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I see that Tiger has released fares to QLD destinations for late November all from MEL which I know is to be there base. I was told by some JQ crew that Tiger interviewed a month or so ago in Melbourne for crew. Can anyone confirm what the situation with Tiger is with regard to crew & positions!! that is only really 4 months from now. Does anyone know when they will start interviewing & how many aussie crew they will need? Any info will be appreciated.
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Hi Gloria
Yes they have been interviewing for cabin crew. Last week and this week.
Numbers at present is about 35 positions. I believe they will be looking for more later in the year.
Crew will be on AWA's, all day flying, no overnights. Similar pay structure to Virgin.
Training is very soon.
Yes they have been interviewing for cabin crew. Last week and this week.
Numbers at present is about 35 positions. I believe they will be looking for more later in the year.
Crew will be on AWA's, all day flying, no overnights. Similar pay structure to Virgin.
Training is very soon.
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nothing said in regards to pay conditions yet
heard at work that they r definetely interviewing and 3 of the guys have already been offered positions, and one of them as a cabin manager and the other 2 were told that they can expect to be cabin managers by dec.
apparently they have only interviewed people with past or current experience in the airline industry. the interview was pretty straight forward, direct to a panel interview, what only confirms that, at this stage, they r looking for people that had/have the experience
training will start in august, it goes for 2 weeks and out online in sep.
the funny thing is that nobody knows anything about the pay conditions.
what they know for sure is that there wont be any overnights, they get 6 weeks off p/year and they also get staff travel concession with tigers big sister - Singapore Airlines.
Will keep my ears open if i hear anything else that might be of help.
for now good luck to u all.
apparently they have only interviewed people with past or current experience in the airline industry. the interview was pretty straight forward, direct to a panel interview, what only confirms that, at this stage, they r looking for people that had/have the experience
training will start in august, it goes for 2 weeks and out online in sep.
the funny thing is that nobody knows anything about the pay conditions.
what they know for sure is that there wont be any overnights, they get 6 weeks off p/year and they also get staff travel concession with tigers big sister - Singapore Airlines.
Will keep my ears open if i hear anything else that might be of help.
for now good luck to u all.
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Originally Posted by Bla_bla
training will start in august, it goes for 2 weeks and out online in sep
2 weeks?
Surely not... even if you are talking about experienced crew, it takes a lot longer than 2 weeks for the initial training of candidates in a companies policies & procedures, then all the EP drills, procedures etc etc etc - am I the only one who see's an issue here? 2 weeks maybe as a return to work course or similar, but surely not for initial training
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2 weeks training is correct, EP's will run for about 6 days. All initial crew will have had previous A320 experience so can't see that this will be a problem. I am curious about staff concessions on SIA though, is that true as that would be a sweetner for some.
Training schools penned in for late August, they are trying to be in the air for Sept. now more likely Oct.
The people I have met are really nice & confident in the product as well!!!
Training schools penned in for late August, they are trying to be in the air for Sept. now more likely Oct.
The people I have met are really nice & confident in the product as well!!!
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Still no word on Tiger's start-up!! It has all gone rather quite. Anybody with the inside word on where things are at?? I believe they have selected initial crew but nothing else past that. I noticed that they are busy with remodelling terminal 4 @ MEL airport.
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Tiger heating up
There seems to be a buzz at the moment about Tiger
So many questions and so many people saying things that just have not been confirmed in the press.
Anyone heard anything?
Rumour has it Tiger is going to make a loss for the next couple of years until they expand and eat up so many routes, offer cheap fares, a good product and then...bang!
Newspapers and Tiger's web site show it will start with 5 aircraft, however heard that they are already planning 10
Salaries to be higher than Virgin and Jetstar, but they would have to be as news has it that no staff travel will be offered other than their own airline. Why would anybody move from Virgin where the salary will be less but overnights/allowances make up for much more and staff travel awesome. Jetstar employees even get to travel on other airlines I heard. Wow!
Do you really think people will move across? Think unless they offer Singapore Airlines benefits they can forget getting good crew. Singapore only owns 49% of Tiger so doubt it. One friend heard contracts will allow RYANAIR staff travel. Weird, why RYANAIR?
Has anybody seen their uniform? Web-site shows a girl with a yellow t-shirt that is it
Interesting times ahead I guess
So many questions and so many people saying things that just have not been confirmed in the press.
Anyone heard anything?
Rumour has it Tiger is going to make a loss for the next couple of years until they expand and eat up so many routes, offer cheap fares, a good product and then...bang!
Newspapers and Tiger's web site show it will start with 5 aircraft, however heard that they are already planning 10
Salaries to be higher than Virgin and Jetstar, but they would have to be as news has it that no staff travel will be offered other than their own airline. Why would anybody move from Virgin where the salary will be less but overnights/allowances make up for much more and staff travel awesome. Jetstar employees even get to travel on other airlines I heard. Wow!
Do you really think people will move across? Think unless they offer Singapore Airlines benefits they can forget getting good crew. Singapore only owns 49% of Tiger so doubt it. One friend heard contracts will allow RYANAIR staff travel. Weird, why RYANAIR?
Has anybody seen their uniform? Web-site shows a girl with a yellow t-shirt that is it
Interesting times ahead I guess
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It is a low cost airline, so the staff travel perks are going to be a lot less than the full services carriers.
I would not read too much into the rumours that you hear.
It is a low cost airline, so the staff travel perks are going to be a lot less than the full services carriers.
I would not read too much into the rumours that you hear.
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I can see your point, but as far as I'm aware travel benefits have nothing to do with being full service or low cost airline. Virgin was once a low cost airline, yet it's travel benefits were always quite good.
Your right about rumours though. Some service to be true others get tossed to the side. Interesting to read them. More often than not the rumours are all garbage but sometimes you can spot someone that always comes up with the goods. In the know, so to say
Your right about rumours though. Some service to be true others get tossed to the side. Interesting to read them. More often than not the rumours are all garbage but sometimes you can spot someone that always comes up with the goods. In the know, so to say
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ha ha galley bitch
Well said! I think the same.
I have the facts branson's bitch, you will last at Tiger as long as the airline lasts.
Who is your CEO in Australia by the way? Tiger has approached 4 well know airline execs and all said NO
Tiger will not last it is Singapore's springboard to The USA
Best conditions you have experienced? Which airlines did you work for before? Moorabbin Express
Sit at home wait for your stand by 1 hour call in time and then NOT get paid for it.
Hope you don't get sick darling. Catch a cold 2-3 days off. Mmmmmm
30% of your sick leave taken in one hit, ohhhh and then you will not receive any DTA so if you calculated a rough yearly salary think again.
4 crew operation not ruled by an EBA you will be calling in sick by the week not by the day. 6 sector days, yep 6 sectors. 3 are bad enough, 4 is terrible. 4 plus pax is a nightmare. You guys are going to be doing 6 that is 1,2,3,4,5 and 6 Let's say full flights when are you going to have time to eat?
Car park...oh did I forget to mention that decent airlines pay for their employers to park their cars....you will have to pay outof your own pocket
6 weeks annual leave the norm..now what will you be getting?
Staff travel the norm..now what will you be getting? Or as per the contract "may" get staff travel
overnights..now what will you be getting?
annual leave loading..forget it, overtime.. forget it..
Uniform? Do you actually know what you will be wearing yet?
It's a joke, unfair conditions
only casuals will take it up and crew that can't get into the big 4.
Good luck though
I have the facts branson's bitch, you will last at Tiger as long as the airline lasts.
Who is your CEO in Australia by the way? Tiger has approached 4 well know airline execs and all said NO
Tiger will not last it is Singapore's springboard to The USA
Best conditions you have experienced? Which airlines did you work for before? Moorabbin Express
Sit at home wait for your stand by 1 hour call in time and then NOT get paid for it.
Hope you don't get sick darling. Catch a cold 2-3 days off. Mmmmmm
30% of your sick leave taken in one hit, ohhhh and then you will not receive any DTA so if you calculated a rough yearly salary think again.
4 crew operation not ruled by an EBA you will be calling in sick by the week not by the day. 6 sector days, yep 6 sectors. 3 are bad enough, 4 is terrible. 4 plus pax is a nightmare. You guys are going to be doing 6 that is 1,2,3,4,5 and 6 Let's say full flights when are you going to have time to eat?
Car park...oh did I forget to mention that decent airlines pay for their employers to park their cars....you will have to pay outof your own pocket
6 weeks annual leave the norm..now what will you be getting?
Staff travel the norm..now what will you be getting? Or as per the contract "may" get staff travel
overnights..now what will you be getting?
annual leave loading..forget it, overtime.. forget it..
Uniform? Do you actually know what you will be wearing yet?
It's a joke, unfair conditions
only casuals will take it up and crew that can't get into the big 4.
Good luck though
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Why are you so negative about it?
I am not 19 and have worked for more than a couple of airlines and lasted more than 3/4 months. so you are wrong.
I have been in the top 4 currently work for the top one ... and have worked overseas.
You say your 'friend' has the contract.... have you actually got it in your hands NO.
I have... i am stating what i have read.. and to me it looks considerable better and fairer than what i have been on before.
YES .. virgin... Qantas.... ansett..... and an overseas carrier..
No time to eat? Please... show me a flight attendant that does not get a chance to eat and i'll show you a skinny flight attendant.. It's a paid service .. which i have done before.. this is not a premium service.. so let's calculate this...... flight to Perth... 3.40 hours... If you can't squeeze in a half hour meal break.. you 1. can't organise crew.. or 2 don't have a clue what you are doing.... Also this is not going to be a syd return airline .. this is not city flyer.. can you please tell me what sectors we will be able to fit in ... for a 1,2,3,4,5,6 flight day! (by the way i put that in for you seemings you find it easier to count out the numerical detail! )
Sick Pay AT LAST ... some of us don't even get a day sick pay, so for me ten days is a blessing.... Also , i don't get this flight attendant mentality.. of getting sick all the time... i have had one bad flu in 4 years... note... take on some vitamins.... eat some fresh food.. and look after yourself...
As for this paying for car park thing... was that added for effect because that is bull****.
yes there is 6 weeks annual leave... and thank god because at the moment alot of us have none.
Uniform BIG FRIGEN DEAL it's a U>N>I>F>O>R>M it's not my identity, nor is it a fashion statement.. It's something i wear to work.....
Overnights? No none... i knew that before i said yes.. fine with that. i mean min rest at a overnight is what most get these days.. and i have more of a life than to spend than in a hotel room.
So how about you say goodluck to the people who take it on ... stop with the negative ****... Give it a chance... ask people in 6 months . If you have a right to bitch then... go for gold... at the moment you just sound like one of those bitter flight attendants that have been around way to long and are still dreaming about the good ole days.. they have gone.... Hence the new laws that john howard has put in place..
Hey maybe i'll see you at Tiger
I am not 19 and have worked for more than a couple of airlines and lasted more than 3/4 months. so you are wrong.
I have been in the top 4 currently work for the top one ... and have worked overseas.
You say your 'friend' has the contract.... have you actually got it in your hands NO.
I have... i am stating what i have read.. and to me it looks considerable better and fairer than what i have been on before.
YES .. virgin... Qantas.... ansett..... and an overseas carrier..
No time to eat? Please... show me a flight attendant that does not get a chance to eat and i'll show you a skinny flight attendant.. It's a paid service .. which i have done before.. this is not a premium service.. so let's calculate this...... flight to Perth... 3.40 hours... If you can't squeeze in a half hour meal break.. you 1. can't organise crew.. or 2 don't have a clue what you are doing.... Also this is not going to be a syd return airline .. this is not city flyer.. can you please tell me what sectors we will be able to fit in ... for a 1,2,3,4,5,6 flight day! (by the way i put that in for you seemings you find it easier to count out the numerical detail! )
Sick Pay AT LAST ... some of us don't even get a day sick pay, so for me ten days is a blessing.... Also , i don't get this flight attendant mentality.. of getting sick all the time... i have had one bad flu in 4 years... note... take on some vitamins.... eat some fresh food.. and look after yourself...
As for this paying for car park thing... was that added for effect because that is bull****.
yes there is 6 weeks annual leave... and thank god because at the moment alot of us have none.
Uniform BIG FRIGEN DEAL it's a U>N>I>F>O>R>M it's not my identity, nor is it a fashion statement.. It's something i wear to work.....
Overnights? No none... i knew that before i said yes.. fine with that. i mean min rest at a overnight is what most get these days.. and i have more of a life than to spend than in a hotel room.
So how about you say goodluck to the people who take it on ... stop with the negative ****... Give it a chance... ask people in 6 months . If you have a right to bitch then... go for gold... at the moment you just sound like one of those bitter flight attendants that have been around way to long and are still dreaming about the good ole days.. they have gone.... Hence the new laws that john howard has put in place..
Hey maybe i'll see you at Tiger
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Branson's bitch...
Based on what people have said here, and you yourself, would you please enlighten me as to the following:
Regarding Tiger's AWA:
If half of what is stated on here is fact (regarding Tiger's conditions), then I am at a loss how you come up with that conclusion. As far as the domestic airlines are concerned in Australia, Qantas has the best terms and conditions of employment (as did Ansett). Virgin & Jetstar share the next step down from QF.
If Tiger (notice how I'm using IF here) is proposing 1 hr callout, only 10 days sick leave, 6 sectors is the case...then how do you arrive at the conclusion that these conditions are considerably better and fairer than the other airlines?? If anything - considerably LESS than the established airlines, and newer low cost airlines.
As for your comments on sick pay:
For someone that's flown before, I find this statement disturbing and very odd. Ten days is at best a minimum for the kind of flying that we perform (or indeed - ANY flying). Naturally, if you're a casual, sick days are non existent, which is funny in a strange kind of way, given that most of the casuals I know work way more hours than the full time crew!
Flight attendant 'mentality' of getting sick? Gee - I don't know. Could have something to do with the fact you're locked in a metal tube, with recycled air for hours on end, with 170 of your closest friends who insist on flying sick themselves because they paid $1 for their airfare, and they're not giving it up!
I've taken about 15 days sick leave over the past 12 months, primarily because I cannot fly with blocked ears (no one should of course). If I worked on the ground, in an office, it would be a very different story. But given the vagaries of our odd work environment, we have higher sick leave for a very good reason. Congrats to you if you're able to avoid respiratory illnesses. Beware the time when you may need to take more than 10 days off, of course. Never say never in this game.
Re: sectors of flying (I nearly fell off my seat at the thought of 6, I must add)...
It's not cityflyer...yet. For all the long sectors that exist now, short sectors will be around the corner in due time. I've done 2 hr flights with JQ and none of the crew have stopped - and that's with a paid service. Nothing to do with management, and everything to do with the nature of people in general. Daily duty hours limitations will be the key...and six sectors can be fitted in with remarkable ease, especially with our fave word 'delays'.
MEL-PER-MEL, followed by a BNE return maybe? What protections exist for crew to pick up additional sectors if something goes u/s? Curious, more than anything.
And, then of course, this golden statement:
Yes...what fantastic laws they are. With Tiger, and recently Jetstar International, putting their crew onto AWA's, their conditions of employment are LESS than those of sister carriers (ie. Jetstar Domestic). Less sick leave, lower salaries, less overtime, etc.
If you look at QF and MAM, we have casuals in this industry who clamber like refugees for the chance of full time employment. Sad, but very true.
Yeah - brave new world. So much for moving forward, when you have crew moving backward.
Good luck to those who take up the opportunity. You might just need it.
Based on what people have said here, and you yourself, would you please enlighten me as to the following:
Regarding Tiger's AWA:
"I have... i am stating what i have read.. and to me it looks considerable better and fairer than what i have been on before.
YES .. virgin... Qantas.... ansett..... and an overseas carrier.. "
YES .. virgin... Qantas.... ansett..... and an overseas carrier.. "
If Tiger (notice how I'm using IF here) is proposing 1 hr callout, only 10 days sick leave, 6 sectors is the case...then how do you arrive at the conclusion that these conditions are considerably better and fairer than the other airlines?? If anything - considerably LESS than the established airlines, and newer low cost airlines.
As for your comments on sick pay:
"Sick Pay AT LAST ... some of us don't even get a day sick pay, so for me ten days is a blessing.... Also , i don't get this flight attendant mentality.. of getting sick all the time... i have had one bad flu in 4 years... note... take on some vitamins.... eat some fresh food.. and look after yourself..."
Flight attendant 'mentality' of getting sick? Gee - I don't know. Could have something to do with the fact you're locked in a metal tube, with recycled air for hours on end, with 170 of your closest friends who insist on flying sick themselves because they paid $1 for their airfare, and they're not giving it up!
I've taken about 15 days sick leave over the past 12 months, primarily because I cannot fly with blocked ears (no one should of course). If I worked on the ground, in an office, it would be a very different story. But given the vagaries of our odd work environment, we have higher sick leave for a very good reason. Congrats to you if you're able to avoid respiratory illnesses. Beware the time when you may need to take more than 10 days off, of course. Never say never in this game.
Re: sectors of flying (I nearly fell off my seat at the thought of 6, I must add)...
"No time to eat? Please... show me a flight attendant that does not get a chance to eat and i'll show you a skinny flight attendant.. It's a paid service .. which i have done before.. this is not a premium service.. so let's calculate this...... flight to Perth... 3.40 hours... If you can't squeeze in a half hour meal break.. you 1. can't organise crew.. or 2 don't have a clue what you are doing.... Also this is not going to be a syd return airline .. this is not city flyer.. can you please tell me what sectors we will be able to fit in ... for a 1,2,3,4,5,6 flight day! (by the way i put that in for you seemings you find it easier to count out the numerical detail! )"
MEL-PER-MEL, followed by a BNE return maybe? What protections exist for crew to pick up additional sectors if something goes u/s? Curious, more than anything.
And, then of course, this golden statement:
"Hence the new laws that john howard has put in place."
If you look at QF and MAM, we have casuals in this industry who clamber like refugees for the chance of full time employment. Sad, but very true.
Yeah - brave new world. So much for moving forward, when you have crew moving backward.
Good luck to those who take up the opportunity. You might just need it.
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roar....
well the tiger roar is certainly going on isn't it.
Bransons bitch I am with you. You have a realistic approach to all this. Unfortunately many flight attendants are just constant whiners and whingers. Lets just take it back a step, back to the real world! 9-5 mon-fri same old boring desk job, and probably earning about $30000-$38000. Not something I would want to be doing!
Unfortunately this industry is full of know it alls, and people who compare salaries and working conditions. If you are not working for Tiger, why do you care so much about the conditions? There is nothing you can do to stop it, and i can tell you that the rest of you will be on similar very soon. Tiger have implemented these, Virgin and JQ will follow! Nature of the industry.
Onlyemirates, why don't you go back and continue to 'recruit' (as you put it) for EK.
Mrseatback your comments are concerns are appreciated, however you are not talking to teenagers. Everyone here is an adult, and can make their own decision about who/where/what/when. No one has a gun put to their head to sign an AWA. Leave them be! You won't be working there, so what is it to you!
Oh thats right I completely forgot, typical insecure flight attendants need to know everyone else's business! Silly me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bransons bitch I am with you. You have a realistic approach to all this. Unfortunately many flight attendants are just constant whiners and whingers. Lets just take it back a step, back to the real world! 9-5 mon-fri same old boring desk job, and probably earning about $30000-$38000. Not something I would want to be doing!
Unfortunately this industry is full of know it alls, and people who compare salaries and working conditions. If you are not working for Tiger, why do you care so much about the conditions? There is nothing you can do to stop it, and i can tell you that the rest of you will be on similar very soon. Tiger have implemented these, Virgin and JQ will follow! Nature of the industry.
Onlyemirates, why don't you go back and continue to 'recruit' (as you put it) for EK.
Mrseatback your comments are concerns are appreciated, however you are not talking to teenagers. Everyone here is an adult, and can make their own decision about who/where/what/when. No one has a gun put to their head to sign an AWA. Leave them be! You won't be working there, so what is it to you!
Oh thats right I completely forgot, typical insecure flight attendants need to know everyone else's business! Silly me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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hey.. when tiger were first talking about starting up they said they'd have 2 bases. Melbournes obviously one.. does anyone know where the 2nd would be? obviously will wait till they've got their feet on the ground but would like to know if anyone does. cheers
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galley hag /Per210 etc
Galley hag says it all, took the words straight out my mouth love
Well said!
PER210
Tiger seems to have a lot of roar but no grunt
They keep on saying what they are going to do but I really think Tiger will just cut their losses and simply be another OZJET. They are much better off using the 5 A/c they have allocated for Oz to other Asian routes.
There is certainly room in Australia for another budget airline but Tiger is all promises and no facts.
If Tiger was serious about the Oz market they would have simply offered pretty much the same conditions as the other low cost carrier and maybe added a perk here and there. What they have done is try to come into the market with less than fare conditions, so chat rooms have got ahold of their style already and cutting up like mince meat.
I would expect Tiger to fold pretty much within 6 months of start up ( unless their main objective is to get into the pacific route ) whereby they could sustain a loss for say a few years, and just run the airline and treat the employees like ****. Do you really want to be a part of that?
If a low cost carrier came into Australia with good conditions and treated employees well they would laugh all the way to the bank
Well said!
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Tiger seems to have a lot of roar but no grunt
They keep on saying what they are going to do but I really think Tiger will just cut their losses and simply be another OZJET. They are much better off using the 5 A/c they have allocated for Oz to other Asian routes.
There is certainly room in Australia for another budget airline but Tiger is all promises and no facts.
If Tiger was serious about the Oz market they would have simply offered pretty much the same conditions as the other low cost carrier and maybe added a perk here and there. What they have done is try to come into the market with less than fare conditions, so chat rooms have got ahold of their style already and cutting up like mince meat.
I would expect Tiger to fold pretty much within 6 months of start up ( unless their main objective is to get into the pacific route ) whereby they could sustain a loss for say a few years, and just run the airline and treat the employees like ****. Do you really want to be a part of that?
If a low cost carrier came into Australia with good conditions and treated employees well they would laugh all the way to the bank
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Originally Posted by MsTiger
Lets just take it back a step, back to the real world! 9-5 mon-fri same old boring desk job, and probably earning about $30000-$38000. Not something I would want to be doing!