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EEC Hours Restriction
The EEC has just enacted a law which restricts the hours Cabin Crew can fly to 950 per calendar year.BA is conducting walk-ins for CC to make up the shortfall in crew that this will create.
Many of the applicants have been from the QF LHR base.
The attrition rate in QF LHR base is about to get a whole lot higher.
The rosters of the same base are about to get a whole lot shorter in hours.
Wonder how this will affect the KPIs of the base?
Dixon`s repsonse?
Many of the applicants have been from the QF LHR base.
The attrition rate in QF LHR base is about to get a whole lot higher.
The rosters of the same base are about to get a whole lot shorter in hours.
Wonder how this will affect the KPIs of the base?
Dixon`s repsonse?
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Just on the 950 hour rule for the EEC....does that mean blox to blox or is it FDP as measured from sign on to sign off as Qantas do it??
I would have thought that in Australia we currently do significantly less than that as a long Haul flight attendant if you calculate is as a blox exercise on a 186 hour per bid period average? That is of course taking a six week holiday per annum reduction in hours inito the equation.
Certainly bodes badly for LHR where the leave is not as high and they are expected to work up to 240 hours like the kiwi's before getting extra pay.
I will investigate the veracity of this and watch it closely
I would have thought that in Australia we currently do significantly less than that as a long Haul flight attendant if you calculate is as a blox exercise on a 186 hour per bid period average? That is of course taking a six week holiday per annum reduction in hours inito the equation.
Certainly bodes badly for LHR where the leave is not as high and they are expected to work up to 240 hours like the kiwi's before getting extra pay.
I will investigate the veracity of this and watch it closely
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To Lurker @ R5
Just a thought...you might want to call the FAAA and talk to a senior official or Industrial Officer about your concerns.
Info to hand is that the New IR laws make it impossible for us to have any agreement with Qantas that regulates contracted work...it's just got a whole lot more complicated.
Give MM a call and discuss it with him... The FAAA like all Unions and Legal Eagles in the country are currently sifting through the new laws and just interpreting the intent and extent of the reach of some of them is baffling some of the greated legal minds at universitys and Attorney Generals in the States..
I get the Sentiment about the 200 jobs in London and its not beyond reason that people would want the jobs to go to Australians, its about legal capacity rather than inherrent desire
Just a thought...you might want to call the FAAA and talk to a senior official or Industrial Officer about your concerns.
Info to hand is that the New IR laws make it impossible for us to have any agreement with Qantas that regulates contracted work...it's just got a whole lot more complicated.
Give MM a call and discuss it with him... The FAAA like all Unions and Legal Eagles in the country are currently sifting through the new laws and just interpreting the intent and extent of the reach of some of them is baffling some of the greated legal minds at universitys and Attorney Generals in the States..
I get the Sentiment about the 200 jobs in London and its not beyond reason that people would want the jobs to go to Australians, its about legal capacity rather than inherrent desire
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Originally Posted by lurker@R5
I repeat - is the FAAA EXEC going to do anything to ensure the 200 jobs in LHR remain in Aust. crew hands - or are they going to just wash their hands of the whole enterprise?
Its 200 FULL TIME QANTAS L/H F/A JOBS W'RE TALKING ABOUT - can you boys think outside the square? The Company can't let the whole base go Pom if they are to keep the Spirit of Aust. Spin going - I'm sure they'd be prepared to negotiate - this is an example where we have to get off our industrial arses and commence negotiations rather than just reacting chidishly to the latest press release from Management.
Its 200 FULL TIME QANTAS L/H F/A JOBS W'RE TALKING ABOUT - can you boys think outside the square? The Company can't let the whole base go Pom if they are to keep the Spirit of Aust. Spin going - I'm sure they'd be prepared to negotiate - this is an example where we have to get off our industrial arses and commence negotiations rather than just reacting chidishly to the latest press release from Management.
Do you think management cares about the spirit of Australia! get real!!!
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LONDON BASE AND COMMENTS BY lurker@R5
Cartexchange well said! I would have replied in a slightly different manner, but you have summed it up pretty effectively.
lurker@R5, i can now understand why Lesley Grant has found it necessary to issue a general letter to all cabin crew regarding the use of drugs.
Clearly, you are on the funny stuff, because numerous FAAA newsletters on the LHR Base and it's status, has clearly not got through to you.
TO RE-ITERATE:-
1)THE FAAA DID NOT AND DOES NOT SUPPORT THE LHR BASE OR ANY OVERSEAS BASE THAT TAKES OUR JOBS AND ACTS TO THREATEN OUR CONDITIONS.
2)PEOPLE WHO WORK IN LONDON ARE IN ANOTHER COUNTRY AND UNDER THE LAWS OF THAT COUNTRY. THE FAAA IS NOT A LEGAL ENTITY IN THE UK AND THEREFORE CANNOT NEGOTIATE ON BEHALF OF CREW EMPLOYED IN THE LONDON BASE.
3) CREW IN LHR ARE REPRESENTED BY A UNION CALLED AMICUS. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO CAN LEGALLY NEGOTIATE FOR THOSE CREW.
4)THE FAAA IS NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF FACILITATING JOBS GOING TO LHR BASE. WE WANT THE JOBS HERE IN AUSTRALIA,
5) THE FAAA CONTINUES TO SAY TO OUR CREW NOT TO TAKE UP THE LHR POSITIONS BECAUSE YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE RIGHT OF RETURN THAT YOU MAY THINK YOU HAVE.
6) CREW THAT HAVE GONE UP TO LHR ARE CONTACTING THE FAAA TO AID THEM IN DISMISSAL ACTIONS ETC. UNFORTUNATELY, WE CANNOT HELP AND WE INDICATED THAT TO EVERYONE WHO WAS CONTEMPLATING GOING UP THERE IN 2004.
Anyone considering going to LHR, does it without FAAA support and at their own peril. The recent IR changes in Australia , also cast doubt about the so-called right of return, that people who might be thinking of going up there, might think that they have.
Finally, as my colleague Cartexchange so eloquently put it, the FAAA is not going to waste our resources supporting imbeciles who go to LHR and support a base that is being used to undercut our members and our conditions.
CAPICHE????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????
lurker@R5, i can now understand why Lesley Grant has found it necessary to issue a general letter to all cabin crew regarding the use of drugs.
Clearly, you are on the funny stuff, because numerous FAAA newsletters on the LHR Base and it's status, has clearly not got through to you.
TO RE-ITERATE:-
1)THE FAAA DID NOT AND DOES NOT SUPPORT THE LHR BASE OR ANY OVERSEAS BASE THAT TAKES OUR JOBS AND ACTS TO THREATEN OUR CONDITIONS.
2)PEOPLE WHO WORK IN LONDON ARE IN ANOTHER COUNTRY AND UNDER THE LAWS OF THAT COUNTRY. THE FAAA IS NOT A LEGAL ENTITY IN THE UK AND THEREFORE CANNOT NEGOTIATE ON BEHALF OF CREW EMPLOYED IN THE LONDON BASE.
3) CREW IN LHR ARE REPRESENTED BY A UNION CALLED AMICUS. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO CAN LEGALLY NEGOTIATE FOR THOSE CREW.
4)THE FAAA IS NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF FACILITATING JOBS GOING TO LHR BASE. WE WANT THE JOBS HERE IN AUSTRALIA,
5) THE FAAA CONTINUES TO SAY TO OUR CREW NOT TO TAKE UP THE LHR POSITIONS BECAUSE YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE RIGHT OF RETURN THAT YOU MAY THINK YOU HAVE.
6) CREW THAT HAVE GONE UP TO LHR ARE CONTACTING THE FAAA TO AID THEM IN DISMISSAL ACTIONS ETC. UNFORTUNATELY, WE CANNOT HELP AND WE INDICATED THAT TO EVERYONE WHO WAS CONTEMPLATING GOING UP THERE IN 2004.
Anyone considering going to LHR, does it without FAAA support and at their own peril. The recent IR changes in Australia , also cast doubt about the so-called right of return, that people who might be thinking of going up there, might think that they have.
Finally, as my colleague Cartexchange so eloquently put it, the FAAA is not going to waste our resources supporting imbeciles who go to LHR and support a base that is being used to undercut our members and our conditions.
CAPICHE????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????
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The New QF Y/C Service(Circus)
Never,has so much been offered, to so many, by so few.
Twenty minute break between SYD and HKG.
Service Schedule:
Headsets
Towels
Bar/Menus
Documentation
Lunch
Ice Cream
Water
Cart Exchange
Choclate/Chamomile
Fruit
Noodles
Duty Free
305 pax
Flt time 8hrs 10 minutes
All this with 6 crew
Oh and BTW
65 FFlyers and 36 SPMLs
I have never felt so absolutely shattered and depressed
Twenty minute break between SYD and HKG.
Service Schedule:
Headsets
Towels
Bar/Menus
Documentation
Lunch
Ice Cream
Water
Cart Exchange
Choclate/Chamomile
Fruit
Noodles
Duty Free
305 pax
Flt time 8hrs 10 minutes
All this with 6 crew
Oh and BTW
65 FFlyers and 36 SPMLs
I have never felt so absolutely shattered and depressed
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y/c ........rehash !
Agree with you La trois femme !!!!
I too have just retuned from the "trip from hell" with this new/exceptional innovation dreampt up by some "goon" lurking in the shadows of QCC/1.
How the hell is anyone supposed to get thru this service.?
We did a MEL-SIN.
Flight time 6.45 hrs. Meal Service in Y/C took 4.15 hrs. We had 20 min off each then it was into the Refreshment (rushed). The punters were understandably spewing on their Hot choc ( by the way -it tastes like crap-if a diabetic drank some it would send them into a instant seizure then coma !!!! )
The service would be fine ....................IF we had 20 crew running around in their Macca's aprons. But NO. What do they do ???? Load it up -to piss of as many people ( Pax & crew) as possible.
Well , let me tell you they have succeeded
You win BOOFHEADS............happy now???????
and as for the new PA's. what a hoot. that was the only bright part of the trip-listening to the CSM stutter and bumble his way thru the innovative , barstardisation of the English language.
eg:
"HELLO EVERYONE"....................oh really is this Qantas or Jet *?????
Then there is the Briefing Rooms............no I'll refrain and have another glass of Cab Sav instead!!!!!!
I too have just retuned from the "trip from hell" with this new/exceptional innovation dreampt up by some "goon" lurking in the shadows of QCC/1.
How the hell is anyone supposed to get thru this service.?
We did a MEL-SIN.
Flight time 6.45 hrs. Meal Service in Y/C took 4.15 hrs. We had 20 min off each then it was into the Refreshment (rushed). The punters were understandably spewing on their Hot choc ( by the way -it tastes like crap-if a diabetic drank some it would send them into a instant seizure then coma !!!! )
The service would be fine ....................IF we had 20 crew running around in their Macca's aprons. But NO. What do they do ???? Load it up -to piss of as many people ( Pax & crew) as possible.
Well , let me tell you they have succeeded
You win BOOFHEADS............happy now???????
and as for the new PA's. what a hoot. that was the only bright part of the trip-listening to the CSM stutter and bumble his way thru the innovative , barstardisation of the English language.
eg:
"HELLO EVERYONE"....................oh really is this Qantas or Jet *?????
Then there is the Briefing Rooms............no I'll refrain and have another glass of Cab Sav instead!!!!!!
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RE: LHR Base !
Good points G1. & C ex. Just as a side note on LHR, I met a Qantas accounts assistant dealing with the management of the LHR base through some mutual friends. Apparently on latest count, to save the stated $18million in costs, the base is costing Qantas an estimated $23million on an adjusted per annum basis, with the figures going more into the RED every month. This whole LHR base was an exercise in "We can do it" and management bonus' through missleading shareholders, not about real savings.
Creative accounting to achieve a Bonus is one of QF managements favourite priorities .
Creative accounting to achieve a Bonus is one of QF managements favourite priorities .
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faaa and the quinella
A quote from Guardian1
“the former officials, who had a perfect opportunity to undertake industrial action as pushed by MM and AS , but who chose capitulation..” …
This is from the current leaders who told us to give in to intimidation from the company with the jfk vote….
You can’t have it both way girls…..do you want us to capitulate and roll over like some lap dog or fight back?
Capiche…..
“the former officials, who had a perfect opportunity to undertake industrial action as pushed by MM and AS , but who chose capitulation..” …
This is from the current leaders who told us to give in to intimidation from the company with the jfk vote….
You can’t have it both way girls…..do you want us to capitulate and roll over like some lap dog or fight back?
Capiche…..
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Guardian1 - I agree with alot of what you have stated. Though calling the Australian crew who went to London " Imbeciles" is not a very fair thing to do. They all went for their own reasons. They don't care what others think - if their preference, for whatever reason, was to go to London - then that was their decision, it is their life, just like ours is ours. Most decided not to take the London basing - the minority that did, obviously thought long and hard about it and it suited them ..... suited THEM.... they did not need to consider anyone else. Consequences or not - I understand that most crew up there knew that Qantas , before they even left OZ, could not be trusted - and when the time comes to return there was the possibility of Qantas trying something or other to " get rid " of them. I don't think it will come as a surprise to them if it does, though there is of course the huge possibility that nothing will happen and they will return without any problems. Let's just let the London crew alone - they are doing a good job - and customer complements for them is 40 times that of any other base with Qantas ( information provided to crew recently apparently) and way above Qantas' expectations, they do a good job- and let's face it, it is not a difficult job at all - we should be happy they are at least helping us keep our customers flying with us and keeping us in employment - regardless of all the changes and mess we are going through. Let's try not to get personal - so let's use words in their correct context.
im·be·cile ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mb-sl, -sl)
n.
A stupid or silly person; a dolt.
A person whose mental acumen is well below par.
A person of moderate to severe mental retardation having a mental age of from three to seven years and generally being capable of some degree of communication and performance of simple tasks under supervision. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.
If the London crew are " Imbeciles" and are doing the same job as we are, then what does that say about us? THE LONDON CREW do not fit the above description, in fact, none of us do - so let's not use it again.
im·be·cile ( P ) Pronunciation Key (mb-sl, -sl)
n.
A stupid or silly person; a dolt.
A person whose mental acumen is well below par.
A person of moderate to severe mental retardation having a mental age of from three to seven years and generally being capable of some degree of communication and performance of simple tasks under supervision. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.
If the London crew are " Imbeciles" and are doing the same job as we are, then what does that say about us? THE LONDON CREW do not fit the above description, in fact, none of us do - so let's not use it again.
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Originally Posted by rubarb
Guardian1 - I agree with alot of what you have stated. Though calling the Australian crew who went to London " Imbeciles" is not a very fair thing to do. They all went for their own reasons. They don't care what others think - if their preference, for whatever reason, was to go to London - then that was their decision, it is their life, just like ours is ours. Most decided not to take the London basing - the minority that did, obviously thought long and hard about it and it suited them ..... suited THEM.... they did not need to consider anyone else. .
what do you think we should call them......genious! smart ! or super selfish!
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..Sources inside QF say that when the dopes come back from LHR they will be assigned there entire entitlement of LSL as a welcome back present.
Apparently as we have been having our LSL assigned to us the crew who went up to london have missed out on the little pleasure we have all enjoyed..
Well lets hope they are saving their pennies while they are up there as they will need it to support them on their LSL when they come back
The chickens are indeed coming home to roost
Apparently as we have been having our LSL assigned to us the crew who went up to london have missed out on the little pleasure we have all enjoyed..
Well lets hope they are saving their pennies while they are up there as they will need it to support them on their LSL when they come back
The chickens are indeed coming home to roost
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you watch they will then rejoin the FAAA and scream and jump up and down about the union doing nothing about the LSL.
If what you say is true Pegasus then this will only endear the "visitors" to the rest of us crew! wont that be a change.
If what you say is true Pegasus then this will only endear the "visitors" to the rest of us crew! wont that be a change.
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You lot down there in Oz should get over yourselves.
Got your attention? OK. First dont be insulted it was meant to get your attention. Please stop bitching about the LHR base, believe me it the least of your worries. The aviation industry is changing and in this part of the world its fast and if you dont keep up you will go. I have seen it at my own airline when we have all tied to stick together to stop being done over by the management and a few of your colleagues use it and ruin it for the rest. And I have seen it when we have stuck together and they just went right ahead and recruited from outside. Dont fight each other and do your managements job for them. They love it when your divided its stops you from seeing what is really going on.
Look up and fight for your future not the past.
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Got your attention? OK. First dont be insulted it was meant to get your attention. Please stop bitching about the LHR base, believe me it the least of your worries. The aviation industry is changing and in this part of the world its fast and if you dont keep up you will go. I have seen it at my own airline when we have all tied to stick together to stop being done over by the management and a few of your colleagues use it and ruin it for the rest. And I have seen it when we have stuck together and they just went right ahead and recruited from outside. Dont fight each other and do your managements job for them. They love it when your divided its stops you from seeing what is really going on.
Look up and fight for your future not the past.
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PER Base..............rebirth ????????????????????
Just read in the Sunday "rag" that the latest ( additional ) QF order of 30 Boeing 787 Dreamliners will mean that PER will be the NEW HUB -enabling the rat to fly PER-LHR., PER-FRA , PER-and beyond ????
Must really warm the hearts of all those EX long haulers who are pelting out cardboxes on the PER-KTA flights ????????
I want to know the name of the Strategic Planning "genius" who did not have the foresight to keep these Australians in positions that they originally signed up for. Because , guess what in 2-3 years time , that same P--CK will probably announce at a WA Expo on the Swan River-
"ISN'T QANTAS A GREAT EMPLOYER , WE HAVE DECIDED TO OPEN UP A FIRST FOR THE STATE OF WA.................A LONG HAUL BASE FOR OUR NEW 787's".......applause. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think the QF Slogan for 2006 will have to be :
BACK TO THE FUTURE ! (sic)
Must really warm the hearts of all those EX long haulers who are pelting out cardboxes on the PER-KTA flights ????????
I want to know the name of the Strategic Planning "genius" who did not have the foresight to keep these Australians in positions that they originally signed up for. Because , guess what in 2-3 years time , that same P--CK will probably announce at a WA Expo on the Swan River-
"ISN'T QANTAS A GREAT EMPLOYER , WE HAVE DECIDED TO OPEN UP A FIRST FOR THE STATE OF WA.................A LONG HAUL BASE FOR OUR NEW 787's".......applause. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think the QF Slogan for 2006 will have to be :
BACK TO THE FUTURE ! (sic)
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New PA
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I agree with you, but the solution is simple, DON'T do them, no one is doing them in Long Haul, we are all simply ignoring them!
What is really sad is that crew were the ones that thought of the wording! now that is a worry!
I agree with you, but the solution is simple, DON'T do them, no one is doing them in Long Haul, we are all simply ignoring them!
What is really sad is that crew were the ones that thought of the wording! now that is a worry!