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Hopefully they will try and keep the majority of BA ground staff on but I couldn't say for sure what they will do.
With Flybe and BACON merging (if it is signed) will flybe not need to keep the current BA ground staff as well as there current ones due to flybe needing staff for the increase in operations?
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Most of the Operation jobs for flybe are in Exter ??
I do not think the ground staff in Bhx want to work for Swiss Port for less than they currently earn with less benefits. It will require a decent incentive.
The deal has not yet been signed. Pensions is the lastest hurdle.
I do not think the ground staff in Bhx want to work for Swiss Port for less than they currently earn with less benefits. It will require a decent incentive.
The deal has not yet been signed. Pensions is the lastest hurdle.
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Just want the slots? Somehow I was led to believe that FlyBE actually was interested in making money? The IOM LGW and INV LGW routes were the two most profitable routes BAConnect had. Despite the fact that so many of the passengers were onward travel and thus contributed only a small part of their yield to the route. The courier revenue that the IOM route carries would put many a current FlyBE route to shame too. INV carries a lot of seasonal tourists, as well as many busines folk too. Simply looking at them like that is missing the point.
FlyBE's discontinued LCY route from the Island was dropped because it couldn't dent the Manx/BACX London passenger figures enough. It did hurt a bit, but was survivable at the time. BA have swapped the suitable aircraft for a dog, not bothered to advertise, promote or protect the route at all over the years, and still it makes solid money and holds the company up.
Of course, you could be right. Would be a great pity though.
FlyBE's discontinued LCY route from the Island was dropped because it couldn't dent the Manx/BACX London passenger figures enough. It did hurt a bit, but was survivable at the time. BA have swapped the suitable aircraft for a dog, not bothered to advertise, promote or protect the route at all over the years, and still it makes solid money and holds the company up.
Of course, you could be right. Would be a great pity though.
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Given the weather prevalent at both the IOM and INV, I certainly hope a pair of Trousers becomes added soon!
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Dear TeaAnyone21,
Latest rumour is you guys may not come into our crew room until it's been re-modelled and has your check in system installed. One of our PM's took down the club europe boards from the corridor today or so I've been told. On days off so not been in to check, anyone anymore real info?
Everyone getting anxious, according to pilots threads, looks like a lot of unhappy folk out there!
Your Manager has been telling crew on the welcome to flybe courses that he's 'gonna work you girls hard this summer, you won't get many days off'! Sounds a right charmer-NOT! Was this the same guy you said was Ok in a previous post? Or is it someone else? Older guy, says he's a regional manager, is that like our cabin crew base managers???
Starting to get concerned this outfit may not be what they say on the packet??
Latest rumour is you guys may not come into our crew room until it's been re-modelled and has your check in system installed. One of our PM's took down the club europe boards from the corridor today or so I've been told. On days off so not been in to check, anyone anymore real info?
Everyone getting anxious, according to pilots threads, looks like a lot of unhappy folk out there!
Your Manager has been telling crew on the welcome to flybe courses that he's 'gonna work you girls hard this summer, you won't get many days off'! Sounds a right charmer-NOT! Was this the same guy you said was Ok in a previous post? Or is it someone else? Older guy, says he's a regional manager, is that like our cabin crew base managers???
Starting to get concerned this outfit may not be what they say on the packet??
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Apparently the Flybe girls have been asking for trousers for years, but the top brass have said over their dead bodies. So the BACON ladies will just have to get used to chilly legs, like the rest of us
I do Cabin Crew recruitment at easyjet as well as fly, I was talking to recruitment today and they were saying the current pilots coming through for recruitment are BACON. BACON, BACON, BACON, BACON, BACON. BACON, BACON, BACON, BACON.
Starting to get concerned this outfit may not be what they say on the packet??
Oh on a good note I had a BACON groung staff girl from BRS at the cabin crew recruitment day, she was lovely. She was also saying how no one knows a thing, and how the mood is
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Notice to Crews No. 4
May I congratulate all contributors to this thread for their positive and enthusiastic reaction to the merger/takeover. Can any of you explain why the pilots thread is so different, with so much harsh language and criticism wafting between Flybe and BACON personnel?
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I was there 6 years and the trouser issue was always being brought up, and as you know No Trousers, so EmmaB your spot on there.
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So BA are considered 'lo cost' then??
Emma B,
Bit of a worry is my reaction to your post, as BA have had trousers for a couple of years, since the introduction of the Julian McDonald uniform. The more I find out about the company I am now joining the more anxious I become.
I don't think it's because our customers associate trousers with lo cost, I believe it's simply an old fashioned view of cabin crew as ,and I REALLY hate this phrase, 'trolley dollies'. Perhaps its a reality when you have male pilots in senior management roles. They like to see the girlies legs!! Another example of the differences between BACON and Flybe, which I really hope we can change.
I know this may get some reaction from flybe pilots, but having positioned on several flybe flights over the last year, I have yet to hear a Captain introduce his crew other than "My cabin crew are Jo and Sally", not Jo Brown and Sally White. Yes I know our pilots sometimes fall into the same trap, but the majority at least give the purser recognition and respect by using their surnames.
A clear example of this is the attitude to name badges. BA prefer that the in charge crew members introduce themselves using surnames and to encourage the recognition, they have them on their name badges. eg: 'Purser Jane Bloggs'
'Senior Crew Member Jane' is all flybe have, Talk about Lo Cost! I was speaking to one of our PM's the other day and was told even they don't have their rank recognised in a badge, so simply have something like the above!
Our nice and longest serving PM is leaving us mid march, I really must ask him what he thinks about that.
Still, let's hope we can all learn from each other as the months go by.
And incidentally if you read PPrune IM, we will all miss you, you are a super bloke!
PS: sorry if this has turned into a minor rant, but believe me folks, it's minor compared to the stuff on the pilots thread, sounds like us cabin crew will all have to go on a charm offensive to ease the transition !! However if all they had to worry about was name badges and trousers, I'm sure they would all be happier!!
PPS: If senior Flybe cabin crew managment read this, perhaps you can sort the trouser situation in the new uniform when it comes??
Bit of a worry is my reaction to your post, as BA have had trousers for a couple of years, since the introduction of the Julian McDonald uniform. The more I find out about the company I am now joining the more anxious I become.
I don't think it's because our customers associate trousers with lo cost, I believe it's simply an old fashioned view of cabin crew as ,and I REALLY hate this phrase, 'trolley dollies'. Perhaps its a reality when you have male pilots in senior management roles. They like to see the girlies legs!! Another example of the differences between BACON and Flybe, which I really hope we can change.
I know this may get some reaction from flybe pilots, but having positioned on several flybe flights over the last year, I have yet to hear a Captain introduce his crew other than "My cabin crew are Jo and Sally", not Jo Brown and Sally White. Yes I know our pilots sometimes fall into the same trap, but the majority at least give the purser recognition and respect by using their surnames.
A clear example of this is the attitude to name badges. BA prefer that the in charge crew members introduce themselves using surnames and to encourage the recognition, they have them on their name badges. eg: 'Purser Jane Bloggs'
'Senior Crew Member Jane' is all flybe have, Talk about Lo Cost! I was speaking to one of our PM's the other day and was told even they don't have their rank recognised in a badge, so simply have something like the above!
Our nice and longest serving PM is leaving us mid march, I really must ask him what he thinks about that.
Still, let's hope we can all learn from each other as the months go by.
And incidentally if you read PPrune IM, we will all miss you, you are a super bloke!
PS: sorry if this has turned into a minor rant, but believe me folks, it's minor compared to the stuff on the pilots thread, sounds like us cabin crew will all have to go on a charm offensive to ease the transition !! However if all they had to worry about was name badges and trousers, I'm sure they would all be happier!!
PPS: If senior Flybe cabin crew managment read this, perhaps you can sort the trouser situation in the new uniform when it comes??
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I think you'll find the desire to wear trousers is nothnig to do with style, appearance in front of customers, etc. But most definitely due to the inclement weather suffered by one and all in the Northwest. You'll find the majority of Pilots really unhappy if they can't wear a hat for exactly the same reason too.
Practicality is the issue, that and retaining some body heat in 50mph rain squalls! I have the deepest respect for my colleagues who work behind me in the cabin, and their wellbeing and health are very important to me, as is the way I would describe them in PA's. That respect will continue no matter what the colour and style of the uniform though. The old BA uniform had trousers too didn't it? Manx winter kit had long black skirt like trousers too I seem to remember. I apologise if the memory is missing, but I've been on the 146 for too long and the organophosphates are getting to me.....
Practicality is the issue, that and retaining some body heat in 50mph rain squalls! I have the deepest respect for my colleagues who work behind me in the cabin, and their wellbeing and health are very important to me, as is the way I would describe them in PA's. That respect will continue no matter what the colour and style of the uniform though. The old BA uniform had trousers too didn't it? Manx winter kit had long black skirt like trousers too I seem to remember. I apologise if the memory is missing, but I've been on the 146 for too long and the organophosphates are getting to me.....
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Can any of you explain why the pilots thread is so different, with so much harsh language and criticism wafting between Flybe and BACON personnel?
The prospect of eventially being forced back onto the dash which is again a career bashing move. There are many more but I won't bore you.
Have a look at what you guys are worrie about on this thread , not being able to wear trousers - oh, the hardship, eh !!! Whats that other major point, oh yes , surnames on name badges - the other mark of a good airline !!!!!
Geezz, you guys need to smell the coffee and realise this is not going to be a walk in the park !!!!!!!!!!!
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Maybe i'm mad??
I have just spent a good while reading what people have to say about the possibly impending Flybe/BA Connect merger........a lot of you out there will probably think i'm nuts but I have seen that Flybe are recruiting for Southampton base for Cabin Crew - just wondering about how it is to work for Flybe as considering applying.........rosters, average take home pay etc - I flew for 6 years then gave it up 3 yrs ago, just can't settle to the 9-5 so thats why i'm considering it - I know this is prob not the best time to join with all the changes going on but hey, you only live once. Any info greatly appreciated, thanks!
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Regarding the trousers for female crew couldnt the BACX crew stick together and force flybe to bring them into the uniform ?