Skywalker
QF Skywalker...Webster made the statement on Crew Voice not long ago....so it was a verbal statement not a written one. I apologise if I mislead you. I cannot prove that she said it cos a mate of mine listened to Crew Voice and told me about it. He and I are desperate to get out of SH so I doubt very much he would lie about it. If anyone out there who listened to CrewVoice with Webster on it, can you please vouch for my statement that she said A380 will not be offered to SH.
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Well the wording of the announcement TODAY says ' open to Qantas airlines flight attendants ' so either there has been a change of mind since crew voice or we are once again seeing evidence that the QFCREW website is a ridiculous idea if the people adding to it can't communicate properly and realise they need to specify short or long haul when referring to Qantas airlines employees.
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A380 notice misleading
Hey there QF Skywalker....it is definitely for LH crew only. I just downloaded the application form and it states on the top of it: "Qantas Airways Long Haul Cabin Crew - Application to work on the A380".
OK....you and I can put that rumour to death now.....LOL.
OK....you and I can put that rumour to death now.....LOL.
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It sounds like no-one at QF is winning at the moment. Why not have SH &LH crew work together? You're all human right? I've never heard of a company that actively creates such divisions, especially at a time when aviation is seeking more flexibility not less...?
And if all this is to be taken as fact then it looks like a massive QCCA recruitment drive shortly especially considering there are 20 A380s on order for QF. Surely it has got to be cheaper and more efficient to up-skill existing staff even those on higher EBAs than it is to recruit, train and put online new staff who have no experience in the QF business?
Life is stranger than fiction.
And if all this is to be taken as fact then it looks like a massive QCCA recruitment drive shortly especially considering there are 20 A380s on order for QF. Surely it has got to be cheaper and more efficient to up-skill existing staff even those on higher EBAs than it is to recruit, train and put online new staff who have no experience in the QF business?
Life is stranger than fiction.
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Does anyone recall that big announcement a couple of months ago (when fuel was around 150 a gallon) that mentioned staff cuts and also a staff hiring freeze?? If i remember correctly, they mentioned that the 1000 + or so new QCCA staff were going to be put on hold. I also remember hearing that those classes which were already committed to were going to go ahead, after that there was supposed to be a freeze. Well Im figuring if they need to crew 20 A380s, then either the freeze will (has??) been lifted or they will try getting QAL crew to do it and if they dont get numbers, then why not Short Haul?
Very interesting to see what happens!!!
And Domestos, its horses for courses mate. Some people love the short flights, others love the long flights. Ive met some amazing people flying both long and short haul. One division is not better than the other.
Very interesting to see what happens!!!
And Domestos, its horses for courses mate. Some people love the short flights, others love the long flights. Ive met some amazing people flying both long and short haul. One division is not better than the other.
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the freeze has definately not been lifted, i know a number from jq that were given the position then put on hold and are still waiting. They have also been told that if after a certain period of time (4mnths from memory) they have not received a start date they will have to go through management review again. Managers have been asking qcca to consider going to a380..i assume they will shortly be tapped on the shoulder and told they are going.
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Domestos
I listened to crew voice and Alison Webster did say that A380 will not be offered to shorthaul but that was last week so alot can change in that time.
If you go to the qfcrew website on the front page if you scroll down past all the A380 stuff then click on "Latest cabin crew information" you will be able to click on the link for eba7 information with all the Q & A's.
I listened to crew voice and Alison Webster did say that A380 will not be offered to shorthaul but that was last week so alot can change in that time.
If you go to the qfcrew website on the front page if you scroll down past all the A380 stuff then click on "Latest cabin crew information" you will be able to click on the link for eba7 information with all the Q & A's.
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current plans for A380 lax- mel and lax-syd, QF31 syd-sin-lhr. legs between sin-lhr will be operated by lhr base crew starting in january. oz crew will slip in lax and singapore only. hardly cultural destinations. actual lhcc applied and accepted is 21, all other vacancies will be filled by QCCA who will be transferred my mgmt whether they want to go or not. all csm and css vacancies were filled, the smiling assassin from the middle east is going, god help all the A380 crew.
