British Airways - LGW

[WeLieInTheShadows]

Hey YD.

This is the union (and most probable) line.

If we transfer well go as Pursers on the nearest LHR paypoint.

As CM is a developmental role that is still under review, we are still in effect Pursers with an extra "responsibility payment" in our wages (and a silver tie).

We have not gone up a grade and so will not be demoted.

We will also not take the responsibility payment with us if we transfer.

Not maybe what you wanted to hear, but probabaly what you expected to hear.

By the time we get to transfer anyway, we'll be ready to retire the list will be so slow.

The guys who'll get to LHR (in reasonable time) wil be the main crew. The purser list will look just like the one at EFLHR.....................loooooooooooooonnnnnnnnggggggggggg gg.

We're not going anywhere.

[lgw29]

wlits just want to say all the best for the weekend to you and mrs wlits. hope all goes well and all the best to the both of you. nh

[Kak Klaxon]

And the Pursers that transfer from SOU to LGW go in as main crew,why?

[yellowdog]

Good Luck And Best Wishes

WLITS,

Just to say really good luck for the big day. What a lovely couple Mrs WLITS and you will make.

All the best and heres hoping you have as long and as happy a marriage as I have had.

YD

[Carnage Matey!]

And the Pursers that transfer from SOU to LGW go in as main crew,why?

Because the Pursers at SOU work for BA Connect, which is a seperate but wholly owned company. Hence it isn't a transfer in this sense as they are not part of the BA cabin crews collective bargaining agreement, it's a new job in a different firm.

[Kak Klaxon]

I see,so they can fly the 767 ex MAN and LHR but not LGW.I also note that they have to hand their BA uniforms in on leaving SOU to be issued BA uniforms on arrival in LGW and do all their training again(guess BAR training is not up to the LGW standard).

Its all so strange,still I am sure Willy likes spending money!!

[Carnage Matey!]

BAR training is up to standard. Exactly the same as BA standard in fact. The difference is that BA Connect crews were never in BAR, BAR was subsumed into BACX then BA Connect. People seem to think that because they fly around in a plane with BA colours on it then they are BA. Well, like the advert says, it doesn't work like that. You could work in a Macdonalds, wear the uniform, flip the same burgers, but it doesn't mean you work for Macdonalds, you work for whichever franchise happens to be running that particular branch. Its the same with BACon staff. They don't work for BA, they work for BACon, and when they leave BACon to go to BA they join a new company at the bottom of the seniority list.

PS BACon staff shouldn't be flying 767s out of LHR and it would be an understatement to say BASSA are fairly livid about it!

PPS BA make everybody return their uniform when they leave any BA-uniformed employment thats why you hand the uniform back when you leave BACon. The priority is to make sure uniforms remain acounted for, not to save a pittance on issuing new uniforms.

[Kak Klaxon]

Thank you CM,we have been asking how this can be happening but the (BA) managment are not able to provide us with answers,do you fancy a stint at BAcon to sort it out.(close it down?).
I did not mean to imply that BA connect were BA staff its just that when BAR were intergrated the cabin crew had to be retrained at great cost to BA sops and now they will have to do the same stuff all over again.Guess Midflleet,EOG, Citiflyer, Dan Air or what ever they are to be called must have money to burn as it comes out of their budget.
Not so sure about the uniform thing,you return it to uniform stores,they throw it away and give you a new one.


PS I dont know anyone who works for BA connect who thinks they work for BA apart from the managers and pilots who actually do work for BA.
May I also say its nice to see you sticking up for your Cabin Crew.

[LittleMissSunshine]

Singlefleet roster

Please would some LGW crew post their first SF roster to give the newbies an idea of what to expect. Thanks x

[banewboi]

FAO yd

i know a senior solicitor and discussed it with her, the regulations will apply to ba and any other company so will have to change the way promotions etc work, however, because of the size of ba and how intrinsic seniority is on their work practices ba could argue a postponement to the regualtions, i.e. bringing different parts of the regs in at different times, over a predetermined time scale. they could also argue that because of the size of the work force it would not be appropriate to implement all of the regs, a bit like when j major negotiated an opt out clause of maastricht. it is going to be a bit of a headache when the regs come in to force and i simply can't believe someone, somewhere isn't already working out a preliminary plan of action, time will tell!

[SuperBoy]

I posed the same question to management at Cranebank and was told, quite categorically, with regards to bidding seniority rules but they will be looking into the seniority issue with regards to working positions.

The requirements for promotions change constantly to suit BA, it's all about right place right time.

As ever won't believe anything will change untill I see it in black and white.

[banewboi]

hi

i have my wings course coming up and would love to know what i have to do for it? exams, etc etc, can you give some kind of idea wlits or fbw, by the way wlits is fbw who i think she is?

[keeperboy]

Originally Posted by WeLieInTheShadows

Hey YD.
This is the union (and most probable) line.
If we transfer well go as Pursers on the nearest LHR paypoint.
As CM is a developmental role that is still under review, we are still in effect Pursers with an extra "responsibility payment" in our wages (and a silver tie).
We have not gone up a grade and so will not be demoted.
We will also not take the responsibility payment with us if we transfer.
Not maybe what you wanted to hear, but probabaly what you expected to hear.
By the time we get to transfer anyway, we'll be ready to retire the list will be so slow.
The guys who'll get to LHR (in reasonable time) wil be the main crew. The purser list will look just like the one at EFLHR.....................loooooooooooooonnnnnnnnggggggggggg gg.
We're not going anywhere.

Transfers from LGW to LHR WW will go VERY slow.

Firstly, entry into NSP still hasn't happened and BASSA and BA are still going over the finer points.

Secondly, in terms of PSR promotion, most of it has to come from within the 'home fleet' (ie LHR WW mainline crew). Only a small amount of WW PSR transfers take place. There are a lot of LHR EF PSR waiting to transfer as well and I guess the majority (all?) will be more senior than LGW PSR within the NSP.

And finally, with the crew complements on LHR WW itself it is unlikely there will be many opportunities for PSR for anyone (BA want to remove one of the four pursers from the 747 therefore reducing overall PSR headcount).

I reckon you guys will have a ball down there.

I used to be on midfleet at LHR, loved it. A shame it went :-(

[keeperboy]

Originally Posted by Kak Klaxon

I see,so they can fly the 767 ex MAN and LHR but not LGW.I also note that they have to hand their BA uniforms in on leaving SOU to be issued BA uniforms on arrival in LGW and do all their training again(guess BAR training is not up to the LGW standard).
Its all so strange,still I am sure Willy likes spending money!!

BA Connect crews cannot operate flights from LHR on the 767. Well that is the 'supposed line' that is meant to be followed.

In dire disruption BA are meant to get alleviation from the unions to allow LHR EF 767 crews to operate LHR WW 767 routes. They receive the same WW allowences for the trip and work to the same terms and conditions (ie WW required days off before and after a trip). However, on a couple occassions recently BA have by-passed LHR EF crews and got a MAN based BaCon crew down to do LHR WW routes. I doubt very much they are being paid the LHR WW rates that they should receive.

BASSA have a meeting on 2nd Oct where this issue will be raised.

[Off Stand]

Wings course

Banewboi,

The wings course is just an extension of your customer service training. No exams involved, just plenty of pretending to look interested. Then you get your wings and a piece of paper saying well done, the glamour!

[Eddy]

Originally Posted by Off Stand

....just plenty of pretending to look interested.

And the cardinal rule of the Wings Course - just shut up.

Sit there, be quiet, don't say a word. If you say something that the trainers don't like - one trainer in particular - you'll be beaten down for it. For shame.

[gymlizzy]

I need some help

Hi Guys

I really do need some help................. I am starting my training a week on Monday (2nd October) LGW and I am getting quite nervous to say the least. I am just ploughing my way through the training pack, which was sent out, and I need some help.
The airport codes are driving me nuts and I really think I am spending to much time on trying to learn them all, Would I be safe if I was just to learn the codes for flights departing from Gatwick?
Can anyone advise on how much detail I need to take in, do I need to quote facts and figures, In a nutshell do I need to know all of these books inside out and back to front, any help and advice would be greatly welcome, before I overdose on coffee and nicotine, LOL.
If anyone can give me any insight into the exams in the first week this would be a great help.
Hope to hear from anyone soon..................
Gymlizzy x

[HZ123]

Course purpose and objectives
Timetables
Contracts - with trainers
On board experiences
Motivation career plans
The BA way
Teams and Roles
Service development catering in flite products
Business brief fleet update
H & S
Security Asset protection Behaviour abroad
Punctuallity / uniform standards
Lots of powerpoints and Videos
Fire training at LHR Bar plus
Just a few things to be going along with. Study a bit on the BA web, routes goals etc and it will give you a good start. Enjoy.

[flyer55]

Hi all

Interesting reading of all the posts re LGW , its going to be an interesting time ahead with all the changes , new routes new positions - CM (hi all fellow cms)
For all the New Crew who are joining welcome to the family hope you enjoy working out of London Gatwick ! Reading from a post above cant remember which one - sorry about crew coming in from SOU BA Connect , just wondered if their was many coming in?

Also, have a couple of questions if anybody can answer :

Heard MAN-JFK (767 operation) going to LHR Crew any truth?

And whats going on at GB Airways and any truth in the rumour Virgin intending to buy them and they want to end the franchise?

thanks

p.s hi yellow dog !

[sammyjayne]

cabin shoes

hiya, can the cabin shoes that are worn for take off/landing be completely flat or do they have to have some sort of heel? thanks