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An interviewee's day
I have an assessment day coming up and would be very interested if anyone recently so assessed would give us all a blow by blow account of your experience at Cranebank on the day. What did you get asked? What was the subject of your group task? Some real detail would help here if you felt able. Thanks and good luck!
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Originally Posted by alwayshandling
to the attention of those girls who are joining BA LGW EF:
PLEASE be fit!!!!!!!,young, energetic,intriguing,smart and lively!!!!!
thanks!
PLEASE be fit!!!!!!!,young, energetic,intriguing,smart and lively!!!!!
thanks!
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my friend went to the assessment day for BA LHR at cranebank this afternoon, april 8th, and she came out of it quite disillusioned by the view of ba she had. they apparantly were EXTREMELY srict about height, even though she was over the minimum requirements, they complained. all in all, however, she said everyone was REALLY nice and many of those applying were from different nationalities. also, the recruiters were, most of them, quite nice. now she just has to wait for a reply.....hopefully soon! but it is a very dfficult choice she has to make... moving to london on the basic salary ba pays while training which hardly is enough to pay the rent and eat?... looks like things arent that great anywhere around the world. but i think if that's what she really wants, then she should go for it! she's not got a very warm view of londoners in general though, most of them seemed quite cold actually. im not saying everybody's like that (i know that is NOT true because many of my friends are brits), but generally that's how most of them come across as. mayb this is all just because she was staying in one of those airport hotels and didnt get much chance to see the city really in such a short time.
well let's c how this goes! hopefully they'll make her an offer, but the prob is the even worst choice coming up: whether to accept it or not? what do you guys think? is it really worth it to go for BA??
oh btw, for those of you still unsure, althroughout the assessment they talked about LHR WW, so i guess applicants for LHR on the 6-month temp. contract are being put on WW.
anyway, see you soon, thanks for your help!!
well let's c how this goes! hopefully they'll make her an offer, but the prob is the even worst choice coming up: whether to accept it or not? what do you guys think? is it really worth it to go for BA??
oh btw, for those of you still unsure, althroughout the assessment they talked about LHR WW, so i guess applicants for LHR on the 6-month temp. contract are being put on WW.
anyway, see you soon, thanks for your help!!
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yes of course she is. there's nothing much better than ba as far as i know. and as i said, that was her first impression. no offense but that is as most brits come across as in a first encounter. but never mind impressions or perceptions, these change completely when you get to know the brits better.
what matters here is that she will enjoy the job, and i'm sure she'll end up enjoying the place in the people. place yourself in a different position: what if you came for an interview to portugal, were only here for 2 days and had no time to see anything, do you think you would rly have a good impression?
but never mind, what i was asking is if it really is worth going to ba, for the company it is, and to know other people's impression. see you soon!
what matters here is that she will enjoy the job, and i'm sure she'll end up enjoying the place in the people. place yourself in a different position: what if you came for an interview to portugal, were only here for 2 days and had no time to see anything, do you think you would rly have a good impression?
but never mind, what i was asking is if it really is worth going to ba, for the company it is, and to know other people's impression. see you soon!
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What?!
felipehm: "no offense but that is as most brits come across as in a first encounter." 
Plz, speak for yourself. I'm a Swede and I don't perceive the Brits as being "cold". Does that mean that I'm "cold" too...?
Tom
Plz, speak for yourself. I'm a Swede and I don't perceive the Brits as being "cold". Does that mean that I'm "cold" too...?
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Im must second Tom here....Im Irish and as anyone can tell you, we are anything but cold....But so are the Brits! They are a right laugh and have a great sense of humour unlike some other of our European neighbours!!!
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sorry sorry sorry! i really, honestly didn't mean to offend anyone at all
in fact, that is not my opinion, but many portuguese people i know have that impression of the brits. portuguese people can come across as the stereotype of old men drinking beer by the roadside or something, but then again, these are all stereotypes.
but yes, i agree with the both of you - that is in fact my view of the brits. but many of us portuguese don't think so, mostly because they don't understand the culture very much so simply opt to label others. it happens everywhere. but yes, i personally agree with both of you. hope that's settled
in fact, that is not my opinion, but many portuguese people i know have that impression of the brits. portuguese people can come across as the stereotype of old men drinking beer by the roadside or something, but then again, these are all stereotypes.
but yes, i agree with the both of you - that is in fact my view of the brits. but many of us portuguese don't think so, mostly because they don't understand the culture very much so simply opt to label others. it happens everywhere. but yes, i personally agree with both of you. hope that's settled
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Originally Posted by filipehm
but many of us portuguese don't think so, mostly because they don't understand the culture very much so simply opt to label others. it happens everywhere. but yes, i personally agree with both of you. hope that's settled
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clarification please!
ok here goes:
i get all this simple onefleet, singlefleet, insertnameherefleet stuff, i get that lhr ef, lhr ww and lgw ww are presently on different contracts to lgw ef. i get that if the agreement goes through lgw ww will be offered lhr ww and that it's highly likely that those operating lhr ww on temporary contracts will be offered lgw insertnameherefleet. this means that the totality of lgw and lhr are on different contracts. i don't think it's that confusing. ba are obviously turning lgw into it's none business (but high end) leisure travellers from lgw and everything else from lhr.
this makes good business sense to separate the type of traveller.
So: i have been offered lgw ef, which is likely to shortly become lgw insertnameherefleet, i already do a mixture for a charter company near to home, i want to move down to london work my cute little flight attendant bottom off on ef (lgw then with any luck lhr) and eventually (some time within the next decade) be migrated on to permanent ww so i can be at home with my mummy and daddy and 2 kitty wittys and my everso nice boyfriend. however what is becoming more apparent is that it takes time to get from lgw to lhr so what i really want is a definative answers:
if the changes happen how will this affect me moving from lgw to lhr? at present how long is it likely to take me to get from lgw to lhr? (i have been told everything from 2 years to 6 years) is it (on average) correct that when i get to lhr it takes approx 2 years to get onto ww fleet? when did the last transfer list last open? when will it next open? how long will it be before i could (or should) put my name on it after starting? ba at present have no domestic presence within travel distance between ema and middlesborough and nothing east of the penines what is the chance of them setting up london commute services with the rapidly growing dsa? if i get onto ww fleet what is the easiest way of commuting to lhr? ba connect? or car? what cn i expect to go home with (on average) at lgw? how good is the bidding system? will i be able to bid for as many nsa as possible? and finally what is the difference between the words affect and effect and when should they be used?
lots of questions but i need lots of answers as there seems to be so much contradiction on here, thanks guys!
i get all this simple onefleet, singlefleet, insertnameherefleet stuff, i get that lhr ef, lhr ww and lgw ww are presently on different contracts to lgw ef. i get that if the agreement goes through lgw ww will be offered lhr ww and that it's highly likely that those operating lhr ww on temporary contracts will be offered lgw insertnameherefleet. this means that the totality of lgw and lhr are on different contracts. i don't think it's that confusing. ba are obviously turning lgw into it's none business (but high end) leisure travellers from lgw and everything else from lhr.
this makes good business sense to separate the type of traveller.
So: i have been offered lgw ef, which is likely to shortly become lgw insertnameherefleet, i already do a mixture for a charter company near to home, i want to move down to london work my cute little flight attendant bottom off on ef (lgw then with any luck lhr) and eventually (some time within the next decade) be migrated on to permanent ww so i can be at home with my mummy and daddy and 2 kitty wittys and my everso nice boyfriend. however what is becoming more apparent is that it takes time to get from lgw to lhr so what i really want is a definative answers:
if the changes happen how will this affect me moving from lgw to lhr? at present how long is it likely to take me to get from lgw to lhr? (i have been told everything from 2 years to 6 years) is it (on average) correct that when i get to lhr it takes approx 2 years to get onto ww fleet? when did the last transfer list last open? when will it next open? how long will it be before i could (or should) put my name on it after starting? ba at present have no domestic presence within travel distance between ema and middlesborough and nothing east of the penines what is the chance of them setting up london commute services with the rapidly growing dsa? if i get onto ww fleet what is the easiest way of commuting to lhr? ba connect? or car? what cn i expect to go home with (on average) at lgw? how good is the bidding system? will i be able to bid for as many nsa as possible? and finally what is the difference between the words affect and effect and when should they be used?
lots of questions but i need lots of answers as there seems to be so much contradiction on here, thanks guys!
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interview 17th feb
oh n i had my interview with some lovely girls (and one lovely boy!!) on the 17th, it was really good, the atmosphere was everything i wanted ba to be and everything it should be, it was formal but relaxed, it was smart and organised, the roleplay and the presentation were informative, structured and executed perfectly, the interview i feel focused too much on my past experience and how i overcame but other than that they were perfect, ba are perfect, this offer is a dream come true! did anyone else get the job?
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banewboi.....there are no straight answers to any of your questions. Nobody knows how long it'd take to get to LHR after you start at EF LGW. There have been ppl who did it in just over 2 years, people who did it in 5-6 years, people who have just transferred after almost 8 years.
I always say, if what you want is WW LHR and you want it quick, avoid coming here, as there's nothing worse than coming to work being upset because so and so got the transfer last time and I didn't ,now it should be my turn but there's a new list and now I have another 30 ppl in front of me etc.
All of this has also been putting down people who couldn't care less about moving but get depressed at hearing colleagues moaning all the time!!! Thankfully it's only a minority, but when that happens my book suddenly appears and becomes my best friend during the trip.
Nobody knows anything about the changes at LGW. Before proper talks between company and unions had started there was lots of gossiping around. Now that things have become more certain, and definitely closer and more serious, we hear nothing. Whether it is a good sign or not, nobody can guess.
You can put your name down for transfer as soon as the new list opens. I think it will be Sep-Oct 2006 as the last one opened in september 2004.
You have to have 2 years at LGW before being considered for transfer anyway.
I know nothing about commuting to EMA but there're lots of ppl here at EF LGW who commute to spain, france and a couple of ppl even to canada, so I guess it won't be a problem for you.
Bidding? It's very effective if you "REALLY" know how to bid. The system takes into consideration a million and one things, when you think your satisfaction is zero for carmen it might be the opposite as the criteria used are many and vary a lot depending on lots of factors. It's quite complicated and even the trainers sometimes can't really give an answer to some of carmen's behaviours. I can only say that if you have a very good knowledge of the system you can get maximum satisfaction almost every month. It's normal to get one roster of crap in a 12 month period.
Our pilots use the same system and they have proper carmen guidelines (as opposed to cabin crew's "carmen for dummies" guide) which tells everything you want to know. So if you do well with computer technical terms (and maths) I would suggest you went to the fleet office and asked for the pilot's carmen guidebook. I did it and found out so many things that helped me bid more efficiently.
Average pay: starting basic is 9,700 p.a. like at lhr. Average allowances per month between £300 and £700 depending on the trips you do. Hourly allowances are totally tax free. Longer trips bring more money of course.
As for affect and effect I would suggest a good dictionary - prices from £14.99 in WHSmith in the North Terminal.
Hope I could clarify some of your doubts, but unfortunately nothing can predicted in BA, so all we can do is wait and see, and possibly take a few chances.
Enjoy your training and welcome to the fleet of the craziest crew in BA.....you'll work your socks off, but you'll have a ball.
Good luck
FBW
I always say, if what you want is WW LHR and you want it quick, avoid coming here, as there's nothing worse than coming to work being upset because so and so got the transfer last time and I didn't ,now it should be my turn but there's a new list and now I have another 30 ppl in front of me etc.
All of this has also been putting down people who couldn't care less about moving but get depressed at hearing colleagues moaning all the time!!! Thankfully it's only a minority, but when that happens my book suddenly appears and becomes my best friend during the trip.
Nobody knows anything about the changes at LGW. Before proper talks between company and unions had started there was lots of gossiping around. Now that things have become more certain, and definitely closer and more serious, we hear nothing. Whether it is a good sign or not, nobody can guess.
You can put your name down for transfer as soon as the new list opens. I think it will be Sep-Oct 2006 as the last one opened in september 2004.
You have to have 2 years at LGW before being considered for transfer anyway.
I know nothing about commuting to EMA but there're lots of ppl here at EF LGW who commute to spain, france and a couple of ppl even to canada, so I guess it won't be a problem for you.
Bidding? It's very effective if you "REALLY" know how to bid. The system takes into consideration a million and one things, when you think your satisfaction is zero for carmen it might be the opposite as the criteria used are many and vary a lot depending on lots of factors. It's quite complicated and even the trainers sometimes can't really give an answer to some of carmen's behaviours. I can only say that if you have a very good knowledge of the system you can get maximum satisfaction almost every month. It's normal to get one roster of crap in a 12 month period.
Our pilots use the same system and they have proper carmen guidelines (as opposed to cabin crew's "carmen for dummies" guide) which tells everything you want to know. So if you do well with computer technical terms (and maths) I would suggest you went to the fleet office and asked for the pilot's carmen guidebook. I did it and found out so many things that helped me bid more efficiently.
Average pay: starting basic is 9,700 p.a. like at lhr. Average allowances per month between £300 and £700 depending on the trips you do. Hourly allowances are totally tax free. Longer trips bring more money of course.
As for affect and effect I would suggest a good dictionary - prices from £14.99 in WHSmith in the North Terminal.
Hope I could clarify some of your doubts, but unfortunately nothing can predicted in BA, so all we can do is wait and see, and possibly take a few chances.
Enjoy your training and welcome to the fleet of the craziest crew in BA.....you'll work your socks off, but you'll have a ball.
Good luck
FBW
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I'd like it support everything FBW has said and maybe add a a couple of things.
Firstly I understand everyone's eagerness to get to WWLHR for one reason or another i.e. wanting to commute from one far away place or another, or you want to see the world, or you've heard the pay is better etc etc, I could go on....
The reality as FBW has stated is that the world and his wife want to be WWLHR and the list no matter where you start in BA is long, and as new joiners you will be at the bottom.
It is an uncertain time at LGW at the moment but I am in no doubt that it will be sorted one way or another and there will be some sort of arrangement to transfer to LHR.
But PLEASE.... LGW is a great place to work. Many of us have had the opportunity to transfer to LHR (all my training course are now WWLHR) but we have stayed beacause we enjoy the family atmosphere of a small base and the social side that results. Plus promotion is very swift at LGW, and promises to be even swifter with this midfleet proposal, so those with experience may find themselves in a very good postition.
Never forget that if you do get BA there are plenty that didn't, so be proud that you've got in no matter what base you get sent to. It's still the benchmark for crew T&C's in the UK.
Hope this clarifies some things for all our there. Hopefully see you soon! (I could be training you!)
Firstly I understand everyone's eagerness to get to WWLHR for one reason or another i.e. wanting to commute from one far away place or another, or you want to see the world, or you've heard the pay is better etc etc, I could go on....
The reality as FBW has stated is that the world and his wife want to be WWLHR and the list no matter where you start in BA is long, and as new joiners you will be at the bottom.
It is an uncertain time at LGW at the moment but I am in no doubt that it will be sorted one way or another and there will be some sort of arrangement to transfer to LHR.
But PLEASE.... LGW is a great place to work. Many of us have had the opportunity to transfer to LHR (all my training course are now WWLHR) but we have stayed beacause we enjoy the family atmosphere of a small base and the social side that results. Plus promotion is very swift at LGW, and promises to be even swifter with this midfleet proposal, so those with experience may find themselves in a very good postition.
Never forget that if you do get BA there are plenty that didn't, so be proud that you've got in no matter what base you get sent to. It's still the benchmark for crew T&C's in the UK.
Hope this clarifies some things for all our there. Hopefully see you soon! (I could be training you!)
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i have another question
i've just been informed that a ballot is going through at the moment and you've had info released to you recently regarding insertnameherefleet at lgw, anyone know what the new info is and how it's going to affect new starters? still xfer etc? anyone know of how to find good accom near lgw? and any tips o n reading up before i start??
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i've just been informed that a ballot is going through at the moment and you've had info released to you recently regarding insertnameherefleet at lgw, anyone know what the new info is and how it's going to affect new starters? still xfer etc? anyone know of how to find good accom near lgw? and any tips o n reading up before i start??
xx
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"But I would advise anyone who is thinking about BA to go for it, over Virgin but only apply to a Mainline base either Worldwide Gatwick, Eurofleet Heathrow, to transfer to Worldwide Heathrow because if you apply to Eurofleet Gatwick you are not on the same aggreement and will basically get stuck there with no chance of getting to Worldwide Heathrow as they have no transfer rights."
can we or can't we? looking forward to it either way, experience will be good but i do want to move to lhr for their nightstops then lhr ww for the trips and promotio and career path.
can we or can't we? looking forward to it either way, experience will be good but i do want to move to lhr for their nightstops then lhr ww for the trips and promotio and career path.
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WeLieIThe Shadows you say the world and his wife want LHR WW if thats the case why do 50% of SH crew turn down LH and the list to come to SH is 25% longer than the list to go to LH