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The only reason I don't post rumours on here BANB is that people like yourself may be reading this and making career decisions based on what they read.
Making those choices based on rumour is not good in my opinion, so I try to only post facts, especially at a time like this.
For example look at BIGFLAPS posting one thing, and flyer55 posting the opposite. No one is the wiser, and people go to work annoyed and frustrated. Or new people like yourself are even more confused.
If you want a more extreme example look at the BA pilots to stirke thread, same thing.
After speaking to a union rep it would seem the deal has been done and all details will be releases in forums next week.
Whatever happens...happens. Only a few days to wait now and the facts will be in the open for all to see.
Then I will post them and my thoughts on them.
Sounds boring I know, but at the moment that's the way I'm gonna play this game
Making those choices based on rumour is not good in my opinion, so I try to only post facts, especially at a time like this.
For example look at BIGFLAPS posting one thing, and flyer55 posting the opposite. No one is the wiser, and people go to work annoyed and frustrated. Or new people like yourself are even more confused.
If you want a more extreme example look at the BA pilots to stirke thread, same thing.
After speaking to a union rep it would seem the deal has been done and all details will be releases in forums next week.
Whatever happens...happens. Only a few days to wait now and the facts will be in the open for all to see.
Then I will post them and my thoughts on them.
Sounds boring I know, but at the moment that's the way I'm gonna play this game
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Oh...by the way.
If you have no transport I would suggest accomadation near a train station, either Crawley, Three Bridges, or Ifield.
Horley is ok, but a touch dull and nightlife is nowhere near that of Crawley!
Also if your near Crawley/ Three Bridges you can be within walking distance of shops, pubs, etc etc.
Just advice but you will need a life outside of work, trust me!
Hope your saving you pennies by the way. Remember...First 2 months the wages will be rubbish! (Around £600 - £700)
If you have no transport I would suggest accomadation near a train station, either Crawley, Three Bridges, or Ifield.
Horley is ok, but a touch dull and nightlife is nowhere near that of Crawley!
Also if your near Crawley/ Three Bridges you can be within walking distance of shops, pubs, etc etc.
Just advice but you will need a life outside of work, trust me!
Hope your saving you pennies by the way. Remember...First 2 months the wages will be rubbish! (Around £600 - £700)
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this sounds so dull that it's not true but me n my partner have been together for 5 years, i really am happy but because of a few things we are going to have to live at opposite ends of the country for a while and i am going to be supporting us both whilst my parents support me until about chrsitmas. i don't want a life, i don't want to be close to a pub (it will only worsen my alcohol habit!!!) and i don't really want to be sociable until i really have my life back on tracks. i want to get to work quickly and easily and go home to my ageing grandparents (and aging boyfriend!!) as often as possible. i want to make a few friends but only enough to keep me happy and nly to go out once in a while (god i feel old).
patheitic little anecdote over, i really, really want this and it doesn't really matter what people say, although the comments on here did make me see how unstable my postion at lhr temp would be. i weighed my descision carefully and have thought things through and i think if more people added i've heard or i believe to the beginning of their threads this would be far more stable. i would be interested if you would pm me with what you do know to enable me to continue my research etc into a postion i intend to keep for the rest of my working life. the best start to this the better, i cannot begin to describe how childish i am about MY JOB WITH B F**KING A!!!!!!
sorry.....
patheitic little anecdote over, i really, really want this and it doesn't really matter what people say, although the comments on here did make me see how unstable my postion at lhr temp would be. i weighed my descision carefully and have thought things through and i think if more people added i've heard or i believe to the beginning of their threads this would be far more stable. i would be interested if you would pm me with what you do know to enable me to continue my research etc into a postion i intend to keep for the rest of my working life. the best start to this the better, i cannot begin to describe how childish i am about MY JOB WITH B F**KING A!!!!!!
sorry.....
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Well as this information I posted came from the meeting today , its true and its happening ! As for new routes no new routes as yet but you never know!!
NSP will be happening as the unions in discussions with the finer details!!
If you want any more let me know!!!!!!!!!
NSP will be happening as the unions in discussions with the finer details!!
If you want any more let me know!!!!!!!!!
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I spoke to the DMS , and midfleet will not be joining the nsp i was told , once again ef lgw crew count for nothing.Its such a piss take , how the company can look you in the face and tell you this is beyond a joke,STRIKE!!!
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See what I mean....AGAIN!
Listening to rumours can ruin your day, or make it.
PIPS chill out. When this was all announced 2 years ago no one even thought that we'd be joining the NSP. Now it might seem that it's a possibility. Look at it as if we do.... it's a result. If we don't...then at least we'll be in the same position we are now AND flying longhaul.
8 years ago when I joined you only got the chance to go to SHLHR after 6-7 years at EFLGW (was EOG back then), and no chance of longhaul or NSP on the horizon. So things have only got better.
Don't let it ruin your day or your week, it's not worth it.
Listening to rumours can ruin your day, or make it.
PIPS chill out. When this was all announced 2 years ago no one even thought that we'd be joining the NSP. Now it might seem that it's a possibility. Look at it as if we do.... it's a result. If we don't...then at least we'll be in the same position we are now AND flying longhaul.
8 years ago when I joined you only got the chance to go to SHLHR after 6-7 years at EFLGW (was EOG back then), and no chance of longhaul or NSP on the horizon. So things have only got better.
Don't let it ruin your day or your week, it's not worth it.
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banewboi, all,
This is the way I read it, from when I was a union rep.
Advantages from joining the NSP.
1)Staff will be able to join the transfer lists to change fleet when they open.
2)Upon transfer you will keep your rank and seniority.
3)All union discussed issues will be for the whole cabin crew community. i.e. what LHR do we will do, EG300 etc.
Disadvantages from joining the NSP.
1)No guarantee we will not be put at the bottom of the seniorirty list.
2)Transfers will only be available in rank. Pursers will only be able to transfer if purser gaps exist on the fleet you want to transfer to.
3)All union discussed issues will be for the whole cabin crew community. i.e. what LHR do we will do, EG300 etc. We will loose our "local" ability to come to agreements with local management.
One thing that will definately not happen is EFLGW going onto EFLHR terms and conditions. It is not the golden elixir that everyone seems to think it is.(my own view)
I personally am neutral to EFLGW being in the NSP, however I am totally against us being put at the bottom of the seniority list.
Hope this answers your question. I am open to being corrected if the above is wrong
This is the way I read it, from when I was a union rep.
Advantages from joining the NSP.
1)Staff will be able to join the transfer lists to change fleet when they open.
2)Upon transfer you will keep your rank and seniority.
3)All union discussed issues will be for the whole cabin crew community. i.e. what LHR do we will do, EG300 etc.
Disadvantages from joining the NSP.
1)No guarantee we will not be put at the bottom of the seniorirty list.
2)Transfers will only be available in rank. Pursers will only be able to transfer if purser gaps exist on the fleet you want to transfer to.
3)All union discussed issues will be for the whole cabin crew community. i.e. what LHR do we will do, EG300 etc. We will loose our "local" ability to come to agreements with local management.
One thing that will definately not happen is EFLGW going onto EFLHR terms and conditions. It is not the golden elixir that everyone seems to think it is.(my own view)
I personally am neutral to EFLGW being in the NSP, however I am totally against us being put at the bottom of the seniority list.
Hope this answers your question. I am open to being corrected if the above is wrong
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Go on then Flyer55 give us some more
Have the talks started?
What are the plans?
How does it work when NSP crew at the moment want to transfer into midfleet LGW? Will they have to sign a different contract? What happens when we join LHR fleets, do we get a new contract?
Why would management spend loads on buying people out of their contracts when a year down the line we can transfer and get a LHR contract
All seems very tricky
Have the talks started?
What are the plans?
How does it work when NSP crew at the moment want to transfer into midfleet LGW? Will they have to sign a different contract? What happens when we join LHR fleets, do we get a new contract?
Why would management spend loads on buying people out of their contracts when a year down the line we can transfer and get a LHR contract
All seems very tricky
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Welieintheshadows, just to let you know not all crew want to do long haul,as well as myself there is quite a few of us who have been long haul crew.The thought of going to orlando again makes me feel sick, as well as some of the other long haul routes we do out of lgw.Butwe are part of BA and its time the company treated us as such instead of coming out with a load crap all the time. The NSP gives us security within the company and that is what we really need, dont get me wrong its lovley to see the crew all excited about doing long haul but there will be a catch somewhere down the line and if were not NSP theres nothing we could ever do about it, so as miserable as i sound,WHICH AM NOT I PROMISE, i just want everone to think about the situation they could be in two years down the line.xx
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HELP!
Hello there, can anyone out there offer me some advice?been offered 6mth contract from heathrow worldwide or perm contract on eurofleet from gatwick - can anyone give me a clue as to which one to go for?
thanks
thanks
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lozzi - read this whole thread if you haven't already my friend.
pips
I realise many crew are not interested in long haul (a fact many DO forget), and I'm sure there will be plenty of people to take the work of you.
You may have a better handle on this than I (I am no all seeing oracle by any means).
What sort of security will the NSP give us?
What sort of catch 2 years down the line do you envisage?
I'm genuinely interested, because if there is an angle I've not thought of I'm quite happy to hammer the reps along with you if the cause is just.
pips
I realise many crew are not interested in long haul (a fact many DO forget), and I'm sure there will be plenty of people to take the work of you.
You may have a better handle on this than I (I am no all seeing oracle by any means).
What sort of security will the NSP give us?
What sort of catch 2 years down the line do you envisage?
I'm genuinely interested, because if there is an angle I've not thought of I'm quite happy to hammer the reps along with you if the cause is just.
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Thanks welieintheshadows - only just worked out how to get back to pre threads (my computer literacy isnt what it should be)
decided to go with eurofleet and work my way up, should get start date through when iv spoke to recruitment, looking like june at min so il be on an economy drive from now!
looks like il be seeing some of you in gatwick in near future (fingers crossed)
thanks for the help everyone!
decided to go with eurofleet and work my way up, should get start date through when iv spoke to recruitment, looking like june at min so il be on an economy drive from now!
looks like il be seeing some of you in gatwick in near future (fingers crossed)
thanks for the help everyone!
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sorry don't know buddy. But ring recruitment at BA and I'm sure they'll help you out. P.M. one of the guys on here whoi've just got the job and I'm sure they have the appropriate number.
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Hi Doorisarmed,
Im a fellow paddy in BA. Im not sure what "intermediate Cert" is as I believe they have changed the whole exam thing in ireland since I left school in 99 but basically you need to have reached Leaving Cert level and passed at least Ordinary Maths and English!!! Hope that solves your query and good luck with your application!!!
P.S...Even if you have not reached that level still send off an application as a friend of mine failed maths in the LC and she was still accepted because of her wonderful personality...
!!! Anyways, you need only really worry about maths when it comes to counting that you have the correct number of meals onboard (amazing still how many people get that wrong, haha), as for duty frees, its all automatic and only CSD's really need to worry about calculating crew hours!
Im a fellow paddy in BA. Im not sure what "intermediate Cert" is as I believe they have changed the whole exam thing in ireland since I left school in 99 but basically you need to have reached Leaving Cert level and passed at least Ordinary Maths and English!!! Hope that solves your query and good luck with your application!!!
P.S...Even if you have not reached that level still send off an application as a friend of mine failed maths in the LC and she was still accepted because of her wonderful personality...
!!! Anyways, you need only really worry about maths when it comes to counting that you have the correct number of meals onboard (amazing still how many people get that wrong, haha), as for duty frees, its all automatic and only CSD's really need to worry about calculating crew hours!
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New Gatwick fleet Memorandum of Agreements arrived in the post today.
Nothing we weren't expecting.
You can prefference not to fly longhaul if you want.
Union and forums with management all at LGW tomorrow and friday.
More news to come I guess.
Nothing we weren't expecting.
You can prefference not to fly longhaul if you want.
Union and forums with management all at LGW tomorrow and friday.
More news to come I guess.
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New LGW fleet will be in the NSP. It also has seperate negotiating rights outside the main body (LHR, MAN, GLA).
Transfer agreement will be renegotiated at a later stage, however the general view from both sides is that a fairer more favourable transfer arrangment will be reached in the future for it's LGW crew involving moving fleets and keeping rank, seniority, pay.
However negotiations promise to be involved, emotive, and lengthy, so don't expect any resolution soon as they haven't even started. Negotiations are still being fianlised with the new LGW fleet and that has to be sorted first.
Being in the NSP is a BIG START and hopefully the shape of things to come - basically....LGW crew have a voice and it will be listened to, if people like it or not now.
New crew compliments 11 - 10 depending on A/C config will be trialled in first month.
CSD roll will be replaced by Cabin Manager who will now take an active role in the service, with less paperwork. The new role will be current EFLGW purser pay plus an additional non-pensionable basic salary increase.
No new routes planned.
Training will start in Aug in seniortiy order (however there may be reasons form time to time some crew may trained out of seniority order). However new entrants starting in AUG may end up being trained on 777 imeadiately.
New scheduling agreement is still very good compared to other UK LH carriers.
Union members will be balloted in coming weeks on should the new LGW fleet agreement should be accepted.
Hope that answers a few more questions.
Transfer agreement will be renegotiated at a later stage, however the general view from both sides is that a fairer more favourable transfer arrangment will be reached in the future for it's LGW crew involving moving fleets and keeping rank, seniority, pay.
However negotiations promise to be involved, emotive, and lengthy, so don't expect any resolution soon as they haven't even started. Negotiations are still being fianlised with the new LGW fleet and that has to be sorted first.
Being in the NSP is a BIG START and hopefully the shape of things to come - basically....LGW crew have a voice and it will be listened to, if people like it or not now.
New crew compliments 11 - 10 depending on A/C config will be trialled in first month.
CSD roll will be replaced by Cabin Manager who will now take an active role in the service, with less paperwork. The new role will be current EFLGW purser pay plus an additional non-pensionable basic salary increase.
No new routes planned.
Training will start in Aug in seniortiy order (however there may be reasons form time to time some crew may trained out of seniority order). However new entrants starting in AUG may end up being trained on 777 imeadiately.
New scheduling agreement is still very good compared to other UK LH carriers.
Union members will be balloted in coming weeks on should the new LGW fleet agreement should be accepted.
Hope that answers a few more questions.
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3 crew?
Just wondering if anyone knows if/when we are going 3 crew, just been doing my bidding and it seems like there are a lot of crews who are split up on trips, was wondering if thats cos there are only going to be 3 crew?
Anyone any ideas?
Anyone any ideas?