Anything to do with Jetstar Recruitment (Merged)

[First Class Nuts]

Originally Posted by summa101

I went to the morning tea.....had references checked,medical and ASIC check done...and.... and....(sob...sob) i still havent heard anything.... and this was all done back in May: ..

The first interviews for JQI were in July, are you sure your not getting this mixed up with Jetstar domestic?

If I were you I would phone them to find out what the status of your application is
cheers

[male31]

Wouldnt it be exciting if the people who's references were checked, got an email today to invite them to morning tea to coincide with the launch of ticket sales for Jetstar International.

[summa101]

Originally Posted by First Class Nuts

The first interviews for JQI were in July, are you sure your not getting this mixed up with Jetstar domestic?

If I were you I would phone them to find out what the status of your application is
cheers

Hey First Class.... ..Yes it was domestic...but it still doesnt exuse them for not letting me know either way...and I would love to have access to a phone number to call...to put me out of my misery...or to simply re- apply again...but most airlines are not forthcoming with a phone number for just that reason....they dont want to be harrassed by the wannabes..like me to find out if we are in or not...

[ratstej]

Patience

When it comes to JQ recruitment you gotta have patience but at the same time be ready to bolt at the click of a finger! It hasnt changed from what it appears, my interviews where back towards startup and it wasnt till 4 days before the start of training that I got the call..... and the wait between the morning tea/Medical etc and that call can be a LONG time, however it seems they're mass recruiting as we speak, the amount of new faces you see everyday is HUGE! Its like an invasion, I have to say alot of the crew are extremely cocky. You all know who you are, so if your reading this, watch yourself.. its hella embaressing when you have a fellow crew member who most likely is much senior knocking you back into place. Also I Loved Ansett, as most of us did... but PLEASE! its over! leave it behind and get with the new system. Its great to talk about and remember but you havent carried over your years of service. Thankfully its a minority at the moment and they get knocked into place very quick surprisingly by the younger crew who've been in JQ from Starting Days, and the Good Old QantasLink and Impulse Crew!

Wow.. I got bitchy! ooops... my bad, you just have to some times

[ricciricardo]

Got this today, is it gentle NO?

I refer to your application for a Cabin Crew position within Jetstar Airways. Your application is still valid however due to business needs we do not have any dates set for the next stage of our recruitment process at this time.
To maintain your eligibility it is important that you keep all your qualifications eg Senior First Aid Certificate and Passport up to date via the Jetstar website. If you have not updated your details on this new system, please do so as soon as possible.
We will be in contact with you to arrange the next stage once dates have been determined. Thank you for your continued interest in Jetstar.
If you would like to apply for Jetstar's newest division Widebody Operations, please do so via the Jetstar website.
Many thanks for your patience and continued interest,
Jetstar Recruitment Team


I dont get the 'widebody' invitation! That's what it was all about

[OzyOS]

Is it really true that the FAAA will be taking no part in Jetstar International?

If this is at all true, it seriously causes great concern

How can an airline start without the unions getting involved....or does it mean that the FAAA are leaving the international conditions to fall under the domestic EBA? (which is atleast better than nothing at all!)

If anyone has any information regarding this it would be very much appreciated.

Cheers

[jetstarFA]

It is TRUE the FAAA will have no say in the INT operation of Jetstar......

Individual contracts for ALL

[ditzyboy]

And it was not too long ago that Jetstar described themselves as "an employer of choice..." Yeah right.

Anyone who joins JQI under AWAs as a non-union employee deserves absolutely everything that they WILL get. No difference in this operation and being a strikebreaker, really.

So is it really true, JetstarFA? No FAAA involvement? AWAs? Even I am somewhat shocked at how low Jetstar want to go.

[ShesGreatintheGalley]

as far as i know its true that the union wont be involved with the widebody crew.. i know the company were waiting for the narrowbody EBA to be approved to see what they would judge the widebody operating conditions on.. so i guess it will be a contract signed between you and the company and the conditions will be simmilar to the new narrowbody crews EBA but with much different pay scales, rest and allowances.
from what i have heard (which is only heresay as nothing has been released yet) its much worse and you would only do it if you were desperate to fly and had no other choice, or didnt need the money. i cant for the life of me understand why current jetstar FAs would leave a completley secure, relatively easy shorthaul flying job with an average (but certainly not lowest pay in the industry) to work for third world conditions, lower pay, minimal allowances and having to deal with 'jetstar' passengers for 8 hours on average at a time. If it was a full service airline i could kind of understand and i would probably apply too.. but for a low cost carrier.. i cringe at the issues they are going to have.. some which will come with territory regardless of how long the airline has been in operation. With little to no support from management, and conditions like that, i truly wish them the best of luck!

[ShesGreatintheGalley]

to be honest i dont see why the FAAA wouldnt let that be approved.. its not much different to what we do now at JQ... and if your agreement states you can work 16 hours.. there is nothing stopping them getting you to clean on the turnaround! this is JETSTAR.. you will be cleaning the cabin regardless of if you are getting off and a new crew getting on (even Alan joyce confirmed that to me PERSONALLY) or a turnaround.
they will only bring in cleaners for overnight/long port stay cleans.So even if you are part of the widebody crew, and getting off in Hawaii.. you will still be cleaning after the flight. the days of strolling off an aircraft behind the last passenger without cleaning are reserved for mainline crews only

[sebby]

Can someone tell me what exactly the crew do when they clean the aircraft?

I cant imagine doing that... do you get breaks during the day to make up for the fact that you dont get the 10 mins to sit down during the turnaround?

[priapism]

Leanne,

Ansett domestic F/A's did BOC Denpasar returns weekly from Mel and Syd. Blocked dutytime was approximately 14hours 15 and 14 hours 30 mins . These trips proved very popular amongst the older set as they attracted a 6 hour roster credit which meant much more time off . Feral punters though!

I am tipping no such roster credit for Jetstar. Absolute bloody minded attitude to staff- an attitude which seems to be permeating most of the industry now. I'm glad I'm out of it as I think I would be doing life with hard labour for murdering the nearest management spin doctor. One can only take so much bulls**t coated in sugar.

Cheers,

Priapism

[sheet]

JQ

leane7
16 hours rostered days are not so at JQ, however isnt it a different story at Jetconnect.From what you have posted JQI isnt what you want either!

[sebby]

Considering Jetconnect LH duties can be SYD - JNB I dont think it is out of the question for these hours to be on a typical roster... at least on a 747 you have a proper rest space and deteriorate over 12 hours with the pax and not have to refresh yourself to begin a new 5 hour sector with new excitable passengers (or not so excitable) ....

[ShesGreatintheGalley]

Jetstar says AWA move not union-busting

Jetstar says AWA move not union-busting

By Steve Creedy, Lisa Macnamara and AAP

August 14, 2006 12:50pm
Article from: NEWS.com.au
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20118996-2,00.html

BUDGET carrier Jetstar has denied it is trying to reduce union influence by employing all flight attendants on its new international service under Australian Workplace Agreements (AWAs).
Qantas's cut-price subsidiary announced today it is seeking an initial 200 long-haul cabin crew for its international service, which is scheduled to start flying to Asian destinations from November 23.

Jetstar chief executive Alan Joyce said the move would bring more flexibility to its workforce, and it was not about breaking the strong union involvement in Qantas's operations.

“This is all about achieving a long-haul international airline in a reasonable time-frame ... this is not about ideology,” Mr Joyce said in Melbourne today.

Jetstar's long-haul cabin crew will be paid between $41,000 and $46,000 for a 38-hour week, and the AWAs also include six weeks' annual leave as well as sick leave.

Staff will be paid bonuses if they speak additional languages, and a commission for in-flight sales of food, pillows and other goods to passengers.

Supervisory “customer service managers” will be employed under similar conditions as regular cabin crew, but for pay ranging from $54,000 – $60,000.

Mr Joyce said the AWAs will not represent a pay cut for existing long-haul flight attendants employed under collective agreements in Australia.

He also said more than 2800 applications from job seekers had been received, and the interview process was under way.

“I think that shows you how good the terms and conditions are,” Mr Joyce said.

“A good comparison is the starting salary for a school teacher here in Victoria is $44,000 plus super ... (and) they have to go through four years of training.

“They're (Jetstar cabin crew) are getting a package of $41,000 after five weeks' training.”

Jetstar's initial plans for its overseas operations include flying Airbus A330-200 aircraft into Bangkok, Phuket, Bali, Ho Chi Minh City, Osaka and Hawaii.

The airline will also take delivery of up to 15 Boeing 787 aircraft from late 2008, which will require 350 Australian-based crew.

Jetstar also has 575 cabin crew employed in its domestic operations under collective agreements.

Earlier today, Labor leader Kim Beazley attacked the contracts as an unwanted move towards US-style working for tips.

"I don't want to see an industrial system in this country where mainstream workers are working for American-style tips," Mr Beazley said.

"That's the sort of thing that is coming in via the Jetstar AWA and is likely to shift across to Qantas."
Mr Beazley said the Howard Government's industrial relations legislation was beginning to undermine the economic conditions of middle Australia.

The Flight Attendants Association of Australia fears the new employees will be forced to work longer for thousands of dollars less than their Qantas colleagues.

The five-year contracts will see part of the cabin crew's pay treated as a "productivity bonus". This will include extra hours worked and commissions from selling on-board food and entertainment.

"This is a really provocative move," said FAAA international division secretary Michael Mijatov.

Union fears for one of their traditional stongholds were heightened after Qantas chief Geoff Dixon told Channel 9 he planned to introduce individual contracts to other parts of Qantas. Mr Dixon emphasised the need for flexibility in the way the airline employed workers.

"We've been virtually a union-held company for many, many years," he said. "We have 16 unions, we have 45 enterprise bargaining agreements within the company and 20 of them, or 15 of them, are live at the moment. In other words we are negotiating them and ... we will be announcing very shortly that we are going to put AWAs into certain areas of the Qantas Group."

Unions vowed yesterday to fight the changes, accusing Qantas executives of receiving "obscene" salaries while trying to drive down the pay and conditions of airline workers. ACTU President Sharan Burrow said it was "incredible that Qantas - with the profits it's demonstrated, with the obscenity of the salary levels of management - can turn around to their own workers and say, 'We're going to force you onto AWAs'.

ACTU secretary Greg Combet said he would seek details about the proposed AWAs from Mr Dixon today. "We've worked well with Qantas over a long period of time to try to make sure the company improves its competitiveness," he said.

"It's been a very constructive relationship, so naturally any suggestions by Mr Dixon that the company might change its strategy away from collective bargaining and towards individual contracts is a concern to us."
Additional reporting: Paige Taylor

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and the media release from the company:


Jetstar Airways Pty Limited 14 August 2006 Melbourne (2 pages)

Jetstar Cabin Crew recruitment for international flying

Jetstar is to create an initial 200 new Flight Attendant positions within Australia with Australian Workplace
Agreements (AWA) to support its start-up of low fare international services to South East Asia, Japan and
the Asia Pacific, proposed from November this year.
The low fares airline plans to fly from Australia with an initial fleet of Airbus A330-200 aircraft offering two
classes of service, to popular international leisure destinations including Bangkok, Phuket, Bali, Ho Chi
Minh City, Osaka, and planned future flights to Hawaii. All services are subject to regulatory approval.
Jetstar will offer two Australian Workplace Agreements (AWA) for Cabin Crew and Customer Service
Managers, a supervisory role for Cabin Crew.
Jetstar will also establish an overseas Cabin Crew base in Bangkok, Thailand through a subsidiary of the
majority Qantas Group owned company, HTT.
The majority of Jetstar’s new long haul Cabin Crew positions however will be based within Australia at
commencement.
The AWAs for Cabin Crew and Customer Service Managers will be of 5 years in duration and include
annual wage rises with a competitive salary package also featuring a suite of entitlements and airline
industry related benefits.
The remuneration package for a Jetstar long haul Cabin Crew recruit will range between $41,000 - $46,000
per annum including superannuation for a 38 hour working week.
Entitlements within the Agreement include 6 weeks annual leave, guaranteed 8 rostered days off per 28
day roster period, sick leave, performance bonuses, special language payments for bilingual employees
and overseas living expense benefits.
Customer Service Managers’ remuneration package for a 38 hour week would range between $54,000 to
$60,000 per annum under their AWA with similarly aligned entitlements and conditions to Jetstar long haul
Cabin Crew.
Jetstar Chief Executive Officer Alan Joyce said the airline today directly employs almost 1600
Australians for its existing domestic and trans Tasman international services, and indirectly thousands
more people in support activities including Ground Handling, Airport Customer Service, Telephone
Reservations and Inflight Catering.
He said the airline had prospered through a range of workplace agreements including common collective
unionised and collective non-unionised agreements, fixed term and permanent common law contracts –
and would compete strongly on international routes from the mutual benefits derived to both the airline
and its workforce by the introduction of these Agreements.
“The Jetstar long haul operation is a new business with new international flying and with no existing
employees,” Mr Joyce said.
“Jetstar has significant interest for Cabin Crew roles with up to 15,000 applications received.
Jetstar Airways Pty Limited ABN 33 069 720 243
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“The benefits of the new Agreements will be attractive to many young Australians and will be vital in
helping to establish Jetstar as a growing international airline against overseas competitors which operate
with significantly lower costs.
“Jetstar is scheduled to take delivery of between 12-15 new generation Boeing 787 aircraft from late
2008 and this will require up to 350 Australian based Cabin Crew.”
Mr Joyce said Jetstar would continue to operate on the basis that the wages and salaries of its workforce
would incorporate components based on the existing and future performance of the company.
“Jetstar wants a mutually beneficial workplace arrangement for international Cabin Crew that best meets
the timing of these international services, as well as the operational and commercial needs of the new
business venture,” Mr Joyce said.
“This can be best achieved through Australian Workplace Agreements that provide a sound salary
package with attractive benefits and career progression.”
There is no change to existing Cabin Crew arrangements for Jetstar’s trans Tasman operations, supported
by a two aircraft Airbus 320 base in Christchurch.
In a further announcement, Jetstar has selected Gate Gourmet as its preferred provider of Catering
Services on its future long haul services.
The prominent chef Neil Perry will assist with service delivery, working with Gate Gourmet to deliver an
appealing on-board offering in both StarClass, Jetstar’s premium cabin and in Economy on Jetstar long
haul flights.
Jetstar has also confirmed it has selected Qantas as its preferred provider of Ground Handling and
Airport Customer Services for its international services at Sydney and Brisbane International Airports. At
Melbourne International Airport, Jetstar will provide Airport Customer Service functions including
customer check-in for its international flights with Express Ground Handling (EGH) providing Ground
Handling services.
On the Gold Coast, Oceania, an external service provider, will manage Jetstar’s customer service and
ramp functions for its twice weekly Gold Coast-Christchurch services.


Media Enquiries:
Simon Westaway General Manager - Corporate Relations Tel: [phone]
Simone Pregellio Jetstar Corporate Relations Tel: [phone]

[ditzyboy]

Dry it out - fertilise the lawn with it!!!

He also said more than 2800 applications from job seekers had been received, and the interview process was under way.

“I think that shows you how good the terms and conditions are,” Mr Joyce said.

What utter tripe! The salary and conditions have only just been made available. So these thousands of job seekers you speak of, Mr Joyce, did not know how bad the conditions really are. I guess they know now!

Oh and one other thing... Since when is overnight allowances / DTA counted as take home income? We fought at QFLink for better Onight Allowances and were continually told by management that these payments are for the sole purpose of eating etc on trips. We had to prove that what we were getting was not enough and were were told categorically that this allowance is fully expended and not part of take home pay.

Isn't it funny that these same managers are now talking up allowances as a way to boost income? Just makes them look even more foolish, if that's possible...

Mr Joyce said the AWAs will not represent a pay cut for existing long-haul flight attendants employed under collective agreements in Australia.

What the?! Where is he trying to go with that remark? Since when is $30k a year not a pay cut?

[sebby]

dont stand for this guys! You tell'm ditzy!

[mamslave]

questions..

So lets say a JQ international hostie earned $45K for the year. Lets take off $4050.00 for supperannuation....

So we have $40950.00

I am assuming they are including DTA/allowance in the pay, so lets take a further $15000 off the salary for an average of 12.5 night away from home each month. (am being generous here)

Gives you a base salary of $25950.00.

Does that sound right guys?

I aint that good with maths, any further input would be greatly appreciated.

That works out to be $13.23 per hour base pay, on top on that you need to add, super, DTA etc etc.(base pay divided by 38 hours per week over 12 months)

[ShesGreatintheGalley]

mamslave: i am under the impression that you are right there... was also hearing that this INCLUDED overtime payments? dont know how but it means that you wouldnt be taking home any more than the stated pay annually as it included EVERYTHING - allowances, overtime, commissions etc.

[LucyLou]

Is it true to say that JetStar International will be getting full staff travel?? More than JetConnect and Austalian Airlines crews...
Just curious - Were was this written Leane?