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Old 28th Nov 2007, 06:45
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Another saucer of milk required me thinks!!
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Old 29th Nov 2007, 21:40
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I believe he was on leave during the TBS incident. But in the end, you have a company here that tried to put someone with a broken pelvis in a business class seat back to the UK after they cancelled our insurance and they did not want to medevac the crew member out of the country. I just don't think they realise what they have taken on and before anyone says it, Saudi Arabia is a completely different ball game when you compare it to Kazakhstan and Iran! Let's not forget that we are also being paid short haul flight pay for routes that are longer than the Saudi long haul.

A lot of things are grinding my gears but is it not better to share and discuss?
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Old 29th Nov 2007, 22:12
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Almaty,according to BMI is short haul!?
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Old 30th Nov 2007, 10:41
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As I recall the Midhaul Security Manager (who's area of responsibility this is) is the former BMED security manager is he not?

Well,If it´s the same "Security Manager" who wrongly accused a female crew member of shoplifting and had her sacked,then I would´nt expect much!!
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Old 30th Nov 2007, 12:52
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Almaty,according to BMI is short haul!?
Unfortunately, it is the CAA that place the Almaty duty into Short haul. Bmi are only exploiting the rules.

And no, I don't agree with it either.

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Old 30th Nov 2007, 14:20
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Unfortunately, it is the CAA that place the Almaty duty into Short haul. Bmi are only exploiting the rules.

And no, I don't agree with it either.
It is only because it is a two sector trip and each sector comes in under 7 hours that they can use that set of rules. If BMI did it in one with an A330 the hours would just go over 7 hours I would guess.
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Old 30th Nov 2007, 17:41
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And pay Long Haul allowances!!.Very important to the guys and gals in the cabin
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Old 1st Dec 2007, 00:00
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It is only because it is a two sector trip and each sector comes in under 7 hours that they can use that set of rules. If BMI did it in one with an A330 the hours would just go over 7 hours I would guess.
But they don't so the rules apply. If and when an a/c goes direct to Almaty and it takes more than 7 hrs then L/H allowances will apply. Bmi fly to Cairo and Moscow as a there and back 2 sector day, so working on your theory as the flying time is longer than 7 hrs irrespective of sectors should L/H allowances be paid? If you think so; then what about every other crew member who flies domestic routes for every S/H airline in the UK that regularly flies longer flying times every single day, should they be classed as long haul?

I am not trying to provoke an arguement, I am suggesting that we are clouding the issue with the distance from the UK that you get off the a/c at the end of your shift with that of how hard crew work on a day to day basis.

In my opinion the case for being paid L/H allowances is simply this. The longer that you are away from home you should be reimbursed for that time away from your kith and kin. There should be a financial benefit for you to be away that long.

Although on the Bmed bmi merger, I don't think that covers the whole issue. One of the issues that he ex bmed crew are having to come to terms with is this; when you have a L/H lifestyle you can live a long way from your base so your money can go further. The facts are you had a L/H lifestyle due to roster patterns but technically you were a S/H carrier so now you have been exposed to the S/H world that many of us are, and have been for many years working within, and it hurts. You commuters are having to come to terms with the company you trusted to allow you to continue to have the life you had, is gone.

I don't know how you deal with it. I hope that you assess your new found position and make a balanced judgement and not a reaction.

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Old 1st Dec 2007, 19:50
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But they don't so the rules apply. If and when an a/c goes direct to Almaty and it takes more than 7 hrs then L/H allowances will apply. Bmi fly to Cairo and Moscow as a there and back 2 sector day, so working on your theory as the flying time is longer than 7 hrs irrespective of sectors should L/H allowances be paid? If you think so; then what about every other crew member who flies domestic routes for every S/H airline in the UK that regularly flies longer flying times every single day, should they be classed as long haul?
I was only explaining the point about how they can use the CAA rules to their advantage, I wasn't getting into the debate about allowances one way or another.
Yes Moscow and backs are longer than 7 hours but the sectors are still under 7 hours for the purposes of CAP 371 FDP calculation.
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Old 1st Dec 2007, 20:43
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Flapsfullretard

"for those that stay, welcome and look forward to working with you all; its not perfect but the pay is good and there is a lot lot lot worse...try charter!"

Errm at least 10 days off a month? haha you stuck up little twit!
try at least 14 days off per month - doing only short haul doing long haul it is much more!

oh and as for 5 days off down route doing no work... try anything upto 10 with my company... and yes we are profitable and yes bigger than your three(baby,regional&mainline) airlines combined....

but hey ho.... try charter... I think we have it far easier than BMI- rosters a lot more stable havent had the company change my roster since Aug unlike my friends at BMI!
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Old 2nd Dec 2007, 01:18
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You are quite right. They do use the rules to suite themselves! Which airline doesn't?

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Old 3rd Dec 2007, 02:12
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get together

Hi everyone, I am one of the old guard at Bmed and like everyone else I am sad it is all over. but anyway, life goes on, we are now at BMI, and I think we can be a force for good here. There are a few things that we managed to slowly change at Bmed and I don't see why we cannot do the same at BMI. these are small changes that should not cost anything to the airline and that provides us with small improvements in our job satisfaction. Being able to request some trips from time to time is one. Resting in the cabin during a long duty is another one. I am sure there must be a few more we can all think of. And then there are other changes to address and rectify, like the loss of our medical insurance or not being paid anything when you are doing ground training, both things that a company in robust financial shape like BMI could easily offer to its employees but will not due to tight fistedness.
At the end of the day it is down to us to organize ourselves and fight for what we think we deserve. Everybody thinks of BA as the holy grail for cabin crew, but if things are good there it is because they have a strong union that fights for them, and the union is just a sum of its members. We need to contact and support our union reps and make sure they represent us properly, and if they don't we will have to change them. In this business we are in it is difficult to keep in touch and we all make the mistake of going home and forgetting about everything, but now thanks to the internet it should be a lot easier to keep in touch and participate. So far everyone at BMI has been very nice, and you get the feeling the poor things have been so busy flying around (or applying for other jobs) that they have not had the chance to stop and think if things could ever be different. We know different, and can be the leading force for change. Let me know what you think of this and please any comments or suggestions will be very much appreciated. Safe flying to everyone.
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Old 3rd Dec 2007, 22:59
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gettogether

ATHOMEABROAD!

here's a sensible post!
I totally agree with you.
Let's get together and let's get this union to do something for us. As you say, some of the improvements don't cost anything to bmi.
So far though, I had the impression that things are set in stone at bmi and there is no willingness to accept changes.
Someone has been told by one of the managers 'I'm sorry to hear how you feel and I will understand if you will consider other options'!!!!!!!!!
And I have heard myself several times 'That's the way it is' !!

That says a lot!
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Old 4th Dec 2007, 10:44
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I was told 'well this is how we do it here, you'll have to get used it' in regards to the forward galley packing (i.e. tumblers above the ovens etc..)... a month in and they have already changed it. They are penetrable!

I agree, people power is the way forward!
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