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Hey all, just wanted to say how sorry I am to hear the Perth base is closing. By all accounts things were going well and people very happy there.
All the crew I have seen coming and going from the office/base there smiling and friendly, actually looked like they enjoyed their jobs...
Chin up guys n girls I hope things get better... and if you really want to stay in Perth I hear NJS are still looking (yeah not as glam but hey if it means keeping the fab Perth lifestyle....
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All the best, Qantas really stuffed this one......!
All the crew I have seen coming and going from the office/base there smiling and friendly, actually looked like they enjoyed their jobs...
Chin up guys n girls I hope things get better... and if you really want to stay in Perth I hear NJS are still looking (yeah not as glam but hey if it means keeping the fab Perth lifestyle....
)All the best, Qantas really stuffed this one......!
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"Actually asked the question to 'Let Me Show You My Camel-Toe' pretend Base Manager--->!could she wear her pants any tighter????? "
That made me laugh. If she needs a job, DJ Base Managers (or whatever they are called these days) like to wear inappropriate clothing as well, however tell her its BYO Boob tube.
That made me laugh. If she needs a job, DJ Base Managers (or whatever they are called these days) like to wear inappropriate clothing as well, however tell her its BYO Boob tube.
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Goodbye to all my friends at Perth longhaul.
Found this link http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,16988050-2,00.html
on the D&G forum.
Pleased to see our executives aren't letting the staff cuts get in their way!!!
Found this link http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,16988050-2,00.html
on the D&G forum.
Pleased to see our executives aren't letting the staff cuts get in their way!!!
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A friend of mine( Perth based) called me today to give me an insight into the latest on the Base.
What a total debacle!!!!
The supposedly Base Manager is on Holidays in UK-doh!!! ( On no big deal 100 loyal Qantas staff - every man/woman for themselves)
Only 1 person -ONE from Qantas to manage the whole thing. What an absolute disgrace. How the hell are people suppose to sort all of this mess out -on their own.
Shame on you Kylie. This would have to go down as low as you hiring those strike breakers last year-you clown.
THESE ARE HUMAN BEINGS YOU ARE DEALING WITH -NOT INANIMATE PIECES OF CRAP YOU STEP OVER IN DOWN TOWN OXFORD STREET EVERY EVENING!!!!
How much $$$$$ is Qantas spending on the Bonaventure court case?.....................for what.
Its time you had a good hard look in the mirror and start treating your people with some dignity and respect-then maybe just maybe you may even get some engagement(sic)
What a total debacle!!!!
The supposedly Base Manager is on Holidays in UK-doh!!! ( On no big deal 100 loyal Qantas staff - every man/woman for themselves)
Only 1 person -ONE from Qantas to manage the whole thing. What an absolute disgrace. How the hell are people suppose to sort all of this mess out -on their own.
Shame on you Kylie. This would have to go down as low as you hiring those strike breakers last year-you clown.
THESE ARE HUMAN BEINGS YOU ARE DEALING WITH -NOT INANIMATE PIECES OF CRAP YOU STEP OVER IN DOWN TOWN OXFORD STREET EVERY EVENING!!!!
How much $$$$$ is Qantas spending on the Bonaventure court case?.....................for what.
Its time you had a good hard look in the mirror and start treating your people with some dignity and respect-then maybe just maybe you may even get some engagement(sic)
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I reckon the Per L/H base is/was the best on the network. The CC were always the friendliest...and hadnt been corrupted by the long term Sydney attitudes.
What I think wouldnt have helped the cause was the PER sick leave. People just went sick when they couldnt be bothered working. This was unfortunately wide spread. The most notably was one CC, who continually turns up for work, decides she cant be bothered working when she gets there and goes home. Causing some poor person on STBY to get called out.
Whilst not only screwing your own career prospects you screw your work mates too. Not good.
Having said that it will be sad to see the base go. It was a big assest for QF.
What I think wouldnt have helped the cause was the PER sick leave. People just went sick when they couldnt be bothered working. This was unfortunately wide spread. The most notably was one CC, who continually turns up for work, decides she cant be bothered working when she gets there and goes home. Causing some poor person on STBY to get called out.
Whilst not only screwing your own career prospects you screw your work mates too. Not good.
Having said that it will be sad to see the base go. It was a big assest for QF.
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bluee looooooooo///
you dont make sense, you state it was the friendliest and the best on the network, yet sick leave was rampant!
How can that be a good base.
Then you make statements against SYD based crew!
I think its about time you flush yourself.
HAving said that yes its sad about PER, it just goes to show, no matter what you do, its the bottom dollar that counts.
The people factor simply doesnt matter.
MAybe they will reopen it with MIdnight 63 and her strike breaking friends, after all they are willing to do anything to undermine our conditions! (no morals with that one)
you dont make sense, you state it was the friendliest and the best on the network, yet sick leave was rampant!
How can that be a good base.
Then you make statements against SYD based crew!
I think its about time you flush yourself.
HAving said that yes its sad about PER, it just goes to show, no matter what you do, its the bottom dollar that counts.
The people factor simply doesnt matter.
MAybe they will reopen it with MIdnight 63 and her strike breaking friends, after all they are willing to do anything to undermine our conditions! (no morals with that one)
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I'm not cabin crew but can tell you with certainty that 240hr rosters at the AKL base are just not happening any more. BP241 has seemingly most rosters projected at around 180-185hrs - including 120hr slips in HNL, plenty of AKL-LAX's as usual, plus JNB, PVG and BOM as well as some unusual stuff like pax to PER and daytrips to SYD/MEL/BNE.
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Oh, you know Sydney attitudes.....where the cabin crew take the tech crew to the destination, where they openly state they should be paid more than the captain etc etc.. where you go for 3 hours without anyone seeing if your alive etc etc.
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but we do take you there blueloo,
Have you just realised this!
Good luck in your EBA! heh heh heh
PS , Im glad you agree we should be paid more, finally someone has seen the light!
Have you just realised this!
Good luck in your EBA! heh heh heh
PS , Im glad you agree we should be paid more, finally someone has seen the light!
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I am not Qantas Cabin Crew, however a very good friend of mine is a Sydney based long haul flight attendant. Last financial year he earned more than $70,000. He has no degree infact he didnt even finish high school.
Not bad for someone with no qualifications.
I do have a degree, dont travel the world, work alot more than 190 per 2mths and earn much less.
Although there appears to be a lot of change and it may be getting a bit tougher for long haul crew, at the end of the day, and I admitt from an outsiders point of view things arent too bad.
Not bad for someone with no qualifications.
I do have a degree, dont travel the world, work alot more than 190 per 2mths and earn much less.
Although there appears to be a lot of change and it may be getting a bit tougher for long haul crew, at the end of the day, and I admitt from an outsiders point of view things arent too bad.
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Not Bad..
The salary you quote is with enormous amounts of overtime and long range allowances.
Not Bad......
1.a reduction in longevity
2.chromosomal damage
3.higher than average occurrence of certain forms of cancer
4.Away for wedding anniversaries,christmas,births and birthdays easter etc.
5.no public holidays
6.terrorism threats
7.chronic fatigue
8.an employer that belittles you at every opportunity.
9.work while everyone else is in bed
Yeah, Not bad really........
Me...flying 22 years,have a B.Comm.LLB and my gross this year was $48,530 with a wife three kids and a Heinz variety dog.
Hardly an extravagant lifestyle.
Oh,and just for the record.
Dixon has no degree,travels overseas,earns $6mil/pa and enjoys every perk and lurk imaginable.
$100,000/week is obscene for someone who has no particular talent except for a few political mates who got him where he is.
I believe he even gets his viagra for free.
A clearer perspective I think.
NB.Minimum educational standard for a flight attendant position is HSC or equivalent
Not Bad......
1.a reduction in longevity
2.chromosomal damage
3.higher than average occurrence of certain forms of cancer
4.Away for wedding anniversaries,christmas,births and birthdays easter etc.
5.no public holidays
6.terrorism threats
7.chronic fatigue
8.an employer that belittles you at every opportunity.
9.work while everyone else is in bed
Yeah, Not bad really........
Me...flying 22 years,have a B.Comm.LLB and my gross this year was $48,530 with a wife three kids and a Heinz variety dog.
Hardly an extravagant lifestyle.
Oh,and just for the record.
Dixon has no degree,travels overseas,earns $6mil/pa and enjoys every perk and lurk imaginable.
$100,000/week is obscene for someone who has no particular talent except for a few political mates who got him where he is.
I believe he even gets his viagra for free.
A clearer perspective I think.
NB.Minimum educational standard for a flight attendant position is HSC or equivalent
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My buddies salary does include cash in hand meal money... Which I would imagine yours didnt.
Other points why I consider you job ' not so bad'
1. 6 weeks annual leave
2. Staff travel entitlements..Buisness class of course
3. Provided uniform..Dry cleaning paid for by the company
4.A bid system where I would have thought with 22yrs
experience you would be able to organise being home for special occasions
5.Taxi,s provided to and from work at certain times.
6.Profit share, my buddies just sold $7,000 worth of shares.
7.He also recieved recently a $1500 bonus.
8.Generous sick leave entitlements.
9.An enormous hourly rate while on overtime.
All in all I must say again not such a bad job.
Also he didnt finish high school as we both attended the same one. Good luck to him I say!! I certainly wish I worked under such bad conditions..
Other points why I consider you job ' not so bad'
1. 6 weeks annual leave
2. Staff travel entitlements..Buisness class of course
3. Provided uniform..Dry cleaning paid for by the company
4.A bid system where I would have thought with 22yrs
experience you would be able to organise being home for special occasions
5.Taxi,s provided to and from work at certain times.
6.Profit share, my buddies just sold $7,000 worth of shares.
7.He also recieved recently a $1500 bonus.
8.Generous sick leave entitlements.
9.An enormous hourly rate while on overtime.
All in all I must say again not such a bad job.
Also he didnt finish high school as we both attended the same one. Good luck to him I say!! I certainly wish I worked under such bad conditions..
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No one in QF, other than the pigs in the trough at the top got more than a $1000 bonus. That includes all tech crew, cabin crew, cleaners, etc.
THe staff travel entitlement, is for space available travel. It is not confirmed. It is part of the conditions of employment. Sometimes it is more hassel than its worth, but it can be a good perk. Cabin crew do not get business class until 7 years service or unless CSM. It too, is space available.
Grove 6 weeks annual leave is pretty minor when you spend half your life away from home.
The company dry cleans the uniforms, because it is a service orientated industry and the uniforms have to look good. If it were left up to the crew themselves, they wouldnt spend the money on it, and their uniforms would look pretty crappy fairly quickly.
Generous sick leave entitlements are there, because flying can make you sick fairly regularly. Your body clock can be out of wack, your not breathing sea level air, your in a tube full of hundrerds of people in close proximity, your bound to get sick.
Taxis whilst an entitlement for certain trips, are part of the companies duty of care (well should be at least). If you have been at work for 18 hours duty through the middle of the night, across however many timezones, breathing non sea level air, you feel phucked. Try driving a car safely.
Fantastic, 22 years service and you might get what you bid for. What about the first 15 years where your away for every one your kids birthdays, footy matches, christmas etc.
Sometimes people look at the glossy side of the job only. Try having a look at the other stuff.
THe staff travel entitlement, is for space available travel. It is not confirmed. It is part of the conditions of employment. Sometimes it is more hassel than its worth, but it can be a good perk. Cabin crew do not get business class until 7 years service or unless CSM. It too, is space available.
Grove 6 weeks annual leave is pretty minor when you spend half your life away from home.
The company dry cleans the uniforms, because it is a service orientated industry and the uniforms have to look good. If it were left up to the crew themselves, they wouldnt spend the money on it, and their uniforms would look pretty crappy fairly quickly.
Generous sick leave entitlements are there, because flying can make you sick fairly regularly. Your body clock can be out of wack, your not breathing sea level air, your in a tube full of hundrerds of people in close proximity, your bound to get sick.
Taxis whilst an entitlement for certain trips, are part of the companies duty of care (well should be at least). If you have been at work for 18 hours duty through the middle of the night, across however many timezones, breathing non sea level air, you feel phucked. Try driving a car safely.
Fantastic, 22 years service and you might get what you bid for. What about the first 15 years where your away for every one your kids birthdays, footy matches, christmas etc.
Sometimes people look at the glossy side of the job only. Try having a look at the other stuff.
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Grove et al
I left l/h qf after many years and entered the 'real world' oh my god what a shock! as they say "you don't know what you've got until it's gone"
It really distresses me to read the trivial crap on this forum, poor little us, lousy hotels, long hours, mngmt are out to get us!..... Often I want to put my fist through the moniter!!!!
There are times I yearn to be back in the cocoon.
I left l/h qf after many years and entered the 'real world' oh my god what a shock! as they say "you don't know what you've got until it's gone"
It really distresses me to read the trivial crap on this forum, poor little us, lousy hotels, long hours, mngmt are out to get us!..... Often I want to put my fist through the moniter!!!!
There are times I yearn to be back in the cocoon.
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IR boss to check out LA hotel
From The Australian
October 21, 2005
IT is a Los Angeles landmark and features in many Hollywood hits, but Qantas cabin crew say they have been exposed to drug deals, threats of violence, noise and lack of privacy since the airline started putting them up at the Westin Bonaventure hotel.
And to verify if the flight attendants have a legitimate complaint, Australian Industrial Relations Commission member Frank Raffaelli will fly business class to LA to check in as a guest at the 35-storey hostelry.
Mr Raffaelli, a former trade unionist appointed to the commission in 1996, will be accompanied on his fact-finding trip by representatives of Qantas and the Flight Attendants Association of Australia.
Mr Raffaelli is well qualified to judge the merits of the case as a former assistant national secretary of the Liquor Hospitality and Miscellaneous Workers Union, where he was an official for more than 20 years.
The Bonaventure has served as the location for films including True Lies, Rain Man, and most famously In The Line Of Fire, where would-be presidential assassin John Malkovich battled with security man Clint Eastwood in the glass elevator that rides up the hotel's mirrored towers.
The elevator, into which California Governor Arnold Schwarnegger rode a horse in True Lies, poses privacy concerns for flight attendants, who complain that guests can see straight into their rooms from the lift.
Mr Raffaelli told The Australian the trip was justified because 270 Qantas employees stayed at the hotel each night, 365 days a year, at a cost of millions of dollars a year. "It's what we call a large worksite, and we would have no hesitation in doing a site inspection," he said.
Mr Raffaelli said the four-day trip would involve two days' flying and a 1 1/2-day visit.
FAAA international division secretary Michael Mijatov said that despite the Bonaventure's location in LA's downtown financial district, the area was virtually deserted at night when airline crews finished their shifts.
Incidents in which crew safety had been compromised included female crew being propositioned in hotel corridors, drug deals in the streets around the hotel and threats of physical violence.
The $US200 ($266)-a-night rooms in the hotel, which has just undergone a $US35 million upgrade, are not all they are cracked up to be, say the Qantas long-haul flight attendants.
The union says the previous staff hotel in Pasadena was more central and less isolated after hours, when cabin crew arrived for rest breaks.
The FAAA has also raised concerns about accommodation for cabin crew at New York's Lexington Hotel.
Qantas head of customer service Lesley Grant said the Bonaventure had been "thoroughly reviewed" and met all criteria, including safety, before pilots and crew were moved there in March.
"From time to time, we change hotels for various reasons, for example contract renegotiations or operational reasons such as accommodating all crew together at the one hotel," she said.
Mr Raffaelli adjourned the case yesterday after three days of hearing in Sydney.
From The Australian
October 21, 2005
IT is a Los Angeles landmark and features in many Hollywood hits, but Qantas cabin crew say they have been exposed to drug deals, threats of violence, noise and lack of privacy since the airline started putting them up at the Westin Bonaventure hotel.
And to verify if the flight attendants have a legitimate complaint, Australian Industrial Relations Commission member Frank Raffaelli will fly business class to LA to check in as a guest at the 35-storey hostelry.
Mr Raffaelli, a former trade unionist appointed to the commission in 1996, will be accompanied on his fact-finding trip by representatives of Qantas and the Flight Attendants Association of Australia.
Mr Raffaelli is well qualified to judge the merits of the case as a former assistant national secretary of the Liquor Hospitality and Miscellaneous Workers Union, where he was an official for more than 20 years.
The Bonaventure has served as the location for films including True Lies, Rain Man, and most famously In The Line Of Fire, where would-be presidential assassin John Malkovich battled with security man Clint Eastwood in the glass elevator that rides up the hotel's mirrored towers.
The elevator, into which California Governor Arnold Schwarnegger rode a horse in True Lies, poses privacy concerns for flight attendants, who complain that guests can see straight into their rooms from the lift.
Mr Raffaelli told The Australian the trip was justified because 270 Qantas employees stayed at the hotel each night, 365 days a year, at a cost of millions of dollars a year. "It's what we call a large worksite, and we would have no hesitation in doing a site inspection," he said.
Mr Raffaelli said the four-day trip would involve two days' flying and a 1 1/2-day visit.
FAAA international division secretary Michael Mijatov said that despite the Bonaventure's location in LA's downtown financial district, the area was virtually deserted at night when airline crews finished their shifts.
Incidents in which crew safety had been compromised included female crew being propositioned in hotel corridors, drug deals in the streets around the hotel and threats of physical violence.
The $US200 ($266)-a-night rooms in the hotel, which has just undergone a $US35 million upgrade, are not all they are cracked up to be, say the Qantas long-haul flight attendants.
The union says the previous staff hotel in Pasadena was more central and less isolated after hours, when cabin crew arrived for rest breaks.
The FAAA has also raised concerns about accommodation for cabin crew at New York's Lexington Hotel.
Qantas head of customer service Lesley Grant said the Bonaventure had been "thoroughly reviewed" and met all criteria, including safety, before pilots and crew were moved there in March.
"From time to time, we change hotels for various reasons, for example contract renegotiations or operational reasons such as accommodating all crew together at the one hotel," she said.
Mr Raffaelli adjourned the case yesterday after three days of hearing in Sydney.