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I think you were a little harsh on easternboy. Being ex regional I know where he is coming from. Regional crew are the greatest bunch of people that wish no harm to anyone they just want to get out of regional. They are not hell bent on doing this at the expense of other Qantas employees thats for sure though.
In this instance Perth is being offered to them and they have every right to celebrate. If regional crew werent going over it would have been someone else so just this once let them enjoy one of the few times a year they have something to celecrate.
They didnt make the decision to close the long haul base so its unfair to have a go at him.
Good on all the regionals that are progressing.
In this instance Perth is being offered to them and they have every right to celebrate. If regional crew werent going over it would have been someone else so just this once let them enjoy one of the few times a year they have something to celecrate.
They didnt make the decision to close the long haul base so its unfair to have a go at him.
Good on all the regionals that are progressing.
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hi folks,
please look at the qfuk website, salary.
they try to equate a c.s.m. syd salary $82,000 with a c.s.m uk salary of ukl 32,900 approx.they use an exchange rate of 39 pence although the rate is now 42 pence.
what about 'cost of living' and 'standard of living' comparisions.
http://www.homefair.com/homefair/ser...=44&toCity=657
if you go to this site you will find that that $82,00 equates to ukl 44,000 plus.ukl 12,000 more needed to have the same standard of living.
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so qf uk are either niave or stupid or lying
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please look at the qfuk website, salary.
they try to equate a c.s.m. syd salary $82,000 with a c.s.m uk salary of ukl 32,900 approx.they use an exchange rate of 39 pence although the rate is now 42 pence.
what about 'cost of living' and 'standard of living' comparisions.
http://www.homefair.com/homefair/ser...=44&toCity=657
if you go to this site you will find that that $82,00 equates to ukl 44,000 plus.ukl 12,000 more needed to have the same standard of living.
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so qf uk are either niave or stupid or lying
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word is that LG has put the SIN cabin crew base back on the agenda - this is to co -incide with the opening of the techy S/O base - thay will all do the FRA patterns .should the faaa start to put the wagons in a circular formation around SYD yet?
another issue - just ran into a crew of PER L/H crew in Sin.
never have I met a more disengaged lot .From the service sublime to the apathetic ridiculous!
while they are rightly blaming manangement for the lies and spin - they are also extremely angry at the SYD based faaa who many feel left them to hang out to dry. About 100 are heading east but don't expect them to be queuing up outside the faaa new offices to renew their memberships - now lets see.......
thats 100 x $600 union fees lost (plus the 200 f/as that were shafted by the union in LHR....thats 200 x $600...)
equals the loss of $18,000 in union fees in under a year.
not a bad effort boys.
the only meaningful memo we will be getting from the union exec in the near future is ANOTHER increase in our fees.
(that and the sock survey "Should Morrissey be providing a new sock colour to match the supervisors shiny new ties?")
another issue - just ran into a crew of PER L/H crew in Sin.
never have I met a more disengaged lot .From the service sublime to the apathetic ridiculous!
while they are rightly blaming manangement for the lies and spin - they are also extremely angry at the SYD based faaa who many feel left them to hang out to dry. About 100 are heading east but don't expect them to be queuing up outside the faaa new offices to renew their memberships - now lets see.......
thats 100 x $600 union fees lost (plus the 200 f/as that were shafted by the union in LHR....thats 200 x $600...)
equals the loss of $18,000 in union fees in under a year.
not a bad effort boys.
the only meaningful memo we will be getting from the union exec in the near future is ANOTHER increase in our fees.
(that and the sock survey "Should Morrissey be providing a new sock colour to match the supervisors shiny new ties?")
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Just because I and others might be senior it does not mean we are selfish, I know many more junior crews that have only themselves on their mind.
The faaa does not represent me and is not looking after my interests and although I support them in trying to move out of the Misadventure it has nothing to do with it’s proximity to a Costco store in fact I cannot remember the last time I was in a Costco store.
The march of indignation was a great if flawed concept. It made the headlines and that is about it, by next week everyone will have forgotten about it.
It is now the 19th Nov and the patterns for BP 242 are out and the faaa still has not made any effort to send out voting forms for the JFK dispensation. They stated that it would be in place and the result acted on by the end of BP 240.Whether you are going to vote Yes or No we are being deceived by the faaa, the dispensation either temporary or otherwise requires a vote by the members to alter the EBA and the faaa is not carrying out their responsibility by acting on this.
There are 2 issues
1: Howard’s IR reforms
2: the Company’s continual effort to erode the conditions of its employees
As I have mentioned before why do we not talk to the ACTU and include ourselves in media campaign with say a TV ad and one of the Bill Boards out side the jet base that everyone going to the international terminal will see. The ACTU campaigns have been very effective, forcing the Government to spend a huge amount of money to try and counter. Obviously the ACTU and the Government believe that ads work but apparently the faaa does not. Maybe we could have an ad where we say QF has a new them song for QF employees…………………………………..
It is called “I don’t call Australia Home”
I have also said that if the AKL crew are cheaper, which they are, why are QF not using them on the JFK trips, well they are now…
Le 3rd Homme
Don’t completely blame the libs for the mess after the election ,if the opposition had put in place a decent leader instead of the highly unstable ML then maybe more people would have not voted for the Libs and even if they had still won the election they might not have had complete control of the senate. As far as your understanding of economics is concerned I’m afraid it is a little thin .It is the Government that sets policy and runs the economy, this (inflation rates ...etc...) directly effects the decision of the RBA on whether to raise interest rates or not. You might remember a government led by a Mr. GW and the effect his handling of the economy had on interest rates (17% plus). So although not directly linked to the RBA, the gov does have a lot to do with interest rates.
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Guardian1
Warp57
Pegasus747
And all other faaa officials reading this because I know you do. Where is the vote on the JFK issue?????????????
Because if you don't you will have a lot more people leaving the union
Just because I and others might be senior it does not mean we are selfish, I know many more junior crews that have only themselves on their mind.
The faaa does not represent me and is not looking after my interests and although I support them in trying to move out of the Misadventure it has nothing to do with it’s proximity to a Costco store in fact I cannot remember the last time I was in a Costco store.
The march of indignation was a great if flawed concept. It made the headlines and that is about it, by next week everyone will have forgotten about it.
It is now the 19th Nov and the patterns for BP 242 are out and the faaa still has not made any effort to send out voting forms for the JFK dispensation. They stated that it would be in place and the result acted on by the end of BP 240.Whether you are going to vote Yes or No we are being deceived by the faaa, the dispensation either temporary or otherwise requires a vote by the members to alter the EBA and the faaa is not carrying out their responsibility by acting on this.
There are 2 issues
1: Howard’s IR reforms
2: the Company’s continual effort to erode the conditions of its employees
As I have mentioned before why do we not talk to the ACTU and include ourselves in media campaign with say a TV ad and one of the Bill Boards out side the jet base that everyone going to the international terminal will see. The ACTU campaigns have been very effective, forcing the Government to spend a huge amount of money to try and counter. Obviously the ACTU and the Government believe that ads work but apparently the faaa does not. Maybe we could have an ad where we say QF has a new them song for QF employees…………………………………..
It is called “I don’t call Australia Home”
I have also said that if the AKL crew are cheaper, which they are, why are QF not using them on the JFK trips, well they are now…
Le 3rd Homme
Don’t completely blame the libs for the mess after the election ,if the opposition had put in place a decent leader instead of the highly unstable ML then maybe more people would have not voted for the Libs and even if they had still won the election they might not have had complete control of the senate. As far as your understanding of economics is concerned I’m afraid it is a little thin .It is the Government that sets policy and runs the economy, this (inflation rates ...etc...) directly effects the decision of the RBA on whether to raise interest rates or not. You might remember a government led by a Mr. GW and the effect his handling of the economy had on interest rates (17% plus). So although not directly linked to the RBA, the gov does have a lot to do with interest rates.
Attention…
Guardian1
Warp57
Pegasus747
And all other faaa officials reading this because I know you do. Where is the vote on the JFK issue?????????????
Because if you don't you will have a lot more people leaving the union
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as i said before
qf and faaalh supported the idea of per lh csm's trnasfer as csm to per sh. this was knocked back by the faaa sh. per based csm's have a great opportunity to start legal procedings against the sh faaa union. in the past the agrement was put down to domestic and international job differences. this no longer applies. the discrimination board and any court will agree with that. this is why even qf (and faaa lh) supports that move. dont be shy. a pity i dont fly out of per.
any perth guys can shed some light on this. i hope someone puts the boot into DW and sorts
qf and faaalh supported the idea of per lh csm's trnasfer as csm to per sh. this was knocked back by the faaa sh. per based csm's have a great opportunity to start legal procedings against the sh faaa union. in the past the agrement was put down to domestic and international job differences. this no longer applies. the discrimination board and any court will agree with that. this is why even qf (and faaa lh) supports that move. dont be shy. a pity i dont fly out of per.
any perth guys can shed some light on this. i hope someone puts the boot into DW and sorts
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Not liking the tone of the QF forum I have opened a new topic. Being one of those "cannibles" (read experienced full time Flight Attendants from EAA who have patiently waited for around five years to be offered a position, - are we ok with casuals and strike breakers? Would this be your preference?) who have been offered a Perth base I would like to know a little about the type of roster I can expect - average income, number of overnights per month and destinations etc. I would also appreciate some imput from those Flight Attendants who commute back east.
I'm sorry belinda, but we're trying to keep all the QF comments together in one thread on this forum, so I have moved your comments in here.
I'm aware that historically there has been a degree of bullying of anybody who takes a different view to the more militant members of QF Longhaul. You have as much a right to express an opinion, and ask a question as anybody else, and I'm sure that others will respect this.
Won't they...
I'm sorry belinda, but we're trying to keep all the QF comments together in one thread on this forum, so I have moved your comments in here.
I'm aware that historically there has been a degree of bullying of anybody who takes a different view to the more militant members of QF Longhaul. You have as much a right to express an opinion, and ask a question as anybody else, and I'm sure that others will respect this.
Won't they...
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"you might remember a government led by a Mr. GW and the effect his handling of the economy had on interest rates (17% plus). So although not directly linked to the RBA, the gov does have a lot to do with interest rates..."
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Low interest rates are a worldwide phenomena due to the fact that inflation is [after many decades] on the run.
Australia has when compared to other OECD countries has some of the highest interest rates in the world.
The last time interest rates were at the level seen in the UK Winston Churchill was in power.
The fact that the Australian electorate bought the bull**** lie that rates would automatically be higher under a labour government just goes to show how myopic and stupid the electorate is.
The disengenious lie was refuted by every economist that commented on it...........
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******@R5,
your pathetic attempts at creating division within LH crew for the FAAA are getting more and more ridiculous.
If anyone is to blame for the Perth LH base closure it would be the domestic FAAA.
They are the ones who undercut LH by agreeing to do our flying for less.
The fact remains that QF decide how the company is run not the Longhaul FAAA.
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What is it with the domestic union???
Shorthaul will now do ALL international flying out of Perth and yet they won't absorb the LH CSMs into their ranks due to the closure of the base???
The ethics of that group are beyond belief..........
"you might remember a government led by a Mr. GW and the effect his handling of the economy had on interest rates (17% plus). So although not directly linked to the RBA, the gov does have a lot to do with interest rates..."
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Low interest rates are a worldwide phenomena due to the fact that inflation is [after many decades] on the run.
Australia has when compared to other OECD countries has some of the highest interest rates in the world.
The last time interest rates were at the level seen in the UK Winston Churchill was in power.
The fact that the Australian electorate bought the bull**** lie that rates would automatically be higher under a labour government just goes to show how myopic and stupid the electorate is.
The disengenious lie was refuted by every economist that commented on it...........
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******@R5,
your pathetic attempts at creating division within LH crew for the FAAA are getting more and more ridiculous.
If anyone is to blame for the Perth LH base closure it would be the domestic FAAA.
They are the ones who undercut LH by agreeing to do our flying for less.
The fact remains that QF decide how the company is run not the Longhaul FAAA.
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What is it with the domestic union???
Shorthaul will now do ALL international flying out of Perth and yet they won't absorb the LH CSMs into their ranks due to the closure of the base???
The ethics of that group are beyond belief..........
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Not true..economists still argue as to what caused the great depression,if they knew what to do we would live in a great world but they don't.
Fact everytime labour is in our balance of payments goes through the roof,remember the loans fiasco with GW and his ministers
Not true..economists still argue as to what caused the great depression,if they knew what to do we would live in a great world but they don't.
Fact everytime labour is in our balance of payments goes through the roof,remember the loans fiasco with GW and his ministers
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JFK dispensation
LowerLobby thanks for reminding everyone about the JFK dispensation vote. My calls to the faaa always have the same reply "It will be soon, very soon". So is Christmas ! ! And this vote should have been put before the membership by now. Why the delay over something so simple, and so important to the future of Australian Flight Attendants.
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We could go on ad nauseum about politics but the real issue is the company and the IR laws and what can we do about them .
As Front Pit has also said we also need to address the JFK issue .
We could go on ad nauseum about politics but the real issue is the company and the IR laws and what can we do about them .
As Front Pit has also said we also need to address the JFK issue .
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Lowerlobe,
fair enough. I'll leave it alone.
What will it take however for people to realise that politics is the problem AND the solution.....?
I agree, the FAAA do nothing for their credibility by stalling on the JFK issue.
fair enough. I'll leave it alone.
What will it take however for people to realise that politics is the problem AND the solution.....?
I agree, the FAAA do nothing for their credibility by stalling on the JFK issue.
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speedbirdhouse!
its in the interest of the government to keep the people in darkness and confusion, how else do you think they will get elected.
so what will it take? hmmmmm feed them all that crap on TV and make sure they have a good sports programme, make sure australia wins somthing and people wont care!
Ask a hostie a question about federal and state governments and their politics, YOU will be astounded at the answer you get if any!
its in the interest of the government to keep the people in darkness and confusion, how else do you think they will get elected.
so what will it take? hmmmmm feed them all that crap on TV and make sure they have a good sports programme, make sure australia wins somthing and people wont care!
Ask a hostie a question about federal and state governments and their politics, YOU will be astounded at the answer you get if any!
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Do you think long haul crew would have been shafted if short haul and long haul were part of the same union? I dont think so. Remind me again who wanted their own union, long haul I believe and look what happened. If we remained united this could have been avoided or at least dealt with much better.
Once again the short haul FAAA will put an offer to crew to vote on during our EBA which will once again erode long haul and which we wont like but what choice do we have?
Do you think long haul crew would have been shafted if short haul and long haul were part of the same union? I dont think so. Remind me again who wanted their own union, long haul I believe and look what happened. If we remained united this could have been avoided or at least dealt with much better.
Once again the short haul FAAA will put an offer to crew to vote on during our EBA which will once again erode long haul and which we wont like but what choice do we have?
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Galleyhag,
can you find an instance where the Longhaul FAAA have acted against the interests of domestic FA's OR their union?
The fact that they are two different identities acting on behalf of two different groups doesn't make it manditory to act against the interests of each other.
Unless you are the domestic union of course.
Band payments anyone.......?
May I remind you and your brethren that there was NO tit for tat.
The analogy that was recently made about a little girl standing in mums shoes wearing lippy and make up couldn't be more apt.
Once again Longhaul have more to fear from your EBA negotiations than ours.
Oh BTW
Quote- "what can we do about it?"
Demonstrate some decency, vote no and direct your union to act with integrity.
We WOULD ALL better off under one union but only because the domestic union is incapable of acting with decency.
I won't be holding my breath..........
can you find an instance where the Longhaul FAAA have acted against the interests of domestic FA's OR their union?
The fact that they are two different identities acting on behalf of two different groups doesn't make it manditory to act against the interests of each other.
Unless you are the domestic union of course.
Band payments anyone.......?
May I remind you and your brethren that there was NO tit for tat.
The analogy that was recently made about a little girl standing in mums shoes wearing lippy and make up couldn't be more apt.
Once again Longhaul have more to fear from your EBA negotiations than ours.
Oh BTW
Quote- "what can we do about it?"
Demonstrate some decency, vote no and direct your union to act with integrity.
We WOULD ALL better off under one union but only because the domestic union is incapable of acting with decency.
I won't be holding my breath..........
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a matter of perspective
will the per L/H crew who are literally being FORCED to fly short haul - that is 260 hrs per roster if they wish to stay in perth - will they be seen as underminers of SYD L/H conditions?
Likewise those that opt for the LHR option - will they be tarred with the same self rightous, traitorous brush by the faaa?
what I'm hearing is that some very well known names on our SYD base are doing the numbers on moving to Old Blighty now it hasn't fallen on its arse.
Personally I prefer the SYD lifestyle - but good luck to them.
The people I'm really concerned about are those senior crew who have put themselves on the BNE base. Ths company now has you exactly where they want you - in a shunting yard.
After the IR legislation is pushed through and their is no need to offer "a VR package " - it will be announced BNE base is to close - the only two options offered to crew will be
1)transfer to new expanded BNE short haul base flying 246 hrs per roster doing 8-9 day regionals -with no allowances
OR
1)transfer to Jetstar International flying 246 hrs per roster with a 25% reduction in real wages.
The most senior few hundred L/H crew wiped out in one stroke of the pen. Ingeneous.
shouldn't the faaa be discussing these senarios with the membership rather than focusing all their attention on LAX accommodation.
Worrying about?one little hotel at this stage of the game is like re arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Get with the programme boys - the changes the company have in store for us are massive - Per L/H crew are the first casualties of this battle. Good luck guys.
Likewise those that opt for the LHR option - will they be tarred with the same self rightous, traitorous brush by the faaa?
what I'm hearing is that some very well known names on our SYD base are doing the numbers on moving to Old Blighty now it hasn't fallen on its arse.
Personally I prefer the SYD lifestyle - but good luck to them.
The people I'm really concerned about are those senior crew who have put themselves on the BNE base. Ths company now has you exactly where they want you - in a shunting yard.
After the IR legislation is pushed through and their is no need to offer "a VR package " - it will be announced BNE base is to close - the only two options offered to crew will be
1)transfer to new expanded BNE short haul base flying 246 hrs per roster doing 8-9 day regionals -with no allowances
OR
1)transfer to Jetstar International flying 246 hrs per roster with a 25% reduction in real wages.
The most senior few hundred L/H crew wiped out in one stroke of the pen. Ingeneous.
shouldn't the faaa be discussing these senarios with the membership rather than focusing all their attention on LAX accommodation.
Worrying about?one little hotel at this stage of the game is like re arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Get with the programme boys - the changes the company have in store for us are massive - Per L/H crew are the first casualties of this battle. Good luck guys.
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Union history
We had one Union before QF acquired TAA/Australian.What we inherited was a domestic Union comprising of both TAA and Ansett FAs.The longhaul Association was effectively rolled by the weight given to the domestic numbers.
We also had Ansett FAs making decisions regarding longhaul flying.A totally unworkable situation with the three groups having different agendas.There were many of us who wanted a company based union to enable some stability.
Unfortunately Ansett fell over and the domestic(now TAA) association took the opportunity in an attempt to again dictate the agenda.Again unsatisfactory
The domestics have never contemplated compromise and on occasion have even voiced resentment toward longhaul for reasons best known to themselves.
They have attempted to treat longhaul in the same cavalier manner in which they treated Eastern after the TAA acquisition.
History does not view the domestic arm of the Association well.
They have been blindsided by the company due to their arrogant belief in their own infallibilty.
This does not bode wll for the future of both groups.
The industrial relations officer with shorthaul is incompetent and dangerous.
He also has an axe to grind with longhaul who dimissed him over incomptence.
It is this individual who can be connected to a number of failures industrially by both long and shorthaul
We also had Ansett FAs making decisions regarding longhaul flying.A totally unworkable situation with the three groups having different agendas.There were many of us who wanted a company based union to enable some stability.
Unfortunately Ansett fell over and the domestic(now TAA) association took the opportunity in an attempt to again dictate the agenda.Again unsatisfactory
The domestics have never contemplated compromise and on occasion have even voiced resentment toward longhaul for reasons best known to themselves.
They have attempted to treat longhaul in the same cavalier manner in which they treated Eastern after the TAA acquisition.
History does not view the domestic arm of the Association well.
They have been blindsided by the company due to their arrogant belief in their own infallibilty.
This does not bode wll for the future of both groups.
The industrial relations officer with shorthaul is incompetent and dangerous.
He also has an axe to grind with longhaul who dimissed him over incomptence.
It is this individual who can be connected to a number of failures industrially by both long and shorthaul
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Rumour indicates that more people will be needed for BNE LH and that those on the wait list for transfer will be contacted soon.......
As for a few individuals from LH moving to LHR?
I doubt it.
No shortage of those already up there are, "not happy Jan".
If they do..........who cares?
As for a few individuals from LH moving to LHR?
I doubt it.
No shortage of those already up there are, "not happy Jan".
If they do..........who cares?
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where is peanut pusher, Its usually at this time that he pops his head up for some LHR defence.
I hear that sickleave is once again rampant they are so worried about the xmas and new year period, that the Thais have already been told to expect massive roster disruptions and to be sent to LHR for more standby.
( has he been banned? havent seen him for a while)
I hear that sickleave is once again rampant they are so worried about the xmas and new year period, that the Thais have already been told to expect massive roster disruptions and to be sent to LHR for more standby.
( has he been banned? havent seen him for a while)