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I just had an idea for a business venture.Seeing that there are a lot of people that are applying for J* and VB lets start our own employment service and undercut MAM.
We could supply crew to the airlines and pay back MA who once was on the union and we get paid to do it. There seems to be no end of people who want fly so supply woulde be no problem.
Ifr we don't do it MAM gets all the business.
We could call it ...wait for it...
Flight Attendants Recruiting Crew.....and the acronym would be...FARC
We could supply crew to the airlines and pay back MA who once was on the union and we get paid to do it. There seems to be no end of people who want fly so supply woulde be no problem.
Ifr we don't do it MAM gets all the business.
We could call it ...wait for it...
Flight Attendants Recruiting Crew.....and the acronym would be...FARC
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bid for qf
private equity firms buy out a company, restructure and rip out costs.
they are usually highly leveraged (mortgaged to the hilt).
bulk management would go, salaries and wages cut then about 5
years later offered up as an ipo...back on stock market.
these guys make dixon look like a beginner and while management
would cop it in the neck so would we
as my croation grandfather says "be careful what u wish for..."
they are usually highly leveraged (mortgaged to the hilt).
bulk management would go, salaries and wages cut then about 5
years later offered up as an ipo...back on stock market.
these guys make dixon look like a beginner and while management
would cop it in the neck so would we
as my croation grandfather says "be careful what u wish for..."
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MEL Long Haul Base Closure?
Hey Team, 
Have heard through grapevine from a Long Term Visitor at QCC1, that there are strong plans to close the LH base in Melbourne, in similar fashion to how Perth LH was executed. Is linked with AKL base gaining CSM & CSS positions and taking over MEL-LAX pattern.
Can anyone else see the smoke?
Have heard through grapevine from a Long Term Visitor at QCC1, that there are strong plans to close the LH base in Melbourne, in similar fashion to how Perth LH was executed. Is linked with AKL base gaining CSM & CSS positions and taking over MEL-LAX pattern.
Can anyone else see the smoke?
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MAM Casual to QF
Hey guys...
I just curious im workin in the hospitality industry and earnin around 60 a year.. I really would love to work with mam to get the feelin and the experience but ... i was wonderin in the long term would it be possible to get full time with qantas?
when they recruit do they recruit from the mam pool?
well thanks in advance
I just curious im workin in the hospitality industry and earnin around 60 a year.. I really would love to work with mam to get the feelin and the experience but ... i was wonderin in the long term would it be possible to get full time with qantas?
when they recruit do they recruit from the mam pool?
well thanks in advance
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Mel Base Closure
If a vistor has given you credible information that the Melbourne base is closing i would suggest that you immediately go to Taranto or Webster and advise them who gave you the information.
If its a lie, then the visitor will be sacked on the spot. I doubt however that the information is correct or that one of the visitors has revealed that info.
AND... i dont know if you are a flight attendant or just one who has made only one post here to cause further job insecurity and concern.
You can private message me the details of who said what if you like and i will verify the authenticity of the information by identifying the source to the FAAA if you are too afraid to reveal which vistor said it on here.
Over to you..put up or shut up
If its a lie, then the visitor will be sacked on the spot. I doubt however that the information is correct or that one of the visitors has revealed that info.
AND... i dont know if you are a flight attendant or just one who has made only one post here to cause further job insecurity and concern.
You can private message me the details of who said what if you like and i will verify the authenticity of the information by identifying the source to the FAAA if you are too afraid to reveal which vistor said it on here.
Over to you..put up or shut up
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oneworldairline,
as per the agreement with the FAAA and QF, there is the permanent employment of 40 fulltime crew to join the mainline SH ranks and these crew are to come from QantasLink, Jetstar and MAM Casuals. Most probably based in PER (the last ones have been).
Defcom - if someone on here asks a question just answer it without the emotion. Or zip it.
as per the agreement with the FAAA and QF, there is the permanent employment of 40 fulltime crew to join the mainline SH ranks and these crew are to come from QantasLink, Jetstar and MAM Casuals. Most probably based in PER (the last ones have been).
Defcom - if someone on here asks a question just answer it without the emotion. Or zip it.
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Bad Adventures
Sydney S/H is correct - Part 4 section 23 of the JQ EBA 2006 has Career Progression for JQ flight attendants to join the Career Progression list to go to a Permanent Full - time position at Qantas Short Haul....
Since Jetstar began we have had 2 or 3 (can't recall exact figures) groups of Flight attendants who have "progressed"....
I guess that Sydney S/H has the FACTS and IS correct
Sydney S/H is correct - Part 4 section 23 of the JQ EBA 2006 has Career Progression for JQ flight attendants to join the Career Progression list to go to a Permanent Full - time position at Qantas Short Haul....
Since Jetstar began we have had 2 or 3 (can't recall exact figures) groups of Flight attendants who have "progressed"....
I guess that Sydney S/H has the FACTS and IS correct
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Well that's something a lot of people in l/h are not aware of and is good to hear that permanent Aust. based mainline ranks are being replenished to some extent!
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All Jetstar, Eastern and Sunstate crew can go on the transfer list to become QF mainline.... It is a LOOOOONG list as you can imagine but crew do get there... PER has been the only base for a while but when SYD, MEL or BNE comes available then we will all jump at the chance.....
But the faint smell of hope is on the horizon....
Bad Adventures remarks were removed by the moderator I hope...
But the faint smell of hope is on the horizon....
Bad Adventures remarks were removed by the moderator I hope...
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About that..
Heard a rumour that progression for JQ,Sunnies etc is not going to happen for a while due to the AO crew 'absorbing' into QF. Even just to the extent of mainline patterns, where the cns crew are being utilized.
And also heard, Mel s/h was on the cards as a option for the cns crew to transfer too late 2007.
Any one know anything... I know its just rumour but just thought i'd ask!
And also heard, Mel s/h was on the cards as a option for the cns crew to transfer too late 2007.
Any one know anything... I know its just rumour but just thought i'd ask!
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The more airlines they add to the progression list the longer it takes for everyone.
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The last progression was 32 MAM followed by (half a year later) 32 Link/Star (comprising of 10 (or 6?) Eastern, 6(or 10?) Sunnies and 16 Star). Who knows how they figured that out?! One would assume that the number of MAMs made permenant is met by an equal number of Link/Star Chicks. Who knows how they divvy it up? Any set formula?
It is sad that regional progression (particularily from EAA and SSA) has taken such a back seat. But great that casuals are given a chance (as small as it may be!) to become permanent.
Marjorie Dawes (Little Brittain) -
So it's not all bad news...
and
It's not easy, is it?
It is sad that regional progression (particularily from EAA and SSA) has taken such a back seat. But great that casuals are given a chance (as small as it may be!) to become permanent.
Marjorie Dawes (Little Brittain) -
So it's not all bad news...
and
It's not easy, is it?
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Heard a rumour that progression for JQ,Sunnies etc is not going to happen for a while due to the AO crew 'absorbing' into QF. Even just to the extent of mainline patterns, where the cns crew are being utilized.
And also heard, Mel s/h was on the cards as a option for the cns crew to transfer too late 2007.
Any one know anything... I know its just rumour but just thought i'd ask!
And also heard, Mel s/h was on the cards as a option for the cns crew to transfer too late 2007.
Any one know anything... I know its just rumour but just thought i'd ask!
We have never heard of any transfers down south (Mel or otherwise) up here in Cairns. Who knows where we'll be or what we'll be once our EBA's run out.
Fly safe!
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Hey
Hey. You are probably all going to hate me and bash me, i've read other forums where people arnt liked, however i havnt seen it happen here... yet. ANYWAY, I can apply for airlines as cabin crew in about 7 months... not that im counting . I was just wondering, how often do airline usualy hire? and, how long would i roughly have to wait before getting an interview/hired. Anyhelp will be awsome. And, before you know it, I will be on one of your flights!
Az.
. I was just wondering, how often do airline usualy hire? and, how long would i roughly have to wait before getting an interview/hired. Anyhelp will be awsome. And, before you know it, I will be on one of your flights! Az.
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Thought this may interest some of you.......
FAAA NEWS
10 November, 2006 QF36-06
Attention All Short Haul Flight Attendants’
FAAA STRUCTURE
Breaking Down Division’s
As members maybe aware, there have been ongoing discussions with the FAAA International Division on removing the barriers between the Divisions.
By way of background, approximately two years ago myself and other senior officials from our Division approached the FAAA International Division with a view of removing restrictions and operating as one union. It is worth noting that time we had similar membership numbers and EBA’s up for negotiation. We believed this to be an ideal time to progress this matter. However this offer was politely declined by Long Haul.
Members should note, that the only positive that came from not progressing the matter, at that stage, was it may well have resulted in a geographical structure that would simply not work under the current industrial climate.
Since then your Division has grown substantially mainly due to the successful introduction of the Airline Team Structure in lieu of the old geographical (state) Branch structure. The majority of airlines we represent (15 in total) have an Airline Team Coordinator, Team delegates and an allocated FAAA staff person, with two new Industrial Organisers soon to be employed, to deal with issues important to their own members in their own airline.
Each airline team controls their own destiny within the confines of the Association rules. In short, our Divisional Council/Executive is made up of representatives from each airline team who have the overall responsibility for ensuring the industrial and professional interests of all Flight Attendants. To introduce a structure of autonomy without safeguards would simply replicate division between members. Your structure has been developed to ensure equal say for all members and does not allow one airline undue influence over decision making. This success of this structure is evident by the increase in our membership and can also be measured by our industrial achievements.
As reported at recent Qantas Short Haul members meetings, the FAAA International Division has a full understanding of our structure and has acknowledged the importance of our new structure in meeting future industrial/airline challenges. In fact they have expressed an interest in moving forward under our structure as a Qantas Long Haul Team.
This newsletter is to update all members, including those who have contacted the FAAA requesting feedback as to the status of these important negotiations. As reported at the members meetings, time is of the essence to finally be a unified force for the future of all flight attendants before significant EBA’s are due to be renegotiated.
In September 2006 your Division put a detailed position paper to the FAAA International Division outlining a way forward. As previously stated, there would be a Qantas Long Haul Team with a separate Team structure for Australian Airlines and Jetstar International. Unfortunately the Long Haul Division is yet to respond to this paper.
We also believe that the introduction of the Jetstar International AWA (Individual Contracts) is a concern for members of both Divisions’. We have suggested a meeting between the Division’s to formulate common strategies to deal with assisting our colleagues in Jetstar International, in improving their conditions of employment and ensure they have a rewarding career in the industry.
I will keep you informed of discussions once they eventually recommence. However, from your Division’s perspective, responsibility must be taken to ensure all flight attendants conditions of employment are protected in this volatile industry, regardless of uniform.
In conclusion, be reassured that we will leave no stone unturned to ensure that we will continue to push for one FAAA under the proven and successful Domestic/Regional Airline Team Structure.
This newsletter was written and authorised by Darryl Watkins Divisional Secretary.
FAAA NEWS
10 November, 2006 QF36-06
Attention All Short Haul Flight Attendants’
FAAA STRUCTURE
Breaking Down Division’s
As members maybe aware, there have been ongoing discussions with the FAAA International Division on removing the barriers between the Divisions.
By way of background, approximately two years ago myself and other senior officials from our Division approached the FAAA International Division with a view of removing restrictions and operating as one union. It is worth noting that time we had similar membership numbers and EBA’s up for negotiation. We believed this to be an ideal time to progress this matter. However this offer was politely declined by Long Haul.
Members should note, that the only positive that came from not progressing the matter, at that stage, was it may well have resulted in a geographical structure that would simply not work under the current industrial climate.
Since then your Division has grown substantially mainly due to the successful introduction of the Airline Team Structure in lieu of the old geographical (state) Branch structure. The majority of airlines we represent (15 in total) have an Airline Team Coordinator, Team delegates and an allocated FAAA staff person, with two new Industrial Organisers soon to be employed, to deal with issues important to their own members in their own airline.
Each airline team controls their own destiny within the confines of the Association rules. In short, our Divisional Council/Executive is made up of representatives from each airline team who have the overall responsibility for ensuring the industrial and professional interests of all Flight Attendants. To introduce a structure of autonomy without safeguards would simply replicate division between members. Your structure has been developed to ensure equal say for all members and does not allow one airline undue influence over decision making. This success of this structure is evident by the increase in our membership and can also be measured by our industrial achievements.
As reported at recent Qantas Short Haul members meetings, the FAAA International Division has a full understanding of our structure and has acknowledged the importance of our new structure in meeting future industrial/airline challenges. In fact they have expressed an interest in moving forward under our structure as a Qantas Long Haul Team.
This newsletter is to update all members, including those who have contacted the FAAA requesting feedback as to the status of these important negotiations. As reported at the members meetings, time is of the essence to finally be a unified force for the future of all flight attendants before significant EBA’s are due to be renegotiated.
In September 2006 your Division put a detailed position paper to the FAAA International Division outlining a way forward. As previously stated, there would be a Qantas Long Haul Team with a separate Team structure for Australian Airlines and Jetstar International. Unfortunately the Long Haul Division is yet to respond to this paper.
We also believe that the introduction of the Jetstar International AWA (Individual Contracts) is a concern for members of both Divisions’. We have suggested a meeting between the Division’s to formulate common strategies to deal with assisting our colleagues in Jetstar International, in improving their conditions of employment and ensure they have a rewarding career in the industry.
I will keep you informed of discussions once they eventually recommence. However, from your Division’s perspective, responsibility must be taken to ensure all flight attendants conditions of employment are protected in this volatile industry, regardless of uniform.
In conclusion, be reassured that we will leave no stone unturned to ensure that we will continue to push for one FAAA under the proven and successful Domestic/Regional Airline Team Structure.
This newsletter was written and authorised by Darryl Watkins Divisional Secretary.
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As usual this is the first I have heard of this subject in relation to a unified union.Certainly nothing that I am aware of on this subject has been realeased from the L/H cone of silence .
It certainly makes sense in todays enviroment but the trick is in the way that it is formulated.In any case it is a good idea and should be an urgent item on the agenda.
It certainly makes sense in todays enviroment but the trick is in the way that it is formulated.In any case it is a good idea and should be an urgent item on the agenda.
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Lower,
I agree with you and think its important - unified we stand a much better chance.
It says in the newsletter that the LH FAAA has done nothing to respond to the proposal by the SH guys. Shame they arent giving it some priority considering you have an EBA on the way.
I agree with you and think its important - unified we stand a much better chance.
It says in the newsletter that the LH FAAA has done nothing to respond to the proposal by the SH guys. Shame they arent giving it some priority considering you have an EBA on the way.