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I have been told that pay office was Thursday and Friday fielding calls asking :
1) how do I terminate check off to T&G?
2) how do I transfer to Amicus?
Clever that! Same union in May 07. Still, shows BASSA persuasion / intimidation on wain.
1) how do I terminate check off to T&G?
2) how do I transfer to Amicus?
Clever that! Same union in May 07. Still, shows BASSA persuasion / intimidation on wain.
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What I cannot understand is that this situation has been made a mountain out of a molehill. Why can't the management just accept!
My view is the right one, cos I say it is, and I is a stewardess, so there!
Until BA gets rid of this precious attitude amongst some of its CC, whereby if you dare to disagree with them on any point then you are automatically in the wrong - and you only said it because you don't understand them / hate them / are jealous of them / got turned down for CC - then there is sod all chance of a meaningful dialogue or negotiated settlement with them.
Whilst some may have talents and qualifications that could earn them more money in other fields, the fact remains that 2 "O" levels and a few weeks training are all that are required of them, and the vast majority could not earn anything like the levels of remuneration they receive in BA.
Cabin service standards are slipping, with the increasingly prevelant attitude of "sling the meals out and retire to the bunks as fast as possible" becoming ever more commented on by those who pay their wages.
They are being led into a battle they can't win, by a union that cares little about anyone other than senior long-haul CC grades at LHR.
BA did not arrange this battle in order to lose it, a point that seems lost on many cabin crew as they ponder why the airline is being sooo nasty and beastly to them.
The inexorable march to the edge of the cliff continues.
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I agree that it is improper to raise the subject on duty. If, however, it is raised by CC then that is different, athough it is better to defer discussions until off-duty downroute. Indeed, it would be almost unbelievable not to discuss the biggest single issue that the company faces.
At the same time, I would not expect my colleagues or them to expect me to issue platitudes but to voice opinions that are held. They may well be diametrically opposed to those held by my CC colleagues, and vice versa. So long as the debate is conducted in the right manner (ie not a screaming lecture, or refusing to listen to counter views), everyone has to accept that and deal with it in any free society.
My personal opinion is that there are personailty issues and the overall relationship between BA and BASSA will need honest arbitration after this is over to get away from the parent-child relationship that has existed for too long. BA undoubtedly are the deaf parent and BASSA the petulant child in their pram with lots of toys. What needs to be recognised is that both sides can gain more by working together than by continual bickering.
Also to be recognised is that the company have chosen the timing of this dispute (BASSA may like to think they have by holding a ballot, but ask yourself about the behavioural patterns beforehand that have forced the BASSA hand). The timings are all in BA's favour; low time of year, just after Xmas and no pay since before Xmas, cabin crew with big Xmas credit card bills to pay - Feb pay could be much reduced if strike happens.
No, as I see it, BA are running rings around BASSA on the publicity front and the CC have no public support at all. However, the T&G and BA have both to find a way out, and both sides have to come out able to proclaim some sort of victory. Who gains what we will have to wait and see.
As I said before, after this is over, a 3rd party will have to get BA and BASSA around the table after analysing the relationship and formulate a plan to move forward. For sure the relationship cannot remain as it is. After the 1996 near-strike by the pilots, People-in-Business, iirc, were brought in to do the same job for BALPA/BA. I know that there are still many issues between BALPA and BA, but I believe in the immediate aftermath of 1996 it served a useful purpose.
The difference is, of course, that BALPA have always proved to be open to reasoned debate and had a management who accepted that they were needed.
BASSA/T&G have not proved, imho, open to reasoned debate and as a result the BA management won't play ball. The big question therefore is, can they both accept the challenge of the 21st Century and cabn BASSA regenerate themselves from a 1970's style TU?
At the same time, I would not expect my colleagues or them to expect me to issue platitudes but to voice opinions that are held. They may well be diametrically opposed to those held by my CC colleagues, and vice versa. So long as the debate is conducted in the right manner (ie not a screaming lecture, or refusing to listen to counter views), everyone has to accept that and deal with it in any free society.
My personal opinion is that there are personailty issues and the overall relationship between BA and BASSA will need honest arbitration after this is over to get away from the parent-child relationship that has existed for too long. BA undoubtedly are the deaf parent and BASSA the petulant child in their pram with lots of toys. What needs to be recognised is that both sides can gain more by working together than by continual bickering.
Also to be recognised is that the company have chosen the timing of this dispute (BASSA may like to think they have by holding a ballot, but ask yourself about the behavioural patterns beforehand that have forced the BASSA hand). The timings are all in BA's favour; low time of year, just after Xmas and no pay since before Xmas, cabin crew with big Xmas credit card bills to pay - Feb pay could be much reduced if strike happens.
No, as I see it, BA are running rings around BASSA on the publicity front and the CC have no public support at all. However, the T&G and BA have both to find a way out, and both sides have to come out able to proclaim some sort of victory. Who gains what we will have to wait and see.
As I said before, after this is over, a 3rd party will have to get BA and BASSA around the table after analysing the relationship and formulate a plan to move forward. For sure the relationship cannot remain as it is. After the 1996 near-strike by the pilots, People-in-Business, iirc, were brought in to do the same job for BALPA/BA. I know that there are still many issues between BALPA and BA, but I believe in the immediate aftermath of 1996 it served a useful purpose.
The difference is, of course, that BALPA have always proved to be open to reasoned debate and had a management who accepted that they were needed.
BASSA/T&G have not proved, imho, open to reasoned debate and as a result the BA management won't play ball. The big question therefore is, can they both accept the challenge of the 21st Century and cabn BASSA regenerate themselves from a 1970's style TU?
Please re-read post no. 206
As a sector based, but not-BA person, I do hope that CC are reading post 206. Blackace is spot-on.
I do hope you resolve it before post 206 is brought in!
I do hope you resolve it before post 206 is brought in!
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BA Strike
Well done guys for standing your ground! Seems like a win win situation has been resolved!!! And as the union said Cabin Crew are getting the respect about what a great job you do and how much we are the Airline. Wish Qantas would do the same!!
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It certainly is a win-win situation. A win for Willie Walsh and a win for Simon Talling-Smith. There is nothing on the table that wasn't there a month ago. A review of EG300 was already scheduled. The pension offer was the one the pilots negotiated. The pay rise has been self funded by removal of a purser and not backdating any rises to October 2006 as was due. Respect? This whole tawdry affair has made the crew the laughing stock of the airline. They have been marched up the hill by their reps, pilloried in the press as lazy, militant, greedy malingerers and at the end they've all been marched back down again with nothing new except a bus service at the weekend for commuters.
Some victory.
Some victory.
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Where are you guys getting your information from? I've looked on the BASSA website, but they've not really posted anything much about what they have actually agreed to. I'm a little worried to say the least. When are they gonna tell us what has been agreed???
So let me get it straight, they still ARE going to take the purser off the upper deck???? Oh dear...
So let me get it straight, they still ARE going to take the purser off the upper deck???? Oh dear...
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Sarah, as far as I am aware, The purser may not be removed from the upper-deck. Somewhere else. Maybe.
NOTHING is set in stone, BASSA needs the majority approval from its members to accept ANY changes to agreements.
NOTHING is set in stone, BASSA needs the majority approval from its members to accept ANY changes to agreements.
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The Stasi have shut down the BASSA forum because people were questioning their sell out. You have got:
A review of EG300, but nothing too substantive.
Four new non-pensionsalbe pay points for LHR new contract, paid for by not backdating your pay deal and losing the 4th purser
The commuter bus back
A large supply of white flags (sorry made that one up)
All info available via ESS mail or the BASSA forum when they've had time to censor the criticism and spin the capitulation into a victory. Anyway, wasn't this supposed to be "Victory Day" on the BASSA forum?
PS You aren't getting a vote on it. Tony Woodley and Duncan Holley have made it clear this is the final offer. There's nothing left for you to vote on.
A review of EG300, but nothing too substantive.
Four new non-pensionsalbe pay points for LHR new contract, paid for by not backdating your pay deal and losing the 4th purser
The commuter bus back
A large supply of white flags (sorry made that one up)
All info available via ESS mail or the BASSA forum when they've had time to censor the criticism and spin the capitulation into a victory. Anyway, wasn't this supposed to be "Victory Day" on the BASSA forum?
PS You aren't getting a vote on it. Tony Woodley and Duncan Holley have made it clear this is the final offer. There's nothing left for you to vote on.
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Anything that is on the table has to be agreed upon by the majority of BASSA members.
Bassa stated to BA (many months ago), that anything imposed would automatically result in a walk out by its members.
Bassa stated to BA (many months ago), that anything imposed would automatically result in a walk out by its members.
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Purser gone off upper deck
The Purser absolutely has gone from the upper deck as of Sept. 07. If anyone is in doubt, please check on ESS.
It seems that BA have gotten exactly what they want and the few minor changes will make no impact on BA's operation.
For any post 97 crew with high hopes of a big pay rise, forget it. It was never going to happen anyway. Personally, I think a basic of £18600 is fair.
I'm pleased this crisis didn't reach pitch fever as I do believe that blackace is also completely SPOT ON with this info. We, the crew would have lost anyway. I'm new contract myself, but I don't believe this strike would have solved any problems. Just being realistic I guess.
It seems that BA have gotten exactly what they want and the few minor changes will make no impact on BA's operation.
For any post 97 crew with high hopes of a big pay rise, forget it. It was never going to happen anyway. Personally, I think a basic of £18600 is fair.
I'm pleased this crisis didn't reach pitch fever as I do believe that blackace is also completely SPOT ON with this info. We, the crew would have lost anyway. I'm new contract myself, but I don't believe this strike would have solved any problems. Just being realistic I guess.
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I hope I don't get shot down for this, but if they have put new incriments into the new entrant pay scale, upto £18600 that's not too bad, and I don't feel too bad about them taking the purser off the upper deck because to my knowledge, doesn't a junior purser start on £17000 basic anyway, therefore they may have made it so it'll take longer to get promoted, but at least our pay will still be the same or better than if we got purser anyway. Just wondering now though, what happens to all the pursers? Surely we're gonna have an excess of them??? Will they just work down a grade? Does that mean less trips for everbody therefore less money and more 24 hour availables?
I'm not totally sure about what I'm saying though, so I hope I've got the right end of the stick. Have to say, the way it stands at the moment I'm still more than slightly dissapointed about the purser thing. Glad we didn't have to strike though. Let's see what comes forth in the next few days!
I'm not totally sure about what I'm saying though, so I hope I've got the right end of the stick. Have to say, the way it stands at the moment I'm still more than slightly dissapointed about the purser thing. Glad we didn't have to strike though. Let's see what comes forth in the next few days!
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yes lgw are getting the 4.6% pay rice but not the incriments what have bassa done for lgw not much looks like we have lost the breakfast extra 11p on the hourly pay
what have bassa done for lgw not much looks like we have lost the breakfast extra 11p on the hourly pay
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Oh dear! BA crews have been shaf*** good and proper and have been sold off cheaply by their union - of which 2 reps resigned over what they see as a poor deal. More importantly well over 1,000 crew went sick yesterday (Monday) prior to 'the' announcement - that 96.1% YES vote was therefore all show.
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For those LHR crew who are worried about the purser removed on the 747 and the longer wait for promotion, here's a suggestion... why don't you pop down to SFLGW for a while (we are NSP after all now) and get your promotion that way? If it was that important to you, you could do it. 
(Gasps of shock and horror and growling in the background)
(Gasps of shock and horror and growling in the background)