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Vote is overdue
Some how, I don't think the vote will happen. The FAAA will send out another letter telling us we must concede this to maintain LH flying jobs. If a vote does happen, then what will be the outcome ? The company will ignore the result. FAAA has already given away any positive result. For management to maintain their bonus payments, QCCrew both LH and SH must increase productivity and the unions be more flexible. Regardless of outcome, VDD will continue to show the shareholders and board how much money they can shave of the cost line. BINGO ! More bonus money will be thrown at management. Regardless of a VOTE outcome, the jobs are slowly being erroded. Every new roster , there will be less flying for Sydney LH. Nothing will stop this. The IR reforms will be inplemented. Howard has staked his party's future on it. Labour has not the impetus at present to win any elections, although they should be able to pick up a few marginal seats. Qantas has thrown money at the Liberals in support of IR reforms. The outcome is simple, management will continue to cut costs and try to improve productivity. Under the guise of IR reform, VR will be a handshake and 4 weeks pay(if you are lucky) , there will be no more "Australian accents " heard on Q aircraft. What we must see, is Qantas is not really interested in US, the LH crew from the GOD's. They are biding their time, and looking at the next 5 - 10 years of casual , contract, overseas crew and Asian bases. Plus achieving an even bigger bonus. The Qantas image, Australian crew, even Passengers, all near the bottom of the priority list.
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I can see the point of many posts in this thread, and for those with mortage's etc can well understand the fear of the immediate
future with QF.
But looking at the big picture of global aviation can well see where Dixon is coming from and why he has got to shave some
3 billion dollars just to keep Qantas in the black, with last weeks
rumour that Emirates could start all ecomomy 'Emirates Express' with 800 seat A380's the mind boggles.
The other thing to remember is that Qantas is a public company and like all public companys it's first responsibility is to the shareholders not the employees, after all it is their money and they expect a reasonable return on their investment.
To give Dixon an even bigger headache will be this mornings announcement by Brett Godfrey, on QF's 85th birthday as well.
Tues "Melbourne Age"
Emirates, Virgin join to attack flyer points
November 15, 2005
VIRGIN Blue is poised to launch an attack on Qantas today by revealing a joint frequent flyer scheme with Emirates and an associated credit card.
A Virgin Blue spokeswoman would only say yesterday that chief executive Brett Godfrey would make a "significant announcement" this morning, the day before its annual profit results were released.
But an Emirates representative confirmed that the carriers had joined forces to take on Qantas.
Other industry sources said a new credit card would be launched, possibly in partnership with National Australia Bank, allowing customers to accumulate frequent flyer points.
It could mean Virgin Blue will start to make serious inroads into the business travel market after a year of being squeezed between Qantas and Jetstar.
"I think a loyalty program for Virgin is generally a good thing for corporate Australia," said Robert Dell, commercial director of Flight Centre's corporate travel arm, FCM Travel Solutions.
The deal with Emirates will make Virgin Blue's frequent flyer program attractive to business travellers who can use points earned on domestic flights towards trips to destinations such as London and Dubai.
Additionally, Virgin Blue already has codeshare arrangements with Virgin Atlantic and United Airlines.
In June, a Virgin Group representative told The Age that its codeshare program would lead to shared frequent flyer points once Virgin Blue's loyalty program was launched. This would add Hong Kong to the list of frequent flyer destinations, and US destinations could be added through United.
But the deal with Emirates could prove a negative for Virgin Blue in one respect: Singapore Airlines said yesterday it had no plans to join the loyalty program any time soon.
Singapore Airlines spokesman Stephen Forshaw said it ended a frequent flyer alliance with Emirates last year and considered the Dubai-based airline a competitor rather than a friend.
Virgin Blue shares closed 5¢ higher at $1.60 yesterday.
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future with QF.
But looking at the big picture of global aviation can well see where Dixon is coming from and why he has got to shave some
3 billion dollars just to keep Qantas in the black, with last weeks
rumour that Emirates could start all ecomomy 'Emirates Express' with 800 seat A380's the mind boggles.
The other thing to remember is that Qantas is a public company and like all public companys it's first responsibility is to the shareholders not the employees, after all it is their money and they expect a reasonable return on their investment.
To give Dixon an even bigger headache will be this mornings announcement by Brett Godfrey, on QF's 85th birthday as well.
Tues "Melbourne Age"
Emirates, Virgin join to attack flyer points
November 15, 2005
VIRGIN Blue is poised to launch an attack on Qantas today by revealing a joint frequent flyer scheme with Emirates and an associated credit card.
A Virgin Blue spokeswoman would only say yesterday that chief executive Brett Godfrey would make a "significant announcement" this morning, the day before its annual profit results were released.
But an Emirates representative confirmed that the carriers had joined forces to take on Qantas.
Other industry sources said a new credit card would be launched, possibly in partnership with National Australia Bank, allowing customers to accumulate frequent flyer points.
It could mean Virgin Blue will start to make serious inroads into the business travel market after a year of being squeezed between Qantas and Jetstar.
"I think a loyalty program for Virgin is generally a good thing for corporate Australia," said Robert Dell, commercial director of Flight Centre's corporate travel arm, FCM Travel Solutions.
The deal with Emirates will make Virgin Blue's frequent flyer program attractive to business travellers who can use points earned on domestic flights towards trips to destinations such as London and Dubai.
Additionally, Virgin Blue already has codeshare arrangements with Virgin Atlantic and United Airlines.
In June, a Virgin Group representative told The Age that its codeshare program would lead to shared frequent flyer points once Virgin Blue's loyalty program was launched. This would add Hong Kong to the list of frequent flyer destinations, and US destinations could be added through United.
But the deal with Emirates could prove a negative for Virgin Blue in one respect: Singapore Airlines said yesterday it had no plans to join the loyalty program any time soon.
Singapore Airlines spokesman Stephen Forshaw said it ended a frequent flyer alliance with Emirates last year and considered the Dubai-based airline a competitor rather than a friend.
Virgin Blue shares closed 5¢ higher at $1.60 yesterday.
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I’m not sure if you work within QF but some of your assertions are flawed .Yes, public companies are responsible to their shareholders however; QF is making record profits and given the number of aircraft we operate is arguably the most profitable airline in the world, especially when most other airlines are making a loss.
There are a lot of execs on other boards who would love to be on the QF board and be able to claim responsibility for our profit .The big picture of global aviation as you put it is full of airlines that are inefficient and have poor strategies, this is not the case at Qantas.
I’m sure that if Emirates were to offer a 800 seat all Y/C A380 on long haul sectors pax would fly once and vow never again .If it was feasible to operate a 800 seat version then our esteemed leader would have done so, in fact the Qantas A380 has just under 500 seats. Qantas will be squeezing as many seats as it can into any aircraft it gets.
The arguments here are about the way QF works with its employees or more correctly the fact that it does not. Regardless of the fact that we are making record profits the company is continually chipping away at its employees conditions while at the same time giving bonus’s to the few. If a company decides that its employees are its greatest asset and works with them then with a reasonable strategy it will flourish. Qantas could be so much greater if it only worked with us instead of the opposite.
I do not understand the logic in your statement that GD has to shave 3 billion to keep QF in the black If QF was making a loss, then by all means it would have to put in place a series of cost cutting measures but we are not. It does not take a lot of skill to slash costs, just a thick skin however, it does take skill to motivate your employees, design new products and implement them and that is something that has been lacking from the QF board for some time
VB has been known to be opportunistic when making announcements before and this one our 85 th birthday is probably another one.
I’m not sure if you work within QF but some of your assertions are flawed .Yes, public companies are responsible to their shareholders however; QF is making record profits and given the number of aircraft we operate is arguably the most profitable airline in the world, especially when most other airlines are making a loss.
There are a lot of execs on other boards who would love to be on the QF board and be able to claim responsibility for our profit .The big picture of global aviation as you put it is full of airlines that are inefficient and have poor strategies, this is not the case at Qantas.
I’m sure that if Emirates were to offer a 800 seat all Y/C A380 on long haul sectors pax would fly once and vow never again .If it was feasible to operate a 800 seat version then our esteemed leader would have done so, in fact the Qantas A380 has just under 500 seats. Qantas will be squeezing as many seats as it can into any aircraft it gets.
The arguments here are about the way QF works with its employees or more correctly the fact that it does not. Regardless of the fact that we are making record profits the company is continually chipping away at its employees conditions while at the same time giving bonus’s to the few. If a company decides that its employees are its greatest asset and works with them then with a reasonable strategy it will flourish. Qantas could be so much greater if it only worked with us instead of the opposite.
I do not understand the logic in your statement that GD has to shave 3 billion to keep QF in the black If QF was making a loss, then by all means it would have to put in place a series of cost cutting measures but we are not. It does not take a lot of skill to slash costs, just a thick skin however, it does take skill to motivate your employees, design new products and implement them and that is something that has been lacking from the QF board for some time
VB has been known to be opportunistic when making announcements before and this one our 85 th birthday is probably another one.
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Any news on MEL Recruitment???
I have registered with MAM and on Staffcv and have heard NOTHING, I'm startnig to get really disheartened...
Anyone have any information on recruitment for MEL?
TIA, Lizzie xx
Anyone have any information on recruitment for MEL?
TIA, Lizzie xx
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".....those with mortage's etc can well understand the fear of the immediate future with QF."
Yes, definitely concern, but more the long term future.
The whole strategy of the current management is to strip as much as possible from QF in bonus payments before their tenure is up. They strive to set up a low cost structure all the while cutting the heart and soul out of the Qantas "character". Do they care ? NO !
If they can show the "shareholders" a cost saving thus giving approval for more "bonus payments", it will be done.
The public and shareholders are totally in the dark about what is happening to the actual workers of Q. Only "WE" the crew are aware of the sad future that Qantas faces in the next years.
Went into the city yesterday, yes it was a moving show of "public concern" . But as far as achieving more , I have my doubts.
Can the FAAA do anything of consequence. Not really. Not altogether their fault, it's just the "nature of the beast" and as the new IR rules take effect, the FAAA will be even more powerless. Yes I am a FAAA member always vote on every aspect.
But the VDD is playing "big boy " games. It's a big ego trip for him, mixing with the political decision makers here and overseas, buying aircraft and setting up bases, just like we play a game of "Monopoly" at home with the kids. He does not even consider the future of Australian workers. They are just another obstacle to crush and reap more management bonus payments.
We keep being told "WE" are the face of Qantas and should be proud of our role in Qantas. Unfortunately the care factor and pride of what Qantas represents falls away steeply when it comes to the current management.
Yes, definitely concern, but more the long term future.
The whole strategy of the current management is to strip as much as possible from QF in bonus payments before their tenure is up. They strive to set up a low cost structure all the while cutting the heart and soul out of the Qantas "character". Do they care ? NO !
If they can show the "shareholders" a cost saving thus giving approval for more "bonus payments", it will be done.
The public and shareholders are totally in the dark about what is happening to the actual workers of Q. Only "WE" the crew are aware of the sad future that Qantas faces in the next years.
Went into the city yesterday, yes it was a moving show of "public concern" . But as far as achieving more , I have my doubts.
Can the FAAA do anything of consequence. Not really. Not altogether their fault, it's just the "nature of the beast" and as the new IR rules take effect, the FAAA will be even more powerless. Yes I am a FAAA member always vote on every aspect.
But the VDD is playing "big boy " games. It's a big ego trip for him, mixing with the political decision makers here and overseas, buying aircraft and setting up bases, just like we play a game of "Monopoly" at home with the kids. He does not even consider the future of Australian workers. They are just another obstacle to crush and reap more management bonus payments.
We keep being told "WE" are the face of Qantas and should be proud of our role in Qantas. Unfortunately the care factor and pride of what Qantas represents falls away steeply when it comes to the current management.
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For those wondering what some tech crew think of cabin crew here are some quotes from the tech crew web site regarding the faaa taking the matter of the area around the Bonaventure in downtown LA to arbitration .
1:A warning on the cheering of the FAAA:
Prediction: if they win this case the crew hotel will be the Hilton Anaheim. The FAAA readily accepted this hotel until Flt Ops and AIPA (Woody) intervened to achieve Pasadena.
These clowns haven't won a hotel fight yet!
2:I hope the tactics employed by the FAAA will see their members punted to Anaheim and leave us in the Bonaventure where we could finally be separated from them. Then the next time a hotel contract comes up we could negotiate a more suitable hotel without being lobbed in with the cabin crew.
Tech crew would be wise to refrain from criticizing the Bonaventure and accept it. "No Sir - the Tech crew think the Bonaventure is adequate for our needs. It is the Flight Attendants that think the hotel is unacceptable and now want to move to Anaheim, please allow them to do so - thank you Sir"
I wouldn't mind moving back to Long Beach. There has been siginficant development in that area since we left, and it is quite pleasant with more shopping, restaurants, etc. Alternatively, back to Pasadena would be just as good.
In any case, I always said we would rue the day we left San Pedro!
1:A warning on the cheering of the FAAA:
Prediction: if they win this case the crew hotel will be the Hilton Anaheim. The FAAA readily accepted this hotel until Flt Ops and AIPA (Woody) intervened to achieve Pasadena.
These clowns haven't won a hotel fight yet!
2:I hope the tactics employed by the FAAA will see their members punted to Anaheim and leave us in the Bonaventure where we could finally be separated from them. Then the next time a hotel contract comes up we could negotiate a more suitable hotel without being lobbed in with the cabin crew.
Tech crew would be wise to refrain from criticizing the Bonaventure and accept it. "No Sir - the Tech crew think the Bonaventure is adequate for our needs. It is the Flight Attendants that think the hotel is unacceptable and now want to move to Anaheim, please allow them to do so - thank you Sir"
I wouldn't mind moving back to Long Beach. There has been siginficant development in that area since we left, and it is quite pleasant with more shopping, restaurants, etc. Alternatively, back to Pasadena would be just as good.
In any case, I always said we would rue the day we left San Pedro!
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hey lowerlobe
SInce when have cabin crew cared about what the jet jockeys think! I must admit though they have a point!
If we loose this then we will be heading back to anaheim! the upside is that we dont have to share transport with them.
SInce when have cabin crew cared about what the jet jockeys think! I must admit though they have a point!
If we loose this then we will be heading back to anaheim! the upside is that we dont have to share transport with them.
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I too could not care less what the nigels think of us but thought it made for interesting reading...
there was another one where one techy was upset that QF staff on lower pay and therefore a lower tax rate would get more after tax from the $1000 bonus than they did....sort of tells us what we have always known about them
I too could not care less what the nigels think of us but thought it made for interesting reading...
there was another one where one techy was upset that QF staff on lower pay and therefore a lower tax rate would get more after tax from the $1000 bonus than they did....sort of tells us what we have always known about them
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Great news, congratulations to all those regional crew off to Perth.
FAAA Domestic/ Regional Division
16 November 2005
Attention all Jetstar, Eastern and Sunstate Members
Following extensive negotiations between your Association and Qantas Airways, we
are pleased to advise the following.
* The progression of 32 Flight Attendants to Qantas Short Haul
* The total of 32 includes 16 Jetstar, 10 Eastern and 6 Sunstate
* All positions will be based in Perth
* Training is expected to commence in January 2006
* Members eligible for progression will be contacted by Qantas shortly
FAAA Domestic/ Regional Division
16 November 2005
Attention all Jetstar, Eastern and Sunstate Members
Following extensive negotiations between your Association and Qantas Airways, we
are pleased to advise the following.
* The progression of 32 Flight Attendants to Qantas Short Haul
* The total of 32 includes 16 Jetstar, 10 Eastern and 6 Sunstate
* All positions will be based in Perth
* Training is expected to commence in January 2006
* Members eligible for progression will be contacted by Qantas shortly
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it just makes you wonder doesnt it lowerlobe,they will begrudge the extra 10c, unbelievable....... and on another note, can you believe eastern congratulating regional crew on canabalising the perth base from L/haul.
I think of all the things that I have read on here this really is the icing on the cake, he is happy about it!
Eastern, think about what you wrote!
Do you have no feelings whatsoever for the people that have just had to leave perth and relocate.
Karma, eastern, just Karma, thats all I have to say!
I think of all the things that I have read on here this really is the icing on the cake, he is happy about it!
Eastern, think about what you wrote!
Do you have no feelings whatsoever for the people that have just had to leave perth and relocate.
Karma, eastern, just Karma, thats all I have to say!
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Of course im not happy about the long haul base closing, im happy that people are able to move on with their careers from a regional carrier into short haul the base is not relevant. If you had ever had to work in one you would know why i am congratulating them.
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Yes easternboy heaven forbid if you say anything positive in this forum!
Great news for those regional crew progressing, though how convenient that it has come up right at EAA EBA negotiations.. surely this is just as coincidental as it was the last time progression occured
On a different note.. my sincerest comisserations to those affected by the LH PER base closure, am hoping that you all find a solution that satisfies you. PER LH was a great base and I'm very sorry to think that the company will lose some good people from there. LH PER based crew are notoriously fabulous
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Great news for those regional crew progressing, though how convenient that it has come up right at EAA EBA negotiations.. surely this is just as coincidental as it was the last time progression occured
On a different note.. my sincerest comisserations to those affected by the LH PER base closure, am hoping that you all find a solution that satisfies you. PER LH was a great base and I'm very sorry to think that the company will lose some good people from there. LH PER based crew are notoriously fabulous
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A quote from Mr Burns of the Simpsons
“I'll keep it short and sweet -- Family. Religion. Friendship. These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business.”
Does this sound like another persons style we know….?????
“I'll keep it short and sweet -- Family. Religion. Friendship. These are the three demons you must slay if you wish to succeed in business.”
Does this sound like another persons style we know….?????
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Are Qantas looking for experience or looks?
Has anyone over the age of fourty got a job as cabin crew with Qantas? Did I waste my time spending 14 hours filling in the on line application, please someone put me out of my missery! I completed the whole form nearly two months ago and have had no reply, a young girl I know 23 years old never flown before, filled out her name, age, email address and lost heart at prospect of having to do a nvq in computer studies just to finish the application, sent it off as it was, you tell me, 5% finished?
Yes you've guessed it she's on her training course now.
Yes you've guessed it she's on her training course now.
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HAPPY 85TH !!!
Walked onto QCC/1 todayafter a 12 hr sector..........my god , balloons, jelly beans, and cake ........whoooooo hooooooo.
The Visitors ( read Clowns) were pressing the flesh trying to enthuse the "cynical".
I;m sorry-I cannot PARTAKE. (" never inhaled ")
After walking against the new WORK CHOICES yesterday.
QCC/1 looks like the Eastern Front.
United we stand.....................................
The Visitors ( read Clowns) were pressing the flesh trying to enthuse the "cynical".
I;m sorry-I cannot PARTAKE. (" never inhaled ")
After walking against the new WORK CHOICES yesterday.
QCC/1 looks like the Eastern Front.
United we stand.....................................
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Cool, lets turn this into a war of words between the tech and cabin crew because maybe it has become a bit boring of late (need a new topic to spice things up). But then again, lets not take the bait as it has become apparent that some posters here possibly represent other interests (ie. the link to this forum has recently been sent to a couple of corporate world people whose business accounts are trying to be enticed by other carriers with the explanation to look at how immature QF crew are).
If you think you are raising public awareness, the emails going around a couple of companies in town with jokes regarding the content of some of these threads makes me realise that the behaviour displayed on here is not winning any sympathy, but rather doing all QF employees a disservice - making us look like fools.
But then again, maybe we could respond to the Bonaventure issue and keep the theme of this thread alive with petty mud slinging to and fro.
If you think you are raising public awareness, the emails going around a couple of companies in town with jokes regarding the content of some of these threads makes me realise that the behaviour displayed on here is not winning any sympathy, but rather doing all QF employees a disservice - making us look like fools.
But then again, maybe we could respond to the Bonaventure issue and keep the theme of this thread alive with petty mud slinging to and fro.
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BIG BARRELS....
"maybe we could respond to the Bonaventure issue and keep the theme of this thread alive with petty mud slinging to and fro."
I take it that you are tech crew then.?????????????????
"maybe we could respond to the Bonaventure issue and keep the theme of this thread alive with petty mud slinging to and fro."
I take it that you are tech crew then.?????????????????
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Progression to Shorthaul
Here ya go Kids,
Some interesting news.....
Quote:
16 November 2005
Attention all Jetstar, Eastern and Sunstate Members
Following extensive negotiations between your Association and Qantas Airways, we are pleased to
advise the following.
* The progression of 32 Flight Attendants to Qantas Short Haul
* The total of 32 includes 16 Jetstar, 10 Eastern and 6 Sunstate
* All positions will be based in Perth
* Training is expected to commence in January 2006
* Members eligible for progression will be contacted by Qantas shortly
Regards.
Some interesting news.....
Quote:
16 November 2005
Attention all Jetstar, Eastern and Sunstate Members
Following extensive negotiations between your Association and Qantas Airways, we are pleased to
advise the following.
* The progression of 32 Flight Attendants to Qantas Short Haul
* The total of 32 includes 16 Jetstar, 10 Eastern and 6 Sunstate
* All positions will be based in Perth
* Training is expected to commence in January 2006
* Members eligible for progression will be contacted by Qantas shortly
Regards.