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And whats going on at GB Airways and any truth in the rumour Virgin intending to buy them and they want to end the franchise?
The Franchise Agreement
GB Airways became a British Airways franchise in 1995. The franchise agreement now runs until 2010. GB Airways is still under contract with British Airways until 2010.
The Franchise Agreement
GB Airways became a British Airways franchise in 1995. The franchise agreement now runs until 2010. GB Airways is still under contract with British Airways until 2010.
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Hey! My Mum was a cabin crew for BA at LGW and I'm looking for apprenticeship on aero-notical engineer! I've already spoken to Mark Rose! Any tips for working in BA?
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Flyer55 i was told by a BACON cabin crew manager last week that there is no intention of the MAN 767 returning to mainline crews. But then again the BACON mismanagement live on a different planet to everbody else in the company!!!
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Im 767 trained out of LHR and I have not heard this rumour at all. Nice thought indeed but it wont happen!
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not heard the thing about virgin buyin gb but good to know that they are contracted until 2010, lots of rumours about them loosin the franchise,
i think that ba are cutting costs to go for an expansion in the not too distant future, they tried for american last but it wouldn't have worked because of the regulations in place at lhr, it's only a matter of time before they move to t5, lgw is running profitabley and they can reopen the man and gla bases (if gls closes) and then try to merge/take over another company maybe one of the franchises? gb or bmed or logan or somethin? what do people think?
i think that ba are cutting costs to go for an expansion in the not too distant future, they tried for american last but it wouldn't have worked because of the regulations in place at lhr, it's only a matter of time before they move to t5, lgw is running profitabley and they can reopen the man and gla bases (if gls closes) and then try to merge/take over another company maybe one of the franchises? gb or bmed or logan or somethin? what do people think?
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I believe GB will be coming out of the franchise next year.
It is true that the current deal is till 2010 but that doesn't mean they can't end it early.
GB has already parted company with BA engineering, Virgin now do our engineering. Ground handling may well be next if the current fiasco at LGW continues.
Virgin/GB tie up has been looked into by a commissioned independent finance group (strong rumour)
I think BA would be foolish to let it go but thats what its looking like. This'll also make EasyJet the biggest operator at LGW (BA was only bigger in passenger terms when you included GB figures) and therefore have some sort of right to the North Terminal.....
interesting stuff eh
BPM
It is true that the current deal is till 2010 but that doesn't mean they can't end it early.
GB has already parted company with BA engineering, Virgin now do our engineering. Ground handling may well be next if the current fiasco at LGW continues.
Virgin/GB tie up has been looked into by a commissioned independent finance group (strong rumour)
I think BA would be foolish to let it go but thats what its looking like. This'll also make EasyJet the biggest operator at LGW (BA was only bigger in passenger terms when you included GB figures) and therefore have some sort of right to the North Terminal.....
interesting stuff eh
BPM
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Gb Airways New Routes , 2007!!
27th September 2006
THREE NEW SERVICES FOR SUMMER 2007
GB Airways is to launch three new services from London for Summer 2007.
The airline will start flights from London Heathrow to Faro, from London Gatwick to Corfu and from London Gatwick to Mykonos.
The new flights will start in May 2007 and will be operated by Airbus A320 with Club Europe and Euro Traveller cabins.
GB Airways’ managing director Kevin Hatton said: “These new flights add key destinations to our network. Faro is important for leisure passengers and a gateway to the ever-increasing second home market in the Algarve.
These are the first full service scheduled flights to Corfu and Mykonos from the UK and open the islands up to the independent traveller who books their own flight on the internet as well as those customers who travel with our tour operator partners.”
Corfu and Mykonos become the third and fourth Greek islands on the network having launched flights to Rhodes last year and Heraklion in 2004.
The airline already operates up to four daily flights to Faro from London Gatwick and a daily service to the Portuguese island of Madeira.
I think GB Airways , is not leaving British Airways yet ( Which is a good thing ), And Mykonos is such a lovely destination .I'll have to book those hotline ticket's for next year , As standby would be full . Oh so excited , Great destination and to be looked after by fantastic GB Airways Crew .
THREE NEW SERVICES FOR SUMMER 2007
GB Airways is to launch three new services from London for Summer 2007.
The airline will start flights from London Heathrow to Faro, from London Gatwick to Corfu and from London Gatwick to Mykonos.
The new flights will start in May 2007 and will be operated by Airbus A320 with Club Europe and Euro Traveller cabins.
GB Airways’ managing director Kevin Hatton said: “These new flights add key destinations to our network. Faro is important for leisure passengers and a gateway to the ever-increasing second home market in the Algarve.
These are the first full service scheduled flights to Corfu and Mykonos from the UK and open the islands up to the independent traveller who books their own flight on the internet as well as those customers who travel with our tour operator partners.”
Corfu and Mykonos become the third and fourth Greek islands on the network having launched flights to Rhodes last year and Heraklion in 2004.
The airline already operates up to four daily flights to Faro from London Gatwick and a daily service to the Portuguese island of Madeira.
I think GB Airways , is not leaving British Airways yet ( Which is a good thing ), And Mykonos is such a lovely destination .I'll have to book those hotline ticket's for next year , As standby would be full . Oh so excited , Great destination and to be looked after by fantastic GB Airways Crew .
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surely if they came out of it it would cost them a fortune, and if they did surely ba would get their routes back? what would gb do without the ba franchise?
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I've got a mate who works for GB so will ask him when I see him next what the craic is. I'm sure he's probably off galavanting roung the far east somewhere.
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WLITS....just a quick diversion....
Congrats to you and mrs WLITS - cannot wait to see her to hear all the details!!! You chose my birthday as the big day so rest assured I and Mr FBW thought of you a lot!
(funnily enough my best friend gave birth to a little girl almost 2 months early on the same day! big coincidences!!)
Looking forward to seeing you very soon on the 3rd floor......
FBW
Congrats to you and mrs WLITS - cannot wait to see her to hear all the details!!! You chose my birthday as the big day so rest assured I and Mr FBW thought of you a lot!
(funnily enough my best friend gave birth to a little girl almost 2 months early on the same day! big coincidences!!)
Looking forward to seeing you very soon on the 3rd floor......
FBW
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Don't worry, there are no tests for your wing course (as far as I know!!) but you do need to have all your new entrant assesments completed and handed in before your course!!
Good luck and when you're in H6 why don't you come up to the 3rd floor to see if I really am who you think I am
FBW
(You are making me very curious now! Who could I be....)
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B&B Latest
"Dear Colleague,
We have met with your Trade Unions this week. The purpose of the meetings was to resolve the issue of Bed and Breakfast. As I previously communicated, there is a difference of opinion between the Company and your Representatives on the matter.
To date no solution has been found through the collective bargaining process. We intend to continue discussions and the Company have informally suggested using binding arbitration. This would take place with an independent third party and the outcome would be binding on both sides.
In addition to the Elapsed Hourly Rate you receive for subsistence British Airways has managed to negotiate food and beverage discounts in most of our hotels. For example crew receive a 25% discount on all food and beverages purchased in the hotel in Orlando.
We feel that the arrangements in Antigua merit a slightly different approach. We have asked the hotel to provide breakfast for the cabin crew, the cost of which will be picked up by British Airways. There is no food and beverage discount in the hotel in Antigua.
We are endeavouring to find a satisfactory outcome to this issue and ever effort is being made to ensure this happens. Independent arbitration is a way forward if both parties agree to this.
Thank you for your continued patience. "
Well that's the latest position, which IMHO, still stinks!
YD
We have met with your Trade Unions this week. The purpose of the meetings was to resolve the issue of Bed and Breakfast. As I previously communicated, there is a difference of opinion between the Company and your Representatives on the matter.
To date no solution has been found through the collective bargaining process. We intend to continue discussions and the Company have informally suggested using binding arbitration. This would take place with an independent third party and the outcome would be binding on both sides.
In addition to the Elapsed Hourly Rate you receive for subsistence British Airways has managed to negotiate food and beverage discounts in most of our hotels. For example crew receive a 25% discount on all food and beverages purchased in the hotel in Orlando.
We feel that the arrangements in Antigua merit a slightly different approach. We have asked the hotel to provide breakfast for the cabin crew, the cost of which will be picked up by British Airways. There is no food and beverage discount in the hotel in Antigua.
We are endeavouring to find a satisfactory outcome to this issue and ever effort is being made to ensure this happens. Independent arbitration is a way forward if both parties agree to this.
Thank you for your continued patience. "
Well that's the latest position, which IMHO, still stinks!
YD
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You're right YD, it does stink. They will have to really improve that hourly rate if they want to get away with not providing B&B.
Otherwise, and you have no idea how I feel really sorry to say it, it will be cheaper to stay at home!!!
The Hourly Allowance is NOT a substitute of the meal allowance that crew receive at LHR. This must be made clear!! There's no comparison between the two so I hope the Unions will put their foot down for once!!
I only know too well how expensive food can be in some hotels, and I also remember that when working for another company when Breakfast was not included, crew used to go out for breakfast all the time(hotels were charging a fortune) sometimes eating in dodgy places (because it was cheaper) and a few times I had to attend colleagues who caught listeria/salmonella/food poisoning. Not nice.
We'll see what happens. I hope this B&B matter is only affecting LH at the moment and I hope that SH is still the same, otherwise I can foresee a huge revolution!!
FBW
Otherwise, and you have no idea how I feel really sorry to say it, it will be cheaper to stay at home!!!
The Hourly Allowance is NOT a substitute of the meal allowance that crew receive at LHR. This must be made clear!! There's no comparison between the two so I hope the Unions will put their foot down for once!!
I only know too well how expensive food can be in some hotels, and I also remember that when working for another company when Breakfast was not included, crew used to go out for breakfast all the time(hotels were charging a fortune) sometimes eating in dodgy places (because it was cheaper) and a few times I had to attend colleagues who caught listeria/salmonella/food poisoning. Not nice.
We'll see what happens. I hope this B&B matter is only affecting LH at the moment and I hope that SH is still the same, otherwise I can foresee a huge revolution!!
FBW
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Really? Where are they going to magic up the slots for those then? And indeed where will they park them given that T5 isn't big enough for our existing operation.
How much is the hourly rate, as flight crew all get an hourly rate which is a substiture for the meal allowances they used to get at LHR. Whats different at LGW?
Originally Posted by flybywire
The Hourly Allowance is NOT a substitute of the meal allowance that crew receive at LHR. This must be made clear!! There's no comparison between the two so I hope the Unions will put their foot down for once!!
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We currently get £2.32 ph. The difference is the FD, from what I understand got a basic pay increase when they went to hourly flight pay, and the percentage of their wages that is made up from FHR is tiny compared to that of LGW CC.
I do agree with the LH though. No slots, Bermuda II to sort out, low revenue routes, don't think it'll happen.
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Really? Where are they going to magic up the slots for those then? And indeed where will they park them given that T5 isn't big enough for our existing operation.
How much is the hourly rate, as flight crew all get an hourly rate which is a substiture for the meal allowances they used to get at LHR. Whats different at LGW?
How much is the hourly rate, as flight crew all get an hourly rate which is a substiture for the meal allowances they used to get at LHR. Whats different at LGW?
We get about £2.30.
YD well done for explaining that
the basic pay increase basically pays for their breakfast.