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There are some very admirable responses from existing lgw crew above. I start to see why the single fleet has come about. Can anyone tell me if any of the existing crew on the longhaul fleet will be staying on the single fleet as clearly, lgw is perceived as being a lot more fun.
From reading previous forums on this issue, I was under the impression that the single fleet is a separate company and therefore at present there is no facility to place your name on the transfer list for lhr. What would be my concern is that if you did not want to stay at lgw longterm and lhr advertised for crew, you would have to reapply as an external candidate.
Why is BA so reluctant to allow this anyway? I suppose if, when T5 was opened that BA decided lgw was no longer viable, then their responsibility to the single fleet crew would be less if they were not part of the the same group.
I wish, as flybywire has stated, that I could be really positive about the single fleet but I also feel we have to consider all facts before offering our services for considerably less benefits than lhr get. Now, if transfers were possible, that would be a different thing.
From reading previous forums on this issue, I was under the impression that the single fleet is a separate company and therefore at present there is no facility to place your name on the transfer list for lhr. What would be my concern is that if you did not want to stay at lgw longterm and lhr advertised for crew, you would have to reapply as an external candidate.
Why is BA so reluctant to allow this anyway? I suppose if, when T5 was opened that BA decided lgw was no longer viable, then their responsibility to the single fleet crew would be less if they were not part of the the same group.
I wish, as flybywire has stated, that I could be really positive about the single fleet but I also feel we have to consider all facts before offering our services for considerably less benefits than lhr get. Now, if transfers were possible, that would be a different thing.
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hiya, start my training in 2wks- just woundering if i need to learn the 'first steps to excellence' ba booklets well. Obviously ive read through them, I know the three letter codes and am learning the special meal abbreviations and the different cabins but what else are we tested on, they dont expect you to learn figures do they!!
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Sammyjayne,
Are you an x-flyer or not? If you are new to flying I will advise you to pay attention and maybe spend some time on it. You will do a 'validation' on it, aka as exam.
When I did my training almost 80% in my training group failed the FSTE validation and well lets just say it wasn't much fun for them.
Also the first week and a half you will basically be working your way through the FSTE so you would only make your own life easier by actually studing it.
Anyway I hope this helps and I'm sure you will have a great time.
Are you an x-flyer or not? If you are new to flying I will advise you to pay attention and maybe spend some time on it. You will do a 'validation' on it, aka as exam.
When I did my training almost 80% in my training group failed the FSTE validation and well lets just say it wasn't much fun for them.
Also the first week and a half you will basically be working your way through the FSTE so you would only make your own life easier by actually studing it.
Anyway I hope this helps and I'm sure you will have a great time.
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hiya, start my training in 2wks- just woundering if i need to learn the 'first steps to excellence' ba booklets well. Obviously ive read through them, I know the three letter codes and am learning the special meal abbreviations and the different cabins but what else are we tested on, they dont expect you to learn figures do they!!
thankyou
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Yes there will be a test on FSTE, and it will be on day 2 or 3 (do not remember) so I would suggest you read through it a couple of times and highlight what you think is most important.
For your and any new entrant's information:
It's extremely important that new crew do well on their training course as there's a point system. It will be explained to you on day 1 however in a nutshell it consists on behavioural, lateness, failure of customer service, technical, AVMed and SEP exams points. You're only "allowed" a certain amount of points (I think 6 but not sure) and some of the exam failures count as 2 or 3. If you reach the maximum number of allowed points your contract will be terminated.
The good thing of this system is that the seniority throughout your course will be determined by how well you do during your course. So, if you and your mate are on the same course and you do really well, and they fail one exam, you'll be ahead of them in seniority although you started the same day. This is a fair system BA has come up with to give seniority to those people who work hard (20 numbers can make a huge difference....bidding...leave...promotions...christmas off etc)
WLITS thank you for putting my thoughts into better words. I couldn't have said it better myself!! I hope the flying is going well - I am on leave at the moment and I really feel like a bun in the oven - my uniform isn't fitting anymoreeeeeeeee
Boring life on the ground... cannot wait to fly to NAP next week for a nice holiday I am looking forward to the flight more than to the holiday itself 
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There are some very admirable responses from existing lgw crew above. I start to see why the single fleet has come about. Can anyone tell me if any of the existing crew on the longhaul fleet will be staying on the single fleet as clearly, lgw is perceived as being a lot more fun.
From reading previous forums on this issue, I was under the impression that the single fleet is a separate company and therefore at present there is no facility to place your name on the transfer list for lhr. What would be my concern is that if you did not want to stay at lgw longterm and lhr advertised for crew, you would have to reapply as an external candidate.
Why is BA so reluctant to allow this anyway? I suppose if, when T5 was opened that BA decided lgw was no longer viable, then their responsibility to the single fleet crew would be less if they were not part of the the same group.
I wish, as flybywire has stated, that I could be really positive about the single fleet but I also feel we have to consider all facts before offering our services for considerably less benefits than lhr get. Now, if transfers were possible, that would be a different thing.
From reading previous forums on this issue, I was under the impression that the single fleet is a separate company and therefore at present there is no facility to place your name on the transfer list for lhr. What would be my concern is that if you did not want to stay at lgw longterm and lhr advertised for crew, you would have to reapply as an external candidate.
Why is BA so reluctant to allow this anyway? I suppose if, when T5 was opened that BA decided lgw was no longer viable, then their responsibility to the single fleet crew would be less if they were not part of the the same group.
I wish, as flybywire has stated, that I could be really positive about the single fleet but I also feel we have to consider all facts before offering our services for considerably less benefits than lhr get. Now, if transfers were possible, that would be a different thing.
yellowdog knows a lot more than I do so why don't you send him a private message and ask him what the news are?
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hi there....i believe you are at lgw and if you dont mind me i d like to ask you a couple of questions. I am joining the single fleet in oct transferring from lhr. as i ve done my 777 training i only need to do my 737. \have you been rostered first class training? I though first class training would come for everyone after 6 months? And it wouldnt be valid when and if transfer come for heathrow.... so i dont mean to be disrespectful to the lgw staff but i would like to know....is it possible for a transfer to lhr and do u know roughly would many years you d have to wait before this is possible..... any answer or info would be very much appreciated....
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Hello!
Right....all the crew who are doing their 777 conversion course at LGW are doing their First Class training at the moment. Seniority rules here! Training is ongoing with 2 conversion courses starting every week.
I personally haven't been trained on the 777 and won't be able to until, I suspect, march 2008 as I intend to take a full year maternity leave after my baby is born.
I know know nothing about the transfers from the temps at LHR but if you can wait a couple of weeks I can ask my training manager (I am on leave now). I believe you'll be trained as well and you'll just be rostered for the First training. However, as I've said, we haven't received any information to date about the transfers. I will also have to see whether new entrants get First training. If they do, I do not see why you wouldn't? We'll have a fair number of routes who have First so we do need people and the flexibility to crew the flights with First trained people.
I am sure you'll only have to do the 737 conversion, and the Euro service training as well - however that will only last one day, while the First is a bit longer.
Sorry I cannot be of any more help - but as I've said I might be able to give you more info in a couple of weeks' time!
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Right....all the crew who are doing their 777 conversion course at LGW are doing their First Class training at the moment. Seniority rules here! Training is ongoing with 2 conversion courses starting every week.
I personally haven't been trained on the 777 and won't be able to until, I suspect, march 2008 as I intend to take a full year maternity leave after my baby is born.
I know know nothing about the transfers from the temps at LHR but if you can wait a couple of weeks I can ask my training manager (I am on leave now). I believe you'll be trained as well and you'll just be rostered for the First training. However, as I've said, we haven't received any information to date about the transfers. I will also have to see whether new entrants get First training. If they do, I do not see why you wouldn't? We'll have a fair number of routes who have First so we do need people and the flexibility to crew the flights with First trained people.
I am sure you'll only have to do the 737 conversion, and the Euro service training as well - however that will only last one day, while the First is a bit longer.
Sorry I cannot be of any more help - but as I've said I might be able to give you more info in a couple of weeks' time!
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There are some very admirable responses from existing lgw crew above. I start to see why the single fleet has come about. Can anyone tell me if any of the existing crew on the longhaul fleet will be staying on the single fleet as clearly, lgw is perceived as being a lot more fun.
From reading previous forums on this issue, I was under the impression that the single fleet is a separate company and therefore at present there is no facility to place your name on the transfer list for lhr. What would be my concern is that if you did not want to stay at lgw longterm and lhr advertised for crew, you would have to reapply as an external candidate.
Why is BA so reluctant to allow this anyway? I suppose if, when T5 was opened that BA decided lgw was no longer viable, then their responsibility to the single fleet crew would be less if they were not part of the the same group.
I wish, as flybywire has stated, that I could be really positive about the single fleet but I also feel we have to consider all facts before offering our services for considerably less benefits than lhr get. Now, if transfers were possible, that would be a different thing.
From reading previous forums on this issue, I was under the impression that the single fleet is a separate company and therefore at present there is no facility to place your name on the transfer list for lhr. What would be my concern is that if you did not want to stay at lgw longterm and lhr advertised for crew, you would have to reapply as an external candidate.
Why is BA so reluctant to allow this anyway? I suppose if, when T5 was opened that BA decided lgw was no longer viable, then their responsibility to the single fleet crew would be less if they were not part of the the same group.
I wish, as flybywire has stated, that I could be really positive about the single fleet but I also feel we have to consider all facts before offering our services for considerably less benefits than lhr get. Now, if transfers were possible, that would be a different thing.
Tess,
From what I understand there are only about six people that have choosen to stay at GF at not take the transfer to WWLHR. From what I can tell those that are going are going because the money is going to be much better for them. Although as WLITS has said this MAY change in the future. And who can blame them we all live to our means most of the time and taking a pay cut is never easy for anyone. That said though GF is going to mean more money for those that stay at LGW. This is because of the longer trips that will be available.
At the moment we all get paid £2.32 per hour from the moment we check in to the moment we check out. There are some other allowances and overtime which kick in as well but they are far to numerous and complicated to go through now. So for a six day ANU the allowances will be somewhere in the region of £275, with the other allowances bringing up to about £300. The unions, are at the moment fighting for the longhaul routes to include breakfast with the hotel room rate as well.
I am not sure what the old WWLGW crew would get for the same trip but for main crew I'm sure it would have been fairly similar if you take into account they did not get b&b. So allowances at GF will not be that shabby.
If money is your overriding concern though then elsewhere pay more, fact of life. You have to decide what you want out of life and that is fair enough.
As for the contracts, no matter what anyone else says, as new entrants you get exactly the same contract as those at EFLHR. The problem comes when it comes to the union agreements. Historically SHLGW has always sat outside the NSP (national sectional panel) and had it's own LSP (local sectional panel) which agreed all changes to working practices. As an LSP, transfers were only allowed on a gentlemans agreement basis of a certain number per year. When you transfered, because you were joing the NSP, you lost your rank, your basic pay went down to a new entrants, and you basically started again. You did however keep you DOJ for staff travel and your for your pension.
However in the time I have been at EFLGW some 800 people have choosen to go "up the road" and that is a lot more than had to under the gentleman's agreement. So the question of transfers is really up in the air at the moment. As to how long it will take, it's the old "how long is a piece of string" argument. At the moment some people have been waiting at least five years to go. Although some of those are now not so keen to go as we have longhaul and shorthaul.
We shall just have to wait and see what agreement materialises when the NSP talks are finalised. From what I know btu the unions are telling slightly differnt stories at the mo. I would hope and here's keeping everything crossed that we fit in where we rightfully belong in the NSP seniority list.
As for when T5 opens, it's not the terminal space at LHR that's the governing factor for expansion it's the availablity of slots and the complexities of the current Bermuda II agreement. If BA wnat to expand they are in no way able to do that at LHR because of the slot restrictions so they need LGW as a kind of pressure release valve. However who knows what tomorrow may bring. If they are to shut down LGW and IMHO that is a very big IF then I would hope we would be slotted into somewhere at LHR. I think thats the way both unions tend to see it.
The way I suppose you have to look at it is "you pays ya money ya take ya chance". Only you can make the decision of what is right for you. However as you stated that you can't be positive about the fleet then perhaps it isn't right for you.
I only hope you make the choice that is right for you.
YD
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firstly I hope all is going well with the little bundle of fun
Secondly, the new entrants are not being first trained until they have their wings (normally after six months). This is so they can get to know a bit about service routines etc before being let loose in first.
As for the tranferees, after speaking to management the other day, I believe that they may get first training if they are not already, when they do their B737 conversion. We can really use their LH experience to help the transition go as smoothly as possible.
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The new agreement states that we all get 9 days off each month.
This comes into effect on 1 October.
The crew at the moment are getting more days off as there are so many crew waiting for the new fleet to start.
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yes you are right flybywire. I am not personally slagging off the hard working crew who work at LGW and i am sure i ll love working there, i just expressed my opinion regarding the huge difference of pay between different bases for doing a the same job ( in fact a lot more and harder work) I showed my roster to LHR WW crew for oct at LGW and told me "poor you , this would never happen here" .Its a question of something standing up and not accepting anything that a company wants to do to the staff.Regarding the transfer options, nothing has been agreed yet and the list wont open for LGW specially for new starters as they will be frozen for at least 2 years before they are able to put their names for a transfer. I am not going to come to LGW and talk about when and if the transfer will come but enjoy it and see the best out of it but this will not stop me to express my opinion when i want to do so.
welcome to the world of LGW.
as WLITS said, we have always been second rate cousins compared to LHR.
People have been fighting to change it for years and unfortunately it is like banging a very small head against a very big and solid brick wall.
A change will come but, the change will be at LHR not LGW. IMHO hourly flight pay will be introduced and so will reduced crew numbers.
"I showed my roster to LHR WW crew for oct at LGW and told me "poor you , this would never happen here"" what exactly wouldn't happen here? Nowhere in the company has our mix of LH and SH so of course that wouldn't happen anywhere else. So I am not sure what you are getting at really.
As for the transfer list, the rules have always been the same. The transfer window opens 1st October every two years and you can put your name down for your lifestyle choice, transfer or working pattern.
I am not going to come to LGW and talk about when and if the transfer will come but enjoy it and see the best out of it but this will not stop me to express my opinion when i want to do so.
Good enjoy it, but don't forget the easiest way to rub some people up the wrong way at LGW, me included, is to come into the company as a relatively new person and harp on and on about LHR. I personally will offload crew at briefing if I think their attitude is not up to making the passengers and other crewmembers enjoy their flight
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Ouch! You go dog! I have to say "the wrong attitude" is certainly one of my pet hates. Breeding discontent in an otherwise happy crew will certainly get you crossed off my christmas card list.
Anyway....
From my understanding temps coming from WWLHR will be starting as new entrants here (i.e. seniority etc etc), so new seniority number and therefore will not recieve their FIRST training until they get their wings like everyone else.
The 2 day course is only 737 conversion.
The transfer agreement will happen at some point however the breakfast debate has now taken over.
The Amicus propose our date of joining NSP to be when we got a mainline contract, Apr 2002 I think. WW Amicus have agreed this so it's down to BASSA to go with this proposal.
If you think it's BA who have stopped EFLGW joining the NSP....THINK AGAIN!
It serves no purpose to them whatsoever not to have freedom of movement between fleets.
The real culprits are the unions (believe it or not), not the local EFLGW reps, but the LHR office. Egos, personal empire building, and infighting have all got in the way. Plus because it's was such a "joke" issue it was always put on the back burner in favour of more pressing matters (i.e. who is going to hand out GPM's on WW and how much will they get for it?) It's come down to us joining because all of a sudden SFLGW is not going to be a small community and cannot be ignored.
It is a shame, instead of trying to resolve the issue people decided transfering out asap was the solution (sound familiar to ANYONE reading) and to leave it all behind for others to join and face the same problems.
Sad...but true.
As with anything in BA it's "right place at the right time". I personally have done ok out of all this and as a result of gambling that LGW will be the place to be "one day" am now a Cabin Manager on a P/T contract and will be eaning more on average than those who I joined with who are now WWLHR.
When the transfer list does eventually get sorted I'll have the option one day (probably in about 10 years!) to transfer with my rank and keep my pay. Job done.
What I'm trying to get across to those reading this is you can either look at life as "cup half full" or "cup half empty".
You make the best of what you have, and make choices along the way. Sometimes a little bit of luck comes your way, sometimes an educated gamble is needed now and then.
The problem with most cabin crew at BA is they are only focused on "their world" and don't see how things "actually work" or "why they work". They just follow the rules instead of chosing to understand them. I urge everyone to try to see the bigger picture, not just what they are told.
Lastly. If WWLHR is where you want to be, DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH. It's going to be over crewed for a long while now due to the influx of WWLGW crew. Now you have all the MAN crew transfering into WW and EFLHR(soon to be joined by the GLA crew if I'm not mistaken). Transfers between EFLHR and WWLHR will slow down to a hault, promotion will be non-existent for a while (all grades), and recruitment into EFLHR I don't see happening this year (think about the impending winter schedule not being as busy).
Like I said, look at the bigger picture.
Might not be what everyone wants to hear, but if you do your reasearch you'll realise what I've just said all adds up.
But hey....what do I know?
Goodnight Vienna!
Anyway....
From my understanding temps coming from WWLHR will be starting as new entrants here (i.e. seniority etc etc), so new seniority number and therefore will not recieve their FIRST training until they get their wings like everyone else.
The 2 day course is only 737 conversion.
The transfer agreement will happen at some point however the breakfast debate has now taken over.
The Amicus propose our date of joining NSP to be when we got a mainline contract, Apr 2002 I think. WW Amicus have agreed this so it's down to BASSA to go with this proposal.
If you think it's BA who have stopped EFLGW joining the NSP....THINK AGAIN!
It serves no purpose to them whatsoever not to have freedom of movement between fleets.
The real culprits are the unions (believe it or not), not the local EFLGW reps, but the LHR office. Egos, personal empire building, and infighting have all got in the way. Plus because it's was such a "joke" issue it was always put on the back burner in favour of more pressing matters (i.e. who is going to hand out GPM's on WW and how much will they get for it?) It's come down to us joining because all of a sudden SFLGW is not going to be a small community and cannot be ignored.
It is a shame, instead of trying to resolve the issue people decided transfering out asap was the solution (sound familiar to ANYONE reading) and to leave it all behind for others to join and face the same problems.
Sad...but true.
As with anything in BA it's "right place at the right time". I personally have done ok out of all this and as a result of gambling that LGW will be the place to be "one day" am now a Cabin Manager on a P/T contract and will be eaning more on average than those who I joined with who are now WWLHR.
When the transfer list does eventually get sorted I'll have the option one day (probably in about 10 years!) to transfer with my rank and keep my pay. Job done.
What I'm trying to get across to those reading this is you can either look at life as "cup half full" or "cup half empty".
You make the best of what you have, and make choices along the way. Sometimes a little bit of luck comes your way, sometimes an educated gamble is needed now and then.
The problem with most cabin crew at BA is they are only focused on "their world" and don't see how things "actually work" or "why they work". They just follow the rules instead of chosing to understand them. I urge everyone to try to see the bigger picture, not just what they are told.
Lastly. If WWLHR is where you want to be, DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH. It's going to be over crewed for a long while now due to the influx of WWLGW crew. Now you have all the MAN crew transfering into WW and EFLHR(soon to be joined by the GLA crew if I'm not mistaken). Transfers between EFLHR and WWLHR will slow down to a hault, promotion will be non-existent for a while (all grades), and recruitment into EFLHR I don't see happening this year (think about the impending winter schedule not being as busy).
Like I said, look at the bigger picture.
Might not be what everyone wants to hear, but if you do your reasearch you'll realise what I've just said all adds up.
But hey....what do I know?
Goodnight Vienna!
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but don't forget the easiest way to rub some people up the wrong way at LGW, me included, is to come into the company as a relatively new person and harp on and on about LHR. I personally will offload crew at briefing if I think their attitude is not up to making the passengers and other crewmembers enjoy their flight .
YD
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Hello Mr CM!!!
Firstly thanks for reminding me one of the many reasons why I love flying with you
Second...the little bundle is getting bigger by the minute and I truly feel like a a bun in the oven
Enjoying some time off work at the moment but I am still there with my heart
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Just finished chatting to a friend of mine who joined EFLHR a couple of months after I joined EFLGW......she used to "make fun" of me in a way as she could see the differences between our contracts etc.
However...she would like to apply for purser when they open the recruitment but has laready been told that she won't be allowed for "seniority reasons".
After only 18months at LGW I had the chance to apply and 8 months later am now a purser and can enjoy a more relaxed pregnancy thanks to the basic salary that went up quite a lot!!
She wants to fly long haul and she just told me that she's a loooooooooooooooong way down and she won't see it for years (her words).
Now, considering all of these thing, to be honest....if an "experience" of long haul is what people are looking for then I would suggest they joined VS or some charter airlines (provided they are made permanent at the end of their temp. contracts). If instead they are looking for a career and possibly some work satisfaction then LGW is the place to be: I still cannot believe I got this promotion so quickly, and it's also thanks to this that I can afford to have a family of my own now.
Do not misunderstand me I do get frustrated at certain things - you have mentioned a few - when at work (and YD knows it well) however for me the cup is definitely half full.
Night night everybody
FBW
Just finished chatting to a friend of mine who joined EFLHR a couple of months after I joined EFLGW......she used to "make fun" of me in a way as she could see the differences between our contracts etc.
However...she would like to apply for purser when they open the recruitment but has laready been told that she won't be allowed for "seniority reasons".
After only 18months at LGW I had the chance to apply and 8 months later am now a purser and can enjoy a more relaxed pregnancy thanks to the basic salary that went up quite a lot!!
She wants to fly long haul and she just told me that she's a loooooooooooooooong way down and she won't see it for years (her words).
Now, considering all of these thing, to be honest....if an "experience" of long haul is what people are looking for then I would suggest they joined VS or some charter airlines (provided they are made permanent at the end of their temp. contracts). If instead they are looking for a career and possibly some work satisfaction then LGW is the place to be: I still cannot believe I got this promotion so quickly, and it's also thanks to this that I can afford to have a family of my own now.
Do not misunderstand me I do get frustrated at certain things - you have mentioned a few - when at work (and YD knows it well) however for me the cup is definitely half full.
Night night everybody
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Yellowdog!!! How the hell do you know soooo much?!!! You're like a big BA encyclopedia!!!!! (if that's how you spell it!!!)!!!!
YD is now my fountain of KNOWLEDGE!!!
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Guys and Gals,
is anyone out there an employment lawyer? Looooooong shot I know!!
One thing that has been bothering me recently is the new age discrimination law. Supposedly this disallows an employer from discriminating on age or length of service. (I stand be corrected as always)
But if this is the case how does a company like BA which runs it's whole flight and cabin crew systems on seniority change to suit the law?
Anyone know anymore?
YD
is anyone out there an employment lawyer? Looooooong shot I know!!
One thing that has been bothering me recently is the new age discrimination law. Supposedly this disallows an employer from discriminating on age or length of service. (I stand be corrected as always)
But if this is the case how does a company like BA which runs it's whole flight and cabin crew systems on seniority change to suit the law?
Anyone know anymore?
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Guys and Gals,
is anyone out there an employment lawyer? Looooooong shot I know!!
One thing that has been bothering me recently is the new age discrimination law. Supposedly this disallows an employer from discriminating on age or length of service. (I stand be corrected as always)
But if this is the case how does a company like BA which runs it's whole flight and cabin crew systems on seniority change to suit the law?
Anyone know anymore?
YD
is anyone out there an employment lawyer? Looooooong shot I know!!
One thing that has been bothering me recently is the new age discrimination law. Supposedly this disallows an employer from discriminating on age or length of service. (I stand be corrected as always)
But if this is the case how does a company like BA which runs it's whole flight and cabin crew systems on seniority change to suit the law?
Anyone know anymore?
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so it will be interesting to see what happens. I do not know the deal for Cabin Crew in terms of discrimination, but flight crew have been offered to keep their command till they are 60 and then, if they wish to fly till they are 65, to be downgraded to first officers with first officers' pay, t&c...nice It is just the beginning of a long fight, I believe. I am very curious to see what will happen.
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Hi just wondering if anyone else out there has received their single fleet rosta for October and what it looks like it terms of the number of actual trips and out and backs etc . Not so much intersted in the destinations but the number of trips and night stops as will be travelling over 2 hours to get to work so really want to know how many out and backs you guys are getting how many standby days are they in blocks? Hoping we can start training November 6 if accepted . Thanks in advance Lord MASH ,
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The transfer agreement will happen at some point however the breakfast debate has now taken over.
The Amicus propose our date of joining NSP to be when we got a mainline contract, Apr 2002 I think. WW Amicus have agreed this so it's down to BASSA to go with this proposal.
WLITS thats a real shame as last time I talked to one of the reps they seemde confident that the WW reps may accept taking our actual DOJ's rather than a blanket one. With the way recruitment was for ages at LGW I'm sure the few people that will need to slip into the seniority list relatively high up will make no difference at all to the 13000 people already on the list. But as you say only time will tell, lets hope its a good result
As with anything in BA it's "right place at the right time". I personally have done ok out of all this and as a result of gambling that LGW will be the place to be "one day" am now a Cabin Manager on a P/T contract and will be eaning more on average than those who I joined with who are now WWLHR.
When the transfer list does eventually get sorted I'll have the option one day (probably in about 10 years!) to transfer with my rank and keep my pay. Job done.
I'm glad you have done alright out of it, nice people like you deserve to have done OK. I too have done OK. PT, CM and given the opportunity to be in charge of the B777. A long way let me tell you from single crewed ATR42's.
The only question is if we were to transfer what would we transfer as? Being a CM with a silver tie and being an SCCM on the B777, would we go as CSD's or have to be ""demoted"" to Pursers? I think I know the answer but would like to take others persectives.
Hi just wondering if anyone else out there has received their single fleet rosta for October and what it looks like it terms of the number of actual trips and out and backs etc .
As I have been on my PT week I am too wondering what the new rosters look like? Anyone here got one and willing to share? Are the crew listed on the roster like WWLGW and WWLHR?
Take care all and hope to see you on the B777 soon
YD
The Amicus propose our date of joining NSP to be when we got a mainline contract, Apr 2002 I think. WW Amicus have agreed this so it's down to BASSA to go with this proposal.
WLITS thats a real shame as last time I talked to one of the reps they seemde confident that the WW reps may accept taking our actual DOJ's rather than a blanket one. With the way recruitment was for ages at LGW I'm sure the few people that will need to slip into the seniority list relatively high up will make no difference at all to the 13000 people already on the list. But as you say only time will tell, lets hope its a good result
As with anything in BA it's "right place at the right time". I personally have done ok out of all this and as a result of gambling that LGW will be the place to be "one day" am now a Cabin Manager on a P/T contract and will be eaning more on average than those who I joined with who are now WWLHR.
When the transfer list does eventually get sorted I'll have the option one day (probably in about 10 years!) to transfer with my rank and keep my pay. Job done.
I'm glad you have done alright out of it, nice people like you deserve to have done OK. I too have done OK. PT, CM and given the opportunity to be in charge of the B777. A long way let me tell you from single crewed ATR42's.
The only question is if we were to transfer what would we transfer as? Being a CM with a silver tie and being an SCCM on the B777, would we go as CSD's or have to be ""demoted"" to Pursers? I think I know the answer but would like to take others persectives.
Hi just wondering if anyone else out there has received their single fleet rosta for October and what it looks like it terms of the number of actual trips and out and backs etc .
As I have been on my PT week I am too wondering what the new rosters look like? Anyone here got one and willing to share? Are the crew listed on the roster like WWLGW and WWLHR?
Take care all and hope to see you on the B777 soon
YD