Willie Walsh's CC plans
Junior trash
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 1,025
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Willie Walsh's CC plans
I would like to see short haul around in 10 years time if at all possible, and i really dont get the fixed link problem. Surely BA gain from increased productivity, you gain more time at home. The short turnround payment still exists so no loss of cash. The more BASSA fight these simple things the more everything else will come under the microscope.
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Staines
Age: 42
Posts: 136
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Willie Walsh's CC plans
The fixed link problem is simple, BA will have us operating all day (up to 4 sectors) without a break.
I don't care what the pilots do, or what any other airline does. It is not fair to get cabin crew working all day and not setting aside a single minute for them to rest and have a proper meal.
I don't care what the pilots do, or what any other airline does. It is not fair to get cabin crew working all day and not setting aside a single minute for them to rest and have a proper meal.
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Home
Posts: 101
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Willie Walsh's CC plans
There is absolutely NO REASON why crew shouldn't have a break whilst flying. So long as the Purser is a good time manager this shouldn't be a problem. It is important for crew to have a break and something to eat
during their working day, just as important as providing a service to a passenger.
during their working day, just as important as providing a service to a passenger.
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 1,608
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Willie Walsh's CC plans
I don't care what the pilots do, or what any other airline does. It is not fair to get cabin crew working all day and not setting aside a single minute for them to rest and have a proper meal.
Join Date: May 2004
Location: london
Posts: 179
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Willie Walsh's CC plans
Have You Heard This,
Regardless of the Purser it is difficult on Eurofleet to get a break on the flight,maybe on the Athens,Larnaca you can get a sit down in the galley.On short sectors you are there to serve the passengers and rarely have a spare minute.
I tell you this from my practical working experience as a CSD on both Eurofleet and now Worldwide.On Worldwide we have set breaks and ensure people eat before their break.Even on our long flights when you try and have your crew meal
, even with the curtains pulled passengers for some reason still want to have a peep!!,so you never actually get any privacy for your meal.At the same time we still realise we are there for the passengers and not the other way round!!.
I have to say the workload of my colleagues is high and they must be given their chance to eat on a turnround. We like everyone else are entitled to 20 minutes break per four hours worked.
Cabin crew is not like working on the ground.I have worked in loading,baggage and check-in all of which are tough jobs in their own ways.Cabin crew is different you work at altitude and the pressure of the cabin can be very tiring.Up and down,pressurising and depressurising your body four times a day is not at the best of times good for the health.This is why I believe Eurofleet require a proper sit down meal and a break.
These are just my thoughts from experience.
WTDWL.
Regardless of the Purser it is difficult on Eurofleet to get a break on the flight,maybe on the Athens,Larnaca you can get a sit down in the galley.On short sectors you are there to serve the passengers and rarely have a spare minute.
I tell you this from my practical working experience as a CSD on both Eurofleet and now Worldwide.On Worldwide we have set breaks and ensure people eat before their break.Even on our long flights when you try and have your crew meal
, even with the curtains pulled passengers for some reason still want to have a peep!!,so you never actually get any privacy for your meal.At the same time we still realise we are there for the passengers and not the other way round!!.I have to say the workload of my colleagues is high and they must be given their chance to eat on a turnround. We like everyone else are entitled to 20 minutes break per four hours worked.
Cabin crew is not like working on the ground.I have worked in loading,baggage and check-in all of which are tough jobs in their own ways.Cabin crew is different you work at altitude and the pressure of the cabin can be very tiring.Up and down,pressurising and depressurising your body four times a day is not at the best of times good for the health.This is why I believe Eurofleet require a proper sit down meal and a break.
These are just my thoughts from experience.
WTDWL.
Moderator
Join Date: Feb 1998
Location: Europe
Posts: 3,051
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Willie Walsh's CC plans
We like everyone else are entitled to 20 minutes break per four hours worked.
As a result, on short hual it is up to the Purser to fight ground staff and resist gentle pressure from the pilots to assure that once a day, the FAs get a chance to sit down for 10 mins and wolf down a hot meal. Of course with hoovers buzzing everywhere, cleaners running around and a nice freezing draft reviving you because both the back and the front door are open.
To manage this for your crew, you have to be both diplomatic and not easily intimidated.
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Europe
Posts: 3,261
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Willie Walsh's CC plans
hoovers buzzing everywhere, cleaners running around and a nice freezing draft reviving you because both the back and the front door are open
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: on the edge
Posts: 186
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Willie Walsh's CC plans
Better get used to the sound of the hoover. I understand that CC will be directed to clean the cabin during short turnrounds. No matter how you swing you handbag's its going to happen sooner than you think. Its called competition!
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Home
Posts: 101
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Willie Walsh's CC plans
There is NO EXCUSE for not having time for something to eat whether on the ground or in the air. Even on short sectors there is the opportunity on turnaround.
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Europe
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Willie Walsh's CC plans
I've been reading all these comments on how well above standards BA crews are treated, and I must say that:
-we have agreements that are quite similar to most major airlines(AF,UAL LH)
-we tend to have better work conditions that UK low cost carriers but the money we take home isn't much higher.
-I flew seasonally for AF and had about 18 days off a month, flew 9 yrs for UAL and averaged 16 days off a month, now fly for BA and have 10 days off a
month (for about the same take home money)
Conclusion:BA CC don't have it sooo nice and easy as some pilots like to think.
Also why does it bother you so much what sort of agreement we have or not have?At the end of the day I clear about 1700£/month and have 2 more days off than an office worker.I really don't see what it is that's so shocking about that .Maybe you should think outside the box ,and admit that, on the job market, a bilingual college graduate could end up with a much higher salary.
-we have agreements that are quite similar to most major airlines(AF,UAL LH)
-we tend to have better work conditions that UK low cost carriers but the money we take home isn't much higher.
-I flew seasonally for AF and had about 18 days off a month, flew 9 yrs for UAL and averaged 16 days off a month, now fly for BA and have 10 days off a
month (for about the same take home money)
Conclusion:BA CC don't have it sooo nice and easy as some pilots like to think.
Also why does it bother you so much what sort of agreement we have or not have?At the end of the day I clear about 1700£/month and have 2 more days off than an office worker.I really don't see what it is that's so shocking about that .Maybe you should think outside the box ,and admit that, on the job market, a bilingual college graduate could end up with a much higher salary.
Last edited by crew74; 12th Jan 2006 at 11:37.
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Cairo
Posts: 74
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Willie Walsh's CC plans
Hmm well clearing £1700 isn't bad at all. I work at a university, I have a PhD and clear an overwhelming £1200 a month, which for London let's face it isn't much. I think PSCOs for the Met Police earn more than me. But then this just is a reflection of how highly the British regard their education system I guess.... as a result I'm waiting for my training date to be cabin crew as I probably will earn more and it will make a nice change
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: UK / UAE
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by ChewyTheWookie
We got back to Compass 10+ hours after we left and didn't get a proper "break" at all. If we were in the offices we'd have probably spent the best part of 2 hours having lunch and tea breaks during the day and we wouldn't have been rushing about at high altitude.
