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Just urging all VB CC to attend the EBA forums.
Ask as many questions as you can. This is our chance to get the next EBA right for us. Get the information first hand rather than rely on rumours.
Sydney 7/4 10:00-12:00
Gold Coast 7/4 16:00-18:00
Melbourne 12/4 10:00-12:00; 13:00-15:00; 16:00-18:00
Melbourne 13/4 08:30-10:30; 11:00-13:00; 14:00-16:00
Brisbane 19/4 08:00-10:00; 11:00-13:00; 14:00-16:00
Brisbane 20/4 10:00-12:00; 14:00-16:00; 17:00-19:00
Post all relevent info here and don't forget to tell the other crew how to find it!
Ask as many questions as you can. This is our chance to get the next EBA right for us. Get the information first hand rather than rely on rumours.
Sydney 7/4 10:00-12:00
Gold Coast 7/4 16:00-18:00
Melbourne 12/4 10:00-12:00; 13:00-15:00; 16:00-18:00
Melbourne 13/4 08:30-10:30; 11:00-13:00; 14:00-16:00
Brisbane 19/4 08:00-10:00; 11:00-13:00; 14:00-16:00
Brisbane 20/4 10:00-12:00; 14:00-16:00; 17:00-19:00
Post all relevent info here and don't forget to tell the other crew how to find it!
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Its really REALLY important that we all attend these meetings and encourage as many other crew as possible - we MUST be informed on what we are voting on, this CAP371 has the potential to make or break us depending on the way its applied to our work rules.
Oh and by the way they are saying SEPTEMBER for our eba - one year after the current one expired
Oh and by the way they are saying SEPTEMBER for our eba - one year after the current one expired
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EBA INFO SESSION TOMORROW MELBOURNE
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We should all be going to these sessions - speak our minds - sort the facts from the fiction! I think we have a chance to make our working lives much better.
Make the effort!
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We should all be going to these sessions - speak our minds - sort the facts from the fiction! I think we have a chance to make our working lives much better.
Make the effort!
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Did anyone go to the EBA forum on the Gold Coast the other day?? I heard from someone today who went to one of the "Chappell Unplugged" sessions that they are getting rid of part-time, and are looking to replace it (over the next few years) with some other sort of system. Does any-one have any details on this? Was it bought up at any of the forums?
I am currently on holidays and am unable to make it to any of the forums so any info posted on here would really help me!
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I am currently on holidays and am unable to make it to any of the forums so any info posted on here would really help me!
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Ongoing.....
I can't believe that the negotiations are STILL underway....
Get in there fellow Virgin Blue crew - have your say NOW rather than waiting for conditions that we are not happy with and are then unable to change!
Please keep us updated via PPRUNE guys - we exchangers over here in London are really keen to know what is going on - also keen to know about the 'backpay' that we are to receive (assuming that you guys are still waiting for this?)
Get in there fellow Virgin Blue crew - have your say NOW rather than waiting for conditions that we are not happy with and are then unable to change!
Please keep us updated via PPRUNE guys - we exchangers over here in London are really keen to know what is going on - also keen to know about the 'backpay' that we are to receive (assuming that you guys are still waiting for this?)
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OzFlyBoy I think its fair to assume you guys wont recieve any backpay - I did not recieve my profit bonus whilst I was on exchange, even though I had worked for half the year the profit bonus related to... 
And not sure if everyone read that book thingy they gave us in our dropfiles, but it said the EBA is not expected until September - and it definately wont be presented to us until the pilots finalised, voted and signed off on
And not sure if everyone read that book thingy they gave us in our dropfiles, but it said the EBA is not expected until September - and it definately wont be presented to us until the pilots finalised, voted and signed off on
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I have attended one of the forums, quite interesting.
Looks like back pay will be paid next month then after that we will get the 3%pay rise as part of the interim arrangements until new EBA certified. Some new work rules will also be finalised mid May for us to have a look at.
The new PBS system sounds far better than the current one. Possibly starting out with 20 bids per month then maybe increasing. Also the possible introduction of Flexible Work Arrangements, where you can pick up or drop work, this will not be replacing part-time.
Just a note, Cabin Crew work rules have not been finalised yet, so don't believe what the pilots are telling you. VB understand that being on your feet all day looking after the punters is different to sitting down, asking for tea and coffee.
I'll make up my own mind about CAP 371 fatigue management system when I see some data, but all involved think it will be positive. Have to wait and see.
They are planning other forums in July to go through rosters and pairings under new FMS. So stay tuned.
Looks like back pay will be paid next month then after that we will get the 3%pay rise as part of the interim arrangements until new EBA certified. Some new work rules will also be finalised mid May for us to have a look at.
The new PBS system sounds far better than the current one. Possibly starting out with 20 bids per month then maybe increasing. Also the possible introduction of Flexible Work Arrangements, where you can pick up or drop work, this will not be replacing part-time.
Just a note, Cabin Crew work rules have not been finalised yet, so don't believe what the pilots are telling you. VB understand that being on your feet all day looking after the punters is different to sitting down, asking for tea and coffee.
I'll make up my own mind about CAP 371 fatigue management system when I see some data, but all involved think it will be positive. Have to wait and see.
They are planning other forums in July to go through rosters and pairings under new FMS. So stay tuned.
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Thanks Flying Frypan for your info. Good to hear some of the things that are being offered.
Just a reminder for everyone.... look at everything. Last EBA negotiations a certain FAAA employee had a bad habit of telling us only the good things and glossing over (lying to our faces) the bad. We got screwed and he got a job with VB cabin crew management. Hopefully we will be better looked after this time, but for many of us the wound is still hurting!!!
I just want an EBA that is fair- one that looks after the crew(keeps us happy and healthy),and allows the company to grow. (Bugger- someone just woke me up from my day-dream
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Just a reminder for everyone.... look at everything. Last EBA negotiations a certain FAAA employee had a bad habit of telling us only the good things and glossing over (lying to our faces) the bad. We got screwed and he got a job with VB cabin crew management. Hopefully we will be better looked after this time, but for many of us the wound is still hurting!!!
I just want an EBA that is fair- one that looks after the crew(keeps us happy and healthy),and allows the company to grow. (Bugger- someone just woke me up from my day-dream
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CAP 371 is being introduced by the company for one reason only and that is to increase productivity. This fatigue management system, PBS and the international carrots are there to help sell CAP 371.
I can understand that the FAAA and VB want to increase our productivity because the pay rises we are getting have to come from somewhere. However I expect you will be working closer to the 140 hours a month as opposed to the current rosters where you get on average about 100 hours a month.
CAP 371 comes from the UK and I would love to know what sort of EBA's (contracts) are in place in the UK. Our new PBS (preferrential bidding system) is currently used by WestJet (Canada) which probably has a completely different EBA.
More research needs to be done by talking to our collegues in these companies and I await with baited breath the actual modeled rosters that will be shown to us at the next forum.
Meanwhile nothing mentioned about the rest of the issues that I am sure people have. Such as will there be a CabinCrew level 3,4,5 and 6 for those people who have been with the company for all these years now. Also why aren't CabinSupervisors getting paid more than crew. I am often told that some crew regularly earn more than CS's.
Make sure we get what we want not just what the company wants.
I can understand that the FAAA and VB want to increase our productivity because the pay rises we are getting have to come from somewhere. However I expect you will be working closer to the 140 hours a month as opposed to the current rosters where you get on average about 100 hours a month.
CAP 371 comes from the UK and I would love to know what sort of EBA's (contracts) are in place in the UK. Our new PBS (preferrential bidding system) is currently used by WestJet (Canada) which probably has a completely different EBA.
More research needs to be done by talking to our collegues in these companies and I await with baited breath the actual modeled rosters that will be shown to us at the next forum.
Meanwhile nothing mentioned about the rest of the issues that I am sure people have. Such as will there be a CabinCrew level 3,4,5 and 6 for those people who have been with the company for all these years now. Also why aren't CabinSupervisors getting paid more than crew. I am often told that some crew regularly earn more than CS's.
Make sure we get what we want not just what the company wants.
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However I expect you will be working closer to the 140 hours a month as opposed to the current rosters where you get on average about 100 hours a month
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Hi All,
Attended one the EBA forums today, thought I'd share some info with you all.
Bare in mind that these are all proposed plans and are subject to the EBA being voted up. Also under this is the Kronos bidding system and CAP 371 fatigue management system.
-Possible 5 sector days
-Min rest change to 12hrs or duty -1 whichever is greater
-1-7 day dutys (if 7 day duty = 2 trips/month)
-split dutys eg sign on late BNE-ROK 10hrs hotel rest then early ROK-BNE all duty time
-sign off extended to 30mins
-PBS system to be implemented in 3 phases over 2 yrs. start with 16 bids
-3mth rollover for bidding satisfaction
-737 ops only under this arrangement (but are LH and regional just around the corner?)
-blank days can be nominated to work if you want to earn the big $
-9-10 DDO/month minimum... you work longer days you get more days off
Saw some dummy rosters and trip patterns and it all looks fairly good.
Sounds pretty positive. The new CC Manager seems perfect for the job is genuinely concerned about crew. That's a plus for me.
Next update in August with a draft EBA to discuss. Looking forward to it.
Attended one the EBA forums today, thought I'd share some info with you all.
Bare in mind that these are all proposed plans and are subject to the EBA being voted up. Also under this is the Kronos bidding system and CAP 371 fatigue management system.
-Possible 5 sector days
-Min rest change to 12hrs or duty -1 whichever is greater
-1-7 day dutys (if 7 day duty = 2 trips/month)
-split dutys eg sign on late BNE-ROK 10hrs hotel rest then early ROK-BNE all duty time
-sign off extended to 30mins
-PBS system to be implemented in 3 phases over 2 yrs. start with 16 bids
-3mth rollover for bidding satisfaction
-737 ops only under this arrangement (but are LH and regional just around the corner?)
-blank days can be nominated to work if you want to earn the big $
-9-10 DDO/month minimum... you work longer days you get more days off
Saw some dummy rosters and trip patterns and it all looks fairly good.
Sounds pretty positive. The new CC Manager seems perfect for the job is genuinely concerned about crew. That's a plus for me.
Next update in August with a draft EBA to discuss. Looking forward to it.
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Frypan:
Love the PBS and hope that it works the way its supposed to,
however,
14 hour days are a possibility, 5 sector days are as well. Most days seem to be between 9-10 hours which is fine for me as it means more days off or potential for O/T (waiting to see what the offer is). 28 day roster which means 13 rosters per annum which under current rules would be an extra 140 hours for no benefit at this stage. Also Mel-Drw-Mel would be a single crew, no paxing, possibility also of some east coast-Per returns as well I guess, and potentially some of PB's flying if they decided to merge us with Kiwis.
Still need more information but the sessions are definitely worth going to if your interested in the truth and not just back galley gossip.
FAAA not present which also was a concern at this stage seeing as we are supposed to be voting on the EBA in Sept if all goes well. Waiting to hear what the Association has to say about it all. Currently VB CC is over 80% membership so if you aint in the union now is a good time to sign up and show the company that we are sticking together.
Love the PBS and hope that it works the way its supposed to,
however,
14 hour days are a possibility, 5 sector days are as well. Most days seem to be between 9-10 hours which is fine for me as it means more days off or potential for O/T (waiting to see what the offer is). 28 day roster which means 13 rosters per annum which under current rules would be an extra 140 hours for no benefit at this stage. Also Mel-Drw-Mel would be a single crew, no paxing, possibility also of some east coast-Per returns as well I guess, and potentially some of PB's flying if they decided to merge us with Kiwis.
Still need more information but the sessions are definitely worth going to if your interested in the truth and not just back galley gossip.
FAAA not present which also was a concern at this stage seeing as we are supposed to be voting on the EBA in Sept if all goes well. Waiting to hear what the Association has to say about it all. Currently VB CC is over 80% membership so if you aint in the union now is a good time to sign up and show the company that we are sticking together.
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What were the dummy patterns and rosters - can you remember? I will be going to the BNE forum next week, but would be interested to know before that what the proposed patterns are like. I have seen the tech crew proposed patterns - ouch - however am keeping my mind open about ours until I see them and can form an opinion of my own.
Any word on proposed $$? 13 rosters per annum - are they saying 140 hours per roster still? So thats 140 hours extra, per crew member per year - the $$ would want to reflect that fact...
Any word on proposed $$? 13 rosters per annum - are they saying 140 hours per roster still? So thats 140 hours extra, per crew member per year - the $$ would want to reflect that fact...
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They had patterns and rosters printed in 2 a4 sized holders. Looks like a few weeks worth of reading for you Sinala. I was told they would be available in the DM's offices.
As for the 140 it is under negotiation and I would like to see about 120 per 28 days, 129 is the exact amount so I guessing the company will go for 135 and negotiate down. You know what they are like.
As for the 140 it is under negotiation and I would like to see about 120 per 28 days, 129 is the exact amount so I guessing the company will go for 135 and negotiate down. You know what they are like.
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14 hour days! 5 sector days. 7 day trips! JFC! I'm sure I'll need lots of extra days off to recover from one of those. 
Maybe they need to include remedial massage in the EBA.
There is no way I'm doing an extra 140 hours per year on the same money! 129 per roster is more inline with what we do now.
Got an email from FAAA. They said they weren't going to forums because they were not happy with the work rules. I can see why.
Not sure if I will attend in Brissie if FAAA not going - too much company blahblah. I am a bit curious though. If rosters are going to be at DM, may just go have a peek.
We work hard for this company, I just hope the appreciate it!
Love,
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Maybe they need to include remedial massage in the EBA.There is no way I'm doing an extra 140 hours per year on the same money! 129 per roster is more inline with what we do now.
Got an email from FAAA. They said they weren't going to forums because they were not happy with the work rules. I can see why.
Not sure if I will attend in Brissie if FAAA not going - too much company blahblah. I am a bit curious though. If rosters are going to be at DM, may just go have a peek.
We work hard for this company, I just hope the appreciate it!
Love,
Adam
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Is it true we have 80% union membership? If that is true, and 80% of crew got this email, which, according to Adam_Ant states that the FAAA are not attending the forums because they are not happy with the work rules - then there is about 2/3 of fcuk all chance of this eba getting voted in...