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Old 16th May 2009, 12:52
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vote ratio...

I'm hoping for in the 90% NO to send (another) clear message. From what i hear in the galley, and on the bus and in the supermarket is NO. I know there's a handfull out there that, for thier own reasons, selfish or not, will vote yes. It worries me to no end how big that handfull really is. I think the ones voting yes are the ones leaving and the new ones who just don't know any different- but to those cc I say educate yourself. knowledge is power. I hope all our DM's get to vote too, they'll be back flying soon...

I can't wait to cast my vote first thing only wish it was in person and I had a Team CC shirt to wear, and maybe one of those big button pins!
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Old 17th May 2009, 07:54
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vote ratio

Dont worry eba bab... the message will be loud and clear.. I'm thinking 90% VOTE NO is not unrealistic.. we're in the majority..
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*** Drumroll Please ***
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Old 25th May 2009, 06:52
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yes or no already!

oh god... what is it???...

just tell us already so we can be put out of our misery (or put in it)
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Old 25th May 2009, 07:09
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We don't know, nor did the crew on our flight today.

It's either REALLY close or a HUGE no for it to be taking this long.

REALLY close - so they can double check.

HUGE NO - they need time to sack some managers and have PR do up some sort of bitter defeat letter to crew.
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Old 25th May 2009, 07:13
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I have a whisper it is what we want it to be but awaiting confirmation from other sources.
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Old 25th May 2009, 07:37
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quote from MD's email...

A total 85% of crew took part in the ballot with 77% registering a ‘No’ vote
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Old 25th May 2009, 07:58
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so is that 77% of the 85% or 77% of the entire crew. It just means that if its of the votes then potentially it is 90.1% of the actual votes.
Management have some work to do to come up with something suitable for us to agree upon. Perhaps the first thing they should do is retire the word "productivity gain."
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Old 25th May 2009, 07:58
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WELL DONE! A good strong result from a united workforce.

MD doesn't want change, he wanted every last penny!
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Old 25th May 2009, 08:40
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Good Work!

Great news!... lets hope lessons are learnt by all- and I'm *glad* crew were smart and read the doc for what it was.

Beware though some dirty tactics could be coming our way. Stay focused, stand united.

Also, after google-ing VBA eba, I came across this article in the SMH online paper from march '07, when we turned down our last eba.....
Virgin Blue spokeswoman Heather Jeffery said the airline did "understand that it proposes a lot of change to systems and processes and everyone needs to be fully conversant and comfortable with those changes".
The airline would continue talks with cabin crew.
Compared with Qantas domestic cabin crew, Virgin Blue cabin crew are required to work 15 per cent more hours and, going by the highest pay scale, get around 20 per cent less in base pay. They get paid less and work slightly more hours than Jetstar crews.
And thats from 2007! Imagine what that would read if written for today, if we voted this eba in- 25% more hours- 30% less pay...????
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Old 25th May 2009, 09:27
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and another article published TODAY.

published today - News - Queensland Business Review
We seem to be riding this GEC rather well. and the USD is up nicely at $0.785 to 1AUD. That must help with the cost of fuel!
Virgin Blue traffic skyrockets over April





Virgin Blue domestic passenger numbers for April increased by 3.1 percent since last year, as operating statistics show traffic and capacity continuing to strengthen.

Domestic traffic measured by revenue passenger kilometres (RPK) jumped 5.1 percent while capacity, measured by available seat kilometres (ASK) increased 0.9 percent.

Revenue load factor was up 3.3 points, as was international passenger numbers which increased 62.6 percent over the year.

Virgin Blue traffic increased by 214.9 percent, while capacity increased by 251.1 percent over the same period.

Revenue load factor was down 7.7 points from the previous year, however on time performance was up 6.5 points to 87.3 percent.

Domestic passenger numbers for the 10 months to April 2009 increased by 5.6 percent from the previous year.

RPKs increased by 5.8 percent, while ASKs improved by 6.3 percent over the same period.

Revenue load factor for the year to date decreased by 0.4 point to 81.8 percent.

International passenger numbers for the 10 months to April 2009 increased by a whopping 70.5 percent from the previous year.

Continuing the upward streak, RPKs increased by 84.5 percent, and ASKs increased by 108.2 percent.

Load factor decreased by 9.1 points to 71.1 percent compared to the previous year, yet on time performance was up 1.5 points to 81.2 percent.

In a re-cap of April news, Pacific Blue Airlines appointed Mark Pitts as its new CEO, replacing John Bartlett who has now retired from the airline.

Townsville landed a spot in Virgin Blue’s history books as the first and only destination that has ever had four new flights launched in one day.

These include direct flights to Cairns, Canberra, Gold Coast and Rockhampton.

New airline V Australia launched its second route, linking Queensland to California, with the departure of the inaugural service between Brisbane and Los Angeles.

Finally, the loyalty program of the Virgin Blue Group of Airlines, Velocity, took out Program of The Year award at the annual Freddie Awards in Florida.
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Old 25th May 2009, 09:56
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Vb Eba 09

I agree! what more can I say
They could of had it through if they simply just gave you guys 4.5% first year then 3.5% remaining stuff the one off payments no real rise at all that way
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Old 25th May 2009, 10:02
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Grrr MD

Your spot on there EVERYBODY NEEDS TO UNITE AND STAY STRONG after all YOU are the ones that EARNT all these business awards where is the thanks in that?

Just an email and no real pay rise and an insulting new proposal lose the 5th crew member what did that buy? E-jets, take more pay cuts what does that buy ?, another two yrs of V staying afloat? .

They shouldnt of started V in the 1st place worst timing ever. You cant tell me they didnt see this financial crisis coming.

After all isnt this why they invest in financial advisors!?
Im prepared to take appropriate measures to save money but not be taken advantage of.
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Old 25th May 2009, 10:32
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It wasn't just about the pay rises. Loads more in that document that was wrong. We asked for black and white and they tried to make it grey again. They want productivity at the expense of conditions/safety/lifestyle/service/etc.
All we want is to improve the document that we have got at the moment. Listen to the crew, do surveys designed by the crew, we aren't stupid so stop treating us like we are!
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Old 25th May 2009, 11:03
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wirgin, my sentiments exactly. For too long, the management have underestimated the intelligence and the unity amongst the crew. On the surface the crew may seem like a backstabbing bunch of airhead lunatics, but under the surface is a 'common sense' intelligent, united, dedicated bunch of people who make EVERY effort to see the company not just survive, but thrive.

Virgin Blue was recently named as one of the most trusted brands in Australia. It through no small part because of the up-front, genuine, and solution orientated front line staff, be they pilots, cabin crew, or ground crew.

At the helm of the airline, you have a bunch of small minded penny pinching nohopers, who have lost sight of the big picture. They have forgotten where the airline has come from, and just how FLEXIBLE their trusty workers have been to get them where they are!

If it had not been for us, their paychecks would still be commensurate with that of a struggling low cost airline playing the part of the underdog.

Fortunately for them, we give a damn about 'Tom Andrews'.

They might bleat about sleepless nights over what to do with excess staff, yet they will never understand a sleepless night until they have spent the night in the perth hotel in a room next door to Beryl and Arthur Aldridge of Woop Woop celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary in style with leather and cuffs all round!

They might speak of uncertain times, but the facts speak the truth. Virgin Blue is doing better than ANYONE flying the australian skies. Customers love the airline, and are abandoning the flying rat and its orange lovechild in droves. There's reason behind it too, at one airport today, the departures board was littered with delays from Jetstar, with tiger taking the cake at over 7 hours! Virgin flights were arriving and departing 5 early, with smiles abound! Overheard a brief conversation in line at the Eagle Boys express where a Virgin passenger was BOASTING about how happy he was to have chosen virgin to one of those unfortunate tiger pax.

The little credibility I will give management is that they had the foresight to position the airline to ride out this storm. On the other hand, with the ideas they had at hand, I could give you a long list of crew that could have implemented them in a far more effective and cost effective manner.

The unfortunate truth is that they are probably pretty bitter about it right now, and ready to implement their 'Plan B', which will (at my guess) be a VERY quickly re-introduced proposal, with a few glammed up high profile sweeteners, but the same grey areas of danger - just to avoid having the govt and the union scruitinise their petty offerings. Don't be blinded by the 'celebrities' folks (see above clip), do the sums for yourself, like you have, and don't settle for less than what youre worth in the long term.

Sorry for rambling!
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Old 25th May 2009, 12:13
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I agree ozangel, like I said before look out for some dirty tactics, like doubling the "one off payment" to try buy the votes again, amongst other things. It's not just about the money- thats what makes it scary!

VB No 5 most trusted brand in Oz. With special thanks to all the little people- the face and spirit of VB for playing the biggest part in creating our reputation of trustworthiness. Here's hoping the general public don't find out that there's trust issues within company walls.
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Old 25th May 2009, 12:30
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From listening down the Story bridge, what a great result for CC.
Well done.
Lets hope the next offer is more realistic
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Old 25th May 2009, 12:49
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Awesome result!!!

Not that it influences the outcome, but I wonder what makes 15% of crew not vote in the first place?

Anyway I am curious to see what's next - more meetings or a new proposal?!? Time will tell... Either way I'm sure it will be a better outcome.
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Old 25th May 2009, 13:11
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skyshow, as you say (quote: "not that it matters"), but even IF those 15% had all voted in favour, it would have still been a convincing NO result.

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Old 29th May 2009, 13:06
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Angry 'newworld'

Yeah new world carrier is a bullsh*t spin dr label BG came up with it stands for dirty cheap bitter and twisted and rip off anyone and everyone we can with dumb no brain ideas!

Charging $3.00 for instant coffee is a prime example of a dumb idea and an insult to our travelling clients
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